lovemachine said:

agreed. its not the same.

Well it's gotta be Larry, honestly. The frickin' "shove-me-a-watchtower" Larry Graham.

ladies and gentlemen, it must be Miles Dewey Davis III. miles and prince did record and perform together several times. i also have live records as well as videos with miles from 89, 90, 91 with prince songs on ("movie star", "penetration", "the senate", etc). miles davis' wrote a tune called "full nelson" which hints to his friendhip with prince as well, i can remend everybody to listen to miles davis (anything by him, just simply anything!) - or check out some books on the subject, e.g. miles' autobiography where he praises prince over several pages...

jalokin said:

I'm quite certain that Prince and Miles only played publicly together one time and this was on December 31, 1987. As for the songs you mentioned...those are the songs that Prince gave to Miles to "blow on top of".


I'm also quite certain that they never recorded together in the same studio.


Prince and Miles did have some sort of friendship and they definately spoke highly of each other. Prince has a painting done by Miles hanging in the game room (I think) at Paisley Park.





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...and btw prince and miles DID record together in paisley park studios, check out the extensive miles davis discography by jan lohmann, "The sound of Miles Davis: the discography : a listing of records and tapes 1945-1991" (JazzMedia Press, 1992).

jalokin said:

It's funny that it's not mentioned in DMSR or any of the Prince books. The story that is told is that Miles came to the studio and Prince played him the songs and Miles walked up to the speakers and recorded them with a little tape recorder.

You could be right but I wonder why none of the Prince researchers know of this.

The entity of Wendy and Lisa.


And I'm sorry but Larry Graham is a one trick pony, sure he thumped the bass first, but I'm sure someone else would have if he hadn't. And any real musician would constantly strive to master their instrument and grow musically. Take away Larry's fuzzbox and the constant thumping you don't have a thing left. I think Rhonda is 100 times better, she can do what Larry does on bass, but could Larry play the bass solo from "Dreamin About U"? I DOUBT IT!!

All the greats:

Tony M
Kirky J
Damon Dickinson
Scrap D
Steppa Ranks (or whatever his name was)
Robin Power
Carmen Electra (although she is fit, so she can be excused)
Ingrid Chavez



On a more serious note, my vote goes to Mr Larry Graham

lovemachine said:

in his autobiography miles himself talks about hanging out with prince at paisley park. no real details about possible recording sessions though. but check out the discograhy, it mentions some recordings i 1988, i think, i'm not sure of the year though.

...the whole miles/prince affair is pretty much summed up here i guess: http://users.ids.net/~dms...thing.html

jalokin said:

This line right here cracked me up:


BTW, before you start throwing the Miles Davis/Prince connection around as evidence of Prince's genius, keep in mind that many people consider Davis's 1986-1991 period to be his star-struck, lazy-assed, name-droppingest years

CherryMoon said:

I'd put W&L 1st and then these 3, definitely!!!

soulpower said:

Some of us didn't.

Also worth mentioning he worked with Sting (or at least played on stage with him once.)

ERIC LEEDS
I think that first of all he's one of the very best soloist Prince has ever worked with ... I just wish he would be a regular band member again... I usually come up with the same tired line when I want to catch a friend's attention to the fact that Prince is still alive : " Well, actually Maceo Parker is Prince's sax right now"... But that's just like a marketing thing , and you know what I mean Cause no one has ever heard about Mr Eric Leeds , but don't we all know he kicks Maceo's ass 2 times ?!! 11 times ??!
Eric Leeds is the funkiest soloist , melodist , Prince has ever worked with...And I just realized why thanks to a bootleg , yes ! The Frankfurt Soundcheck 1988 ... well, Eric Leeds is rehearsing Miles Davis second quintet's tunes !! Now I know where part of his FUNK comes from
Take out Eric leeds from Prince's band in 86 til 88 , and you'll be taking out the immense majority of all these crazy horns lines we know by heart ..These are NOT Prince's melodies or arrangements...
The Lovesexy album and tour just would'nt sound so crazy without all the input from Eric Leeds ..Lovesexy is ,like to many of us , my favorite Prince album, and I know it would sound thin without Eric Leeds arrangements ...Just listen to the Dream Factory trax horn arrangements,listen to Eric soloing at the 87-88 aftershows, listen to Lovesexy..try to imagine what 86-88 Prince's stuff would sound without Eric solo or horn arrangements...Damn ,that would not sound the same at ALL !!
Still, I'm not really into Madhouse ..but...Eric has got to be the most Undercover Funk Agent Prince has ever worked with...
By the way Renato is , I think , one of the best musicians Prince's had in his band too...

I hope that Eric Leeds at the Celebration 2002 shows is just the beginning . I hope he's coming back !

jalokin said:

As much as Miles dug Prince, "Half Nelson" had nothing to do with him. The song was featured on Miles' Workin' album from 1956.

Supernova said:

Some clarification is needed.

"Half Nelson " dates back to '45 or '48 during Miles journeyman days with Charlie Parker. It's a play on the wrestling hold (Miles was an amateur boxer) and the interlacing nature of be-bop's rhythms and Parker's soloing style. Miles has re-recorded this during his Prestige sessions where he was the star and leader

"Full Nelson" is a song written by Marcus Miller that Davis first recorded in 1986 for the TUTU album. Miller is an avowed Prince fan and was fully cognizant of Prince's influence on Miles at this time and likely received some trax from Prince for Miles to overdub (they were recalled by Prince once he heard the project).

Furthermore, Miles was unhappy with his new contract with Warners and refused to write any new material and deferred all composing to Miller and his designates (though it's rumored he was active, but uncredtited). Also, some see this as play on words going from "half" to "full" thus completing the cycle (whatever that is).
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chimonk said:

He was at the aborted show at Paisley on Friday with sax in hand. I think it's a safe assumption that he will be playing some/most of the shows in Europe.

The answer is very simple ...MILES DAVIS and by far

VINCENT said:

I guess you haven't been reading the debate over whether we can count Miles....or you have and this is your way of casting your vote.




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lovemachine said:

4 The One Nite Alone tour we already have a fantastic line-up of NPG-musicians: Maceo P, John B, Rhonda S, Candy D,
Renato N (he's freaky!), maybe even Eric L. !

'm really looking 4ward to the shows

PFunkjazz said:

Gracias.
I mistakenly read Jalokin's post as "Half Nelson" instead of "Full Nelson"...my mistake, Jalokin. And thanks for the clarification, PFunk, I'm really picky when it comes to accurate dates about music being released, that's below my self-inflicted standards. And you're right, it is indeed a wrestling hold.

I had no idea I was going to create this firestorm by mentioning Miles Davis, but I stand by it, and I am glad that others have rallied to my side.

Miles and Prince "worked" together which is the criteria for this forum.

There is no one that Prince has worked with that has actually changed the course of music like Mr. Davis. PERIOD.

Even playing one show together qualifies as working together.

Now go in there, and put on that new wig I bought you.

Ricky Peterson !!!

he is a fantastic musician !!

Miles Davis, George benson, Sonny T.

Supernova said:

but after their encounter Miles made FULL Nelson (read the post please). it's on Tutu.

Supernova said:

sorry, i missed this post. i'm at work, so i'm browsing a little too fast sometimes...

lovemachine said:

Sory Sir please don't beat me..no no...pleaaase. Well I confirm...MILES DAVIS.

I just love Michael B. If you don´t agree, listen to the first 30 Seconds of "Shhh!"

VINCENT said:

Miles Davis