I've been quite surprised at how venemously opposed many people have been about the "spiritual Prince" here in the "org" (anyone recall how the "fangs" came out when he [i]mentioned studying the Bible?). i was like DAG! [/i]just wanted to say for those of that ilk, BEWARE of Planet Earth.

i'm not an insider by far, but i strongly predict that it will feature the spiritual Prince. not the sex crazed, funk "rebel". i think it will be a continuation of themes on TRC and 3121 with Prince as a mature seeker, who now talks tongue in cheek about sex in the context of a committed relationship or as a forbidden temptation he can't have (ie. Lolita) or in the third person. The funk isn't DARK anymore or rooted in a libidinous aesthetic but rather say, a "celebratory" spiritual funk a la Lovesexy. Song titles like Revelation, Lion of Judah and probably P.E. itself lend themselves to deeper, spiritual content. (i know someone mentioned hearing Somewhere Here on Earth b4, please repost your thoughts or lyrics for that song)

i know there's a difference in being spiritual vs. religious, but for many there is often a "specific practice" associated with their spirituality. for him that's the JWs right now. (i admit i AM mad at that; but...) i think he's fallen short of being dogmatic and i expect him to do so again on P.E. but i expect his specificity to be mistaken FOR dogma yet again by many and for different reasons, one of which is they PREFER the "carnal one dimensional Prince" as opposed to appreciating the privilege of watching/hearing a man artistically express his personal, spiritual growth and learn from NOT feeling compelled to separate the sexual and spiritual (a false dichotomy that has ensnared MANY artists such as Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, etc.) and everything in btwn but instead express them as multiple aspects of a WHOLE person, but in his case finally letting the big "head" leadthe way and predominate.

i like his ranty songs, even if i don't agree with the rants. i like when he goes stream of consciousness and blurts out all his agendas and opinions and conspiracy theories and whatnot. it's crazy and honest and passionate, even if it's weird and sometimes misguided. it feels real, and it's fun trying to figure out what his crazy ass is on about...

Anxiety said:

exactly. stuff like "magnificent" or the beginning of "te amo corazon"


2 a time b4 time began, b4 eye was a woman and b4 u were a man



42,000 ft above the sea that's where u and eye 1st came 2 b
from the dust of the earth and the knowledge tree

i mean, wtf?



i love those kind of lines.

datdude said:

It will be funny if your proven absolutely wrong!! You would look like a fool. But if you are proven right. KUDOS to you SIR!

vinx98 said:

nah, because at least datdude isn't claiming any inside information. just speculating. i can respect that, even if he turns out to be wrong.

vinx98 said:

if he's proven wrong i will be kind of sad because i don't really like
prince's shallow relationship efforts these days, or party songs that
sound like "life of the party" or "incense and candles"

give me some "magnificent" or "one song" lyrics over those any day

that would be cool for me if i was wrong. it'd mean another curveball, i LOVE curveballs!

I think the Rainbow Children would disagree with you on that.

what line or lines in which song or songs on TRC would you characterize as dogmatic?

datdude said:

Are you kidding? The American Heritage Dictionary on my desk defines dogma as "A principle, believe or statement of idea or opinion, esp. one authoritatively considered to be absolute truth." By that definition, it'd be easier to find the stuff on TRC that isn't dogma.

But I'll give you just one (very easy) example: "Accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father will bring the Everlasting Now." This insinuates that non-JW teachings are not accurate and asserts the JW "end times" teachings as absolute truth. That's some tall dogma there.

good point genesia. i disagree with a lot of the teachings of JWs and have had many convos. with them when they've knocked on my door and i guess i don't consider "misinformation" dogma because when i've engaged them, many have reconsidered a certain perspective based on "new information". i think an unwilligness to consider another point of view, within certain agreed upon realms of real time conversation with another human being is dogmatic. so with P, we only get his side of the convo. and i think he's misguided on some things, but yet passionate in his proclamation. one must keep in mind that relativity and absolutes are both absolutes for those who ascribe to their respective premises so at some point people will disagree, but hopefully agreeably

datdude said:

Thank you! I totally agree with you. Just allow the man to experience life and express himself through the music...Prince's music is so healing!

bottom line. try not 2 b so close minded on views. no one has the true answer no matter what they say.

datdude said:

OKAY but i have heard the "SPIRITUAL GROWTH" "IM GROWING AS A INDIVIDUAL" BULLSHIT LINES from men so many times i look at them and say oh sorry i thought we were just going to fuck then they change there tune and i am out of there

This thread brings up some bad memories.
Whenever I got spiritual in P.E.,
I always ended up getting my ass kicked.

It was kinda like my own personal "The Passion Of The Illustrator".

HQ said it best.

datdude said:

I'm sure there'll be a few spiritual songs on it. There always are two or 3. But I don't really think it's going to be any more than usual, judging by Guitar and titles Future Baby Mama, Chelsea Rodgers and The One U Wanna C and such.
[Edited 6/21/07 19:39pm]

MsLegs said:

I only hope hes clear on who would do this.

you're probably right JA and i hope so. balance is good. but all it takes is ONE spiritual song for the vampires to come out and talk about it as the low point on the album, how P. needs to shut up already, etc.

datdude said:

that's what you get with a site with a population as big as this one. there's always going to be someone very happy or very pissed off about every single thing.

I think you are right -
judging by some of
the song titles we will see more
Spiritual Themed Prince Music on PE
than on 3121 and Musicology.
That may be a very good thing
since that seems to be where
his passion lays these days.

MsLegs said:

So wrong!!!

Krystal666 said:

Blame one of HQers, I'm just a messenger.

MsLegs said:

I think it was the case in 98-2002 but that this phase is fortunately over now.

jn2 said:

Does it matter Jn2. Damage to lives and parties involved is already done.
[Edited 6/22/07 2:59am]

Spiritual?

No human being is more spiritual than another; that's impossible. Believing in god or a cult does not make someone 'spiritual'. WE ALL are infinate conscieness. Every human has a spirit
[Edited 6/22/07 3:10am]

Is "Spiritual Prince" something like "Relationship George" ?

coolcat said:

coolcat said:

Worlds colliding!

Planet Earth has nothing to do with Jehovah. This'll be one pagan mofo of an album!!!

maybe.

with Al Gore as Tony M. Nice one.
[Edited 6/22/07 4:50am]