jpav said:

Whatever.

Murder.
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Thievery.
"[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him." (Luke 19:29-34)

Bigotry.
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Rape.
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

Anxiety said:

The metric system would be your best bet.

MsLegs said:

Silliness usually has a direct corellation to the religiosity of an individual.

This isn't a religious debate folks

It's about the TONE of Prince's religious songs From uplifiting to preachy, and how people interpret those of us who make a distinction as flat out "hating" his religion.

Though, from some of these post, that may be true






OLD PRINCE: I got the butter for your muffin....
NEW PRINCE: If you don't own your butter, than your butter owns you!

Imago said:

LOL! Oh, LAWD!!!

Imago said:

MsLegs said:

That actually was kind of funny, huh?

BinaryJustin said:

That's pretty funny... all completely out of context, (we don't have time to go into Levitcal Law, Old Testament rules vs. faith in Christ), but funny.

The point of the whole thread still is: one person's preaching is another person sharing of beliefs, and the line is often very thin.

I can hear the views of people I don't agree with without painting them all with the same brush. Pity you can't...

I'm aware that there are good and bad atheists, good and bad Muslims, good and bad Christians.... etc. You reduce all people of faith to a charicature, which is extremely sad and just as scary and laced with bigotry as any "religious hatred" you attack.

jpav said:

No. I reduce all religionists to having a mental illness akin to anorexia or bulimia. Is it "bigoted" to label people with eating disorders as being "ill"?... No, it isn't - it's stating a fact.

Religion has been used to "attack" intelligence and common sense since records began. Stating the obvious contradictions within The Bible isn't an attack - it's an attempt to defend one's self from stupidity.

jpav said:

OK you so badly want to hijack this thread that you are directly contradicting the author of the thread who reiterated his position just 4 posts ago. Please just let this one go and start your own thread if you like. The author has stated how they "hear" it so arguing the point is useless.
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Most religious books are filled with parables that people have chosen to believe are historical events.

I dunno, I 'spose whether you treat religon/faith as a work of fiction or something whole hearted and honest, it's still good to reconize it and tolerate it as such. Just for the sake of containing a certain level of peace amoung humanity. But I dunno.

BinaryJustin said:

Again, way to label billions of people throughout history as trying to "attack" intelligence... VERY sophisticated.

We can continue this on another thread some day (as I agree we've strayed from the topic), but if you, (as an intellectual), have everything so well figured out, (in light of your inferior view of any religious person), how does matter come from nothing? Whatever sub-atomic level you want to start at, there is no intellectual way to explain where all mattter originated from (since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed), and no plausible way to explain where time begins.

I believe science and religion both reach a dead-end here, and, though I firmly believe in God, I understand that arguing the un-answerable is futile, and so I am not threatened by non-religious viewpoints. That is why the intolerance toward even what you perceive as Prince's "preachy-ness" is sad.

Prince's religious views, regardless of your personal opinion of them, should be respected as coming from deeply-held ideas, just as much as an atheist musician's beliefs (Lord knows, (sorry),there are plenty of those to go around).

Wide is the Gate...

jpav said:

IMHO...the only reason people care now is because the musis does not apeal as much. The message hasn't changed and neither has the preachiness. Its the music...it aint as good

jpav said:

Amen!

Alexandernvrmind said:

That plus, his more sexual music didn't need to be so vague. I think his sexual stuff appeals more because it's something you can easily laugh at, or find comfort in (to some extent). Even when sexuality is shocking, it's still secretly appreciated. And I think he/we enjoyed the taboo. Faith isn't as easy to make appealing because it's a more delicate subject. *shrug*

jpav said:

Well, a billion and one then - you being the "one" of course.

jpav said:

And give you another platform to air your indoctrinated belief system? No thanks.

jpav said:

I never said I was an intellectual.

jpav said:

I have my own personal beliefs but do not wish to inflict them on others. However, I will say that if you assume time must have a beginning, I can safely assume that you wouldn't understand anyway.

jpav said:

Not half as futile as arguing the nonsensical.

jpav said:

Um... Other than 'Imagine' by John Lennon, I can't think of any truly popular songs which have lyrics featuring a non-theist viewpoint.

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Anxiety said:

how does somebody with the name Anxiety get to be a moderator anyway?

Bishop31 said:

So true...

jpav said:

Howsabout 1+1+1=3? That's the most vile, sexist shit I've ever heard him spout off, and it came straight from religious ideas.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like TRC, but that song is just unacceptable to my ears -especially coming from a guy who wears more makeup than I do.

Imago said:

Marry me!

PurpleCharm said:

Why is this so?

Bishop31 said:

Who In The Hell, Left The Gate Open.

MsLegs said:

"....Yeah, uhh, "Aunt Helen" that's just the pastor, see"

Gotta love "The Jamie Foxx Show"!

FarrahMoan said:

This serman isn't from Jamie Fox.

MsLegs said:

No, I just seen "Jamie Foxx" say that on his show. I know of many pastors that say that, I am not ignorant, now It's just that I thought of that, that's all.