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Reply #30 posted 06/21/07 7:28am

vinx98

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Shorty said:

padawan said:

There are lots of reasons Prince hasn't had a legitimate hit, but the most glaring one is his 90s behavior where he burned his bridges with his studio over dubious reasons, maligned the record industry, and snubbed his nose at the very idea of chart success. He actually said he doesn't want to be on the radio with "Don't Play Me" and "Undisputed." After a spectacle like that, radio programmers, studio executives, heads at video channels, and most importantly, the record-buying public, are wont to be a bit skeptical about any Prince-ly endeavors. I mean, spending an entire decade flagrantly dishonoring a contract he voluntarily signed doesn't inspire a lot of trust. It doesn't help matters that his cause made no sense whatsoever and his music was as confused. People will forgive a commercial bomb here and there, but the titanic meltdown Prince put on display will take more than a pair of decent mainstream records for the general public to forget.

I'd say a big hit (and a true artistic resurgence) is almost contingent on Prince addressing his 90s conduct in some thoughtful manner, somehow redeeming himself, and giving closure to all that drama--bury the hatchet, clear the slate so as to reestablish trust with his backers and listeners. Otherwise, he'll have a middling journeyman comeback with a string of so-so albums bolstered by nostalgia and his reputation as a live performer. My feeling is, he won't be a serious artistic voice again until he deals with all that name-changing, slave-writing baggage. And this would require the one thing Prince has always resisted: Looking back.


I totally disagree with you....
I think in WB days they paid the bucks to have him played. On his own he didn't want to pay for play so there it stood.
the general public has a memory span of about 5 minutes...there ain't no way they be holdin' prince to his "90's conduct" ..."redeeming himself" lol yikes I don't think so...he don't need to do that. All he has to do to reestablish anything with his backers is to prove he can still hold an audience wich I believe he did BIG TIME with the superbowl...I mean think about the verizion deal....they wouldn't touch him b4 that.


I agree, no one gives a shit what Prince did in the 90's. Theres nothing to "forgive", what did he do, kill someone?? Its about exposure, even old fogey can have critical and chart success, look at Santana (who Columbia are trying to model).
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Reply #31 posted 06/21/07 9:30am

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It's a fact of life that damn near 50-year olds with hits on the top 40 charts are rare. Yeah there will be one or two every so often, but the vast majority are a couple of decades younger than P.

Now if the complaint is really about P not making music that you don't personally like anymore, well, sucks for you I guess.
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Reply #32 posted 06/21/07 12:56pm

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Rockability said:

What happened? What is going on in the "genius" mind of his that creates junk and gets regurgitated.

How many people here payed a dollar to DL "Guitar?" With that title and the promise Prince has, hell it was worth the gamble right? How many of you paid a dollar to hear other crap?

Ya cheap as hell, but you know, I might be a Prince fan, but I think it's time we all stop being P-producers. We pay a buck, he makes 100k to work on "changes." Come on P, get back to reality and compose something you at 18 could do in your sleep.
[Edited 6/20/07 0:09am]

I heard it for free and I still think I payed too much. It's so disappointing. And I hate the fact that they play that damn commercial on TV for the whole world to see. I just wanna change the channel every time it comes on. It's too embarassing.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #33 posted 06/21/07 1:02pm

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Rinluv said:

Rockability said:

What happened? What is going on in the "genius" mind of his that creates junk and gets regurgitated.

How many people here payed a dollar to DL "Guitar?" With that title and the promise Prince has, hell it was worth the gamble right? How many of you paid a dollar to hear other crap?

Ya cheap as hell, but you know, I might be a Prince fan, but I think it's time we all stop being P-producers. We pay a buck, he makes 100k to work on "changes." Come on P, get back to reality and compose something you at 18 could do in your sleep.
[Edited 6/20/07 0:09am]

I heard it for free and I still think I payed too much. It's so disappointing. And I hate the fact that they play that damn commercial on TV for the whole world to see. I just wanna change the channel every time it comes on. It's too embarassing.


yall take things waaaaay too seriously. lol
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Reply #34 posted 06/21/07 1:14pm

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wonder505 said:

Rinluv said:


I heard it for free and I still think I payed too much. It's so disappointing. And I hate the fact that they play that damn commercial on TV for the whole world to see. I just wanna change the channel every time it comes on. It's too embarassing.


yall take things waaaaay too seriously. lol

This is some serios shit. Why the man can't getta hit.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #35 posted 06/21/07 1:33pm

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purplesweat said:


Basically, Black Sweat could have been huge


Black sweat will kill you ears!
[Edited 6/21/07 13:34pm]
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Reply #36 posted 06/21/07 1:38pm

Rinluv

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lilgish said:

purplesweat said:


Basically, Black Sweat could have been huge


Black sweat will kill you ears!
[Edited 6/21/07 13:34pm]

I can't stand that song.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #37 posted 06/21/07 1:48pm

Snake

His last real Hit to me was Cream!
But I hated that Album!

My last really favorite CD was One Nite Alone!
Since then It seems like when it's his time up to bat
he keeps bunting When He knows he can hit a home run!

The Reason why we all want him to have a hit is because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
during Purple Rain.

