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Thread started 06/28/07 12:53pm

icke4presidant

Little Red corvette on ULTIMATE sounds superior

The remastering really cleaned up the distortion considerably. I wasn't happy with the remastering overall but the tracks from 1999 are way better especially the dance mix.

Imagine the full 1999 album remastered where we can actually hear automatic razz biggrin
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Reply #1 posted 06/28/07 1:05pm

Imago

I would love to hear a remaster of those albums like the boots that floated around a few years back of SOTT and so forth.
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Reply #2 posted 06/28/07 6:33pm

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The distortion is gone, but I can hear the compression - big time
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Reply #3 posted 06/28/07 7:07pm

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Imago said:

I would love to hear a remaster of those albums like the boots that floated around a few years back of SOTT and so forth.

Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks
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Reply #4 posted 06/29/07 2:55am

wlcm2thdwn

I'm not as happy with Ultimate as I thought I would be confused
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Reply #5 posted 06/29/07 3:00am

icke4presidant

FlamingRaindrop said:

Imago said:

I would love to hear a remaster of those albums like the boots that floated around a few years back of SOTT and so forth.

Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


How can it be remastered without the tapes?
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Reply #6 posted 06/29/07 3:01am

icke4presidant

paisley2002 said:

The distortion is gone, but I can hear the compression - big time


yeah i agree they squashed it too much
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Reply #7 posted 06/29/07 5:10am

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icke4presidant said:

FlamingRaindrop said:


Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


How can it be remastered without the tapes?

Dunno, 9 of the tracks floated my way and the quality was way superior to the album cd version - they were comparable to Ultimate quality - pity i couldn't get the other 7
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Reply #8 posted 06/29/07 5:23am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

icke4presidant said:



How can it be remastered without the tapes?

Dunno, 9 of the tracks floated my way and the quality was way superior to the album cd version - they were comparable to Ultimate quality - pity i couldn't get the other 7


I'm sure it was just from a fan release.
No hard feelings.
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Reply #9 posted 06/29/07 6:29am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

Imago said:

I would love to hear a remaster of those albums like the boots that floated around a few years back of SOTT and so forth.

Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.
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Reply #10 posted 06/29/07 7:31am

icke4presidant

SquirrelMeat said:

FlamingRaindrop said:


Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.


Yes becuase prince has the master tapes and WB have the copies

now if copies were made from them copies a fan could remaster them but of course that would be illegal biggrin
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Reply #11 posted 06/29/07 11:23am

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icke4presidant said:

The remastering really cleaned up the distortion considerably. I wasn't happy with the remastering overall but the tracks from 1999 are way better especially the dance mix.

Imagine the full 1999 album remastered where we can actually hear automatic razz biggrin

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Reply #12 posted 06/29/07 11:25am

MikeMatronik

Is it true that Ultimate is not remastered?
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Reply #13 posted 06/29/07 1:07pm

icke4presidant

MikeMatronik said:

Is it true that Ultimate is not remastered?


Are you not following?

The compilation is remastered. It's far more compressed and MUCH louder in some cases
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Reply #14 posted 06/29/07 2:55pm

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MikeMatronik said:

Is it true that Ultimate is not remastered?


Ultimate WAS remastered (in the true sense of the word... not in the way that
a lot of fans seem to think it means).
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Reply #15 posted 06/29/07 2:57pm

MikeMatronik

BorisFishpaw said:

MikeMatronik said:

Is it true that Ultimate is not remastered?


Ultimate WAS remastered (in the true sense of the word... not in the way that
a lot of fans seem to think it means).


I'm confused...Can you explain that please?
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Reply #16 posted 06/29/07 11:30pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

FlamingRaindrop said:


Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.


Okay, cool. Far, far superior sound from those than the official cd - that's sad in many ways. How is this done? I wouldn't mind knowing so i could revamp my entire 80's prince catalog.
cheers
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Reply #17 posted 06/30/07 1:51am

MikeMatronik

FlamingRaindrop said:

SquirrelMeat said:



They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.


Okay, cool. Far, far superior sound from those than the official cd - that's sad in many ways. How is this done? I wouldn't mind knowing so i could revamp my entire 80's prince catalog.
cheers


Well I use a freeware software named Audacity.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
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Reply #18 posted 06/30/07 1:57am

BorisFishpaw

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MikeMatronik said:

BorisFishpaw said:



Ultimate WAS remastered (in the true sense of the word... not in the way that
a lot of fans seem to think it means).


I'm confused...Can you explain that please?


Most preople seem to think that "Remastering" means going back to the
original 24 track mastertapes and re-doing the mix from scratch. This is not
true. This would be called "Remixing".

"Mastering" and "Remastering" is the final phase of transfer from the
completed 2-track Stereo Master to the finished product. It does NOT
require access to the original 24 track tapes, only the 2 track Masters.

Of course there have been several high-profile reamasters which have
involved a "remix" as well, but that is not what the term "remaster"
means, and it's not what happens in the vast majority of CD remasters
that are released.
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Reply #19 posted 06/30/07 2:23am

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BorisFishpaw said:

MikeMatronik said:



I'm confused...Can you explain that please?


Most preople seem to think that "Remastering" means going back to the
original 24 track mastertapes and re-doing the mix from scratch. This is not
true. This would be called "Remixing".

"Mastering" and "Remastering" is the final phase of transfer from the
completed 2-track Stereo Master to the finished product. It does NOT
require access to the original 24 track tapes, only the 2 track Masters.

