Anxiety said:

HQ's response. They're currently having a similiar discussion as Org so I heard.

i've seen P several times since his "rebirth" and have never felt PREACHED to like what has been described. the concert(s) where this "preaching" has occured, everyone has not likely experienced but being dogmatic is never in order. like has been said, where one is can determine if they RECEIVE a proclamation or ongoing "banter" as being preached to.

my whole thing is when in other threads, something "spiritual" comes up. its often pounced upon and discredited. like when the press conf. about the London shows was posted, the whole thread turned nasty, venemous and well, hateful, because he said he was taking time off to "study the bible". maybe it wasn't YOU who chimed in per se, but those who did know who they are, i was like DAG! the whole topic of the London shows was hijacked by people angry at his statement and the implications therein.

apart from "preaching at a show", another common sentiment that captures this disdain is in the critiquing (sp?) of his spitually themed, recorded music. if i could sum it up, its basically, "ENOUGH already with your "religious music", become a ho again and sing about it". nothings wrong with liking what one likes, and people have expressed longings for what they described as the dark, occult like days. where's the balance in personal preference and allowing an artist to grow and (occasional "concert preaching" notwithstanding") i don't see him FORCING his growth on his fans thru his recorded music, but yet the disdain for where he is spiritually comes thru loud and clear.

datdude said:

Co-sign!

Some people find religion intimidating or silly, or they simply aren't confident enough in their own beliefs to sustain the respectful presentation of another's. Those are the people who complain Prince is "preaching", even when he simply mentions God. (Hence the press conference example you sighted).

I'm always amazed that people could be "offended" by Prince's discussions about God, but have no problem lapping up the adolescent bathroom wall language of his early work.

People only like to give musicians credit for evolving and for trying to say something important, as long as they agree with what they are saying... Sad.

MsLegs said:

Now that's funny!

For me I am not against his spiritual growth at all. But as of late he appears to be contradictive ....So if you are talking the talk ...then walk the walk ...thats all

jpav said:

Yes, but I dont' find religion intimidating or silly. Moreover, I am extremely confident in Buddhism as I firmly believe in its principles.

I find some of Prince's songs "The Cross", "Anna Stesia" to name a few, very uplifing and moving. But he's not really preaching to me there.

Imago said:

Do some research and you will find religion silly.

The story of a virgin giving birth to the son of god or a phrophet is all thorugh history told about a dozen times before christianity was invented.

Religion is a farce and a complete joke.

BIDDHISM is more of a philosophy and i respect that; the dogma isn;'t the same. HOWEVER there is even in buddhist scriptures the advocation of murder; later on there is a contradiction saying the opposite

I'm still gonna make fun of dumbass lines like "23 scriptures and a one night stand"

That's not the lyric. It's "23 positions in a one night stand".

icke4presidant said:

icke4presidant said:

Anxiety said:

Anxiety, this thread gets more interesting by the minute.

Anxiety said:

Yeah study harder...

Imago said:

OK, so "Don't die without knowing The Cross"...that isn't preaching? Prince is saying "Don't come to the end of your life without a relationship with Christ"... Looks like the DEFINTION of preaching to me.

icke4presidant said:[quote]

Imago said:

Gee, I WONDER why you view Prince as "preaching"? Sounds like Prince is not the intolerant one here...

jpav said:

I agree

jpav said:[quote]

icke4presidant said:

I have audio of bootleg shows from 99-2003

Prince says things as; women should know their place. That's disgusting and comes from religion. Why should i be tolerant of hate.

Does hating murderers, thieves, bigots and rapists make someone intolerant?
We should not tolerate the religious dogma!

yeah, I really dislike (not hate) the preachy Prince...Religion bugs me, not interested in it at all and although I admit it is of great help for millions of people it is not for me...so yeah, deep down I wish Prince would quit all this JW crap and just speak of God a la Lovesexy and not in TRC style...oh well...

garganta said:

It's a good thing he's taking a break, 2 study, in depth.
It'll either make him or break him. Though I'm just amazed that it's taking him this long 2 figure it all out.

MsLegs said:

i just want to know how silliness is measured. a silly scale? a sillometer?

Anxiety said:

No, silly cone.

jpav said:

YOu know, I see your point.

I hate that song now.

icke4presidant said:

I've heard many of the shows from that tour and don't remember Prince saying "women should know their place", Can you give me the show and place where he says that and I'll have a listen, but I think you may be incorrectly paraphrasing.


What does "hating murderers, theives, bigots and rapists" have to do with religion? The last time I checked, atheists are represented in all these groups as well... Silly.

jpav said:

Atheists aren't inclined to preach from a book of fairy tales which extols the virtues of murder, thievery, bigotry and rape.

jpav said:

Prince DID say that. He then tried to excuse it by saying don't get it wrong ladies. I dl a show off winmx which had dozens. Now it's not up and running and i no longer have any prince songs on my laptop.

- Do you have to ask?

BinaryJustin said:

This thread kind of sucks ass now.

But it's very very entertaining, I admit.


I think I'm going to start a "Prince's view on Abortion" thread or something next!

Imago said:

he thinks it's a sin and the mother will be banished

BinaryJustin said:

Something tells me you haven't read the words of Jesus thoroughly, or you'd find the following:


27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Luke 6:27-36

or

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:34-40


Please do your homework before generalizing and using blanket statements.

jpav said:

I found the passage in the First Testament concerning Lot's "guest" who wanted to have homosexual sex, but were instead offered his daughters particularly disturbing.

But again, this is not the point of this thread

jpav said:

tell that to religious nuts