Of course there have been several high-profile reamasters which have
involved a "remix" as well, but that is not what the term "remaster"
means, and it's not what happens in the vast majority of CD remasters
that are released.


Yes & No, Remixing and Remastering go hand in hand these days...
Because of the digital realm
Remastered could also mean converting the 24 track master tapes into digital audio
Remixing them and Then remastering them digitally etc...
than going to a double track remastering session for the finishing touches

This wasn't done with ultimate,
as you said they did a remaster in the traditional sense... but its really not a remaster...
they fixed up the EQs and the volumes and probably added some gates and compression to kill the distortion
clinically anybody can do this with their music catalogue witha K'd version of Peak...
etc
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Reply #20 posted 06/30/07 4:34am

BorisFishpaw

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There is no "yes & no" on the subject.
What I stated earlier wasn't an opinion... it was a FACT.

I know that Remastering and Remixing often go hand in hand, but there's
still a big difference between the two. Just because something hasn't been
remixed from the 24-track tapes doesn't mean that it isn't a "Remaster". If it's
been remastered from the original 2-track stereo master, then it has been
"Remastered"... end of argument, because that's what "remastering" means.

This is the point I'm trying to get across here. This ISN'T a matter of opinion
about what some people may or may not think a "remaster" involves. It's a
matter of FACT. There is no "yeah, but..." on the subject. Unfortunately,
there seems to be a lot of confusion in the public domain about what
constitutes a "remaster" because on the whole they're comparitively new
to the term. However, there is NO confusion as to it's meaning in the Music
Business, and it's meaning hasn't changed due to public misconception.
[Edited 6/30/07 4:39am]
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Reply #21 posted 06/30/07 7:22am

icke4presidant

BorisFishpaw said:

There is no "yes & no" on the subject.
What I stated earlier wasn't an opinion... it was a FACT.

I know that Remastering and Remixing often go hand in hand, but there's
still a big difference between the two. Just because something hasn't been
remixed from the 24-track tapes doesn't mean that it isn't a "Remaster". If it's
been remastered from the original 2-track stereo master, then it has been
"Remastered"... end of argument, because that's what "remastering" means.

This is the point I'm trying to get across here. This ISN'T a matter of opinion
about what some people may or may not think a "remaster" involves. It's a
matter of FACT. There is no "yeah, but..." on the subject. Unfortunately,
there seems to be a lot of confusion in the public domain about what
constitutes a "remaster" because on the whole they're comparitively new
to the term. However, there is NO confusion as to it's meaning in the Music
Business, and it's meaning hasn't changed due to public misconception.
[Edited 6/30/07 4:39am]


yes mixing happens BEFORE mastering; THEY ARE NOT THE SAME

ULTIMATE is remastered from tape copies
[Edited 6/30/07 8:14am]
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Reply #22 posted 06/30/07 7:51am

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SquirrelMeat said:

FlamingRaindrop said:


Was the whole of Sign O The Times remastered? Damn i only got 9 of the tracks


They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.


not if you look at the wave files graphically!
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Reply #23 posted 06/30/07 8:15am

icke4presidant

ufoclub said:

SquirrelMeat said:



They weren't remastered. That was simply a fan messing with the volume and eq.


not if you look at the wave files graphically!


PLEASE post the wave files
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Reply #24 posted 06/30/07 8:25am

ufoclub

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icke4presidant said:

ufoclub said:



not if you look at the wave files graphically!


PLEASE post the wave files


for ultimate or for the fan remastering? With the fan remastering, I meant that it was much more than just EQ and volume tweaking that was done. If it's the one I'm thinking of, there was a reference sound to try to reach, there was two passes of multiband compression, and there was testing in different environments like the home and the car.

Here's the Ultimate comparison:

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Reply #25 posted 06/30/07 9:17am

icke4presidant

ufoclub said:

icke4presidant said:



PLEASE post the wave files


for ultimate or for the fan remastering? With the fan remastering, I meant that it was much more than just EQ and volume tweaking that was done. If it's the one I'm thinking of, there was a reference sound to try to reach, there was two passes of multiband compression, and there was testing in different environments like the home and the car.

Here's the Ultimate comparison:



what song is that?
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Reply #26 posted 06/30/07 9:18am

ufoclub

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icke4presidant said:

ufoclub said:



for ultimate or for the fan remastering? With the fan remastering, I meant that it was much more than just EQ and volume tweaking that was done. If it's the one I'm thinking of, there was a reference sound to try to reach, there was two passes of multiband compression, and there was testing in different environments like the home and the car.

Here's the Ultimate comparison:



what song is that?


1999
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Reply #27 posted 06/30/07 12:23pm

icke4presidant

ufoclub said:

icke4presidant said:



what song is that?


1999


what do you think of the sound? too compressed or o.k?

overall they are easily better then the orignals i think.
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Reply #28 posted 06/30/07 12:49pm

ufoclub

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icke4presidant said:

ufoclub said:



1999


what do you think of the sound? too compressed or o.k?

overall they are easily better then the orignals i think.


I think it sounds okay. I think it was a relatively conservative remastering.
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Reply #29 posted 07/01/07 2:53am

icke4presidant

ufoclub said:

icke4presidant said:



what do you think of the sound? too compressed or o.k?

overall they are easily better then the orignals i think.


I think it sounds okay. I think it was a relatively conservative remastering.


what aabout let's work? That sounds really squashed and loud
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