Actually he doesn't care if it
happens again or not.
[Edited 6/21/07 13:50pm]
We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not.
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Reply #38 posted 06/21/07 6:35pm

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purplesweat said:

I agree that if he was looking for a pop hit, he missed the mark with Guitar. It's way corny and the whole atmosphere of it is, coincidentally enough, an old rocker trying to be hip. Does anyone really believe Prince is "gettin' dirty in the club again" anymore? I've already voiced my opinion on his, er, voice in this song too.

Basically, Black Sweat could have been huge but for some reason there wasn't enough promo surrounding it. Black Sweat was the Perfect combo of old and new school Prince and the video is watchable and his vocals were listenable. The overall atmosphere isn't embarrassing like Guitar.

As for Planet Earth - who knows? It might have some hits on it. Some artists biggest hits have been the 2nd or 3rd single.


Black Sweat was truly awful and embarrassing even as a true Prince fan. The Rainbow Children was the last brilliant work he did, and that lacked a commercial aspect.
We ahve to sadly accept, that at 49 years old Prince is the world's finest live performer but out of touch in terms of commercial success. He has also sadly run out of ideas it seems.
When he was young he had a constant battle with sex and religion, with being small, with being told he was mad to have full control, his upbringing, his Minneapolis background. These battles, fierce competition and probably quite a large quantity of drugs, resulted in raw genius creations. Now he is at one with himself, not fighting anymore and universally recognised by those that matter to him. His creative expression has thus dipped.
Sorry but it's the truth.
Guitar isn't a classic and is alittle obvious but is likely to do okay.


It pays to READ what I actually said. rolleyes
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Reply #39 posted 06/21/07 6:41pm

ReginaCarman

Rockability said:

What happened? What is going on in the "genius" mind of his that creates junk and gets regurgitated.

How many people here payed a dollar to DL "Guitar?" With that title and the promise Prince has, hell it was worth the gamble right? How many of you paid a dollar to hear other crap?

Ya cheap as hell, but you know, I might be a Prince fan, but I think it's time we all stop being P-producers. We pay a buck, he makes 100k to work on "changes." Come on P, get back to reality and compose something you at 18 could do in your sleep.
[Edited 6/20/07 0:09am]

He's just been Receiving Awards! biggrin
[Edited 6/21/07 18:42pm]
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Reply #40 posted 06/21/07 6:56pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

Raze said:

He's 49 years old. That and "hits" usually don't mix.


MJ hasn't had a bona fide hit in over a decade. Madonna barely scraped into the top 10 with the lead single from her last album and that man-hours put into getting it to #7, by her, the label, and her fans, were many.


I guess there's always Cher and Tina to point to. But even they're only good for one every 10 or 15 years anymore.


The first two singles of Madonna's last album when straight in at number 1.

It depends where you live.



they were #1 on the sales chart in the US, too. but they weren't huge hits.
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Reply #41 posted 06/30/07 3:09am

CAMERANEWS

cannot even respond to this stupid thread. hit??? god your stupid brick

we are talking about art, not jack in the box.
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Reply #42 posted 06/30/07 3:12am

Serena

fstop said:

Very GooD QuestioN, WiLL tHiS sInGlE, GUITAR chart. I dont think so ..but the CD will do OK sales for a week and half.


Something is wrong with your keyboard, you need a new one! The shift key seems to be malfunctioning.
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Reply #43 posted 06/30/07 3:23am

Serena

datdude said:

how many times do we have to discuss the state of the "industry" and how radio works now? even if you don't like Guitar, if there's something you like from Planet Earth that is "hit material" in your estimation, its unlikely that it will be a "hit". enjoy the stuff that you DO like and let it be a hit to you.


Exactly. I seriously don't get why folks who are supposedly fans still worry about him having a 'hit'. Who gives a flying fuck whether the worthless charts recognize him or not. Have fun with the music you like and skip the rest. If you don't like the new stuff, go and enjoy what ever genre of his you like and quit the bitching. You've got almost 30 years of material to explore, have at it!
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Reply #44 posted 06/30/07 3:36am

Serena

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Granted, although I'd b interested 2 hear why u think he's compelled 2 wear corsets and make up still at 49, and what all that has 2 do with his music.


Because it's Prince and he has his own image and style? What has his clothing or makeup ever had to do with his musical ability??

Kind of a weird comment from someone who has the avatar you do...
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Reply #45 posted 06/30/07 12:14pm

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Because hits are just that: CREATED! By marketing, promotion, advertisement, and constant airplay on the radio or video. Hits are manufactured and have always been by artists and the record companies behind them.
How many times have you ever bought someone's album/CD(Prince included) and liked other songs on it far better than the so-called hits?
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Reply #46 posted 06/30/07 12:17pm

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Rockability said:

What happened? What is going on in the "genius" mind of his that creates junk and gets regurgitated.

How many people here payed a dollar to DL "Guitar?" With that title and the promise Prince has, hell it was worth the gamble right? How many of you paid a dollar to hear other crap?

Ya cheap as hell, but you know, I might be a Prince fan, but I think it's time we all stop being P-producers. We pay a buck, he makes 100k to work on "changes." Come on P, get back to reality and compose something you at 18 could do in your sleep.
[Edited 6/20/07 0:09am]

that is just your opinion...his stuff is not junk, mad listen to the so called hits today and there's some junk for ya!!!!!
tinkerbell
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Reply #47 posted 06/30/07 12:18pm

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FuNkeNsteiN said:

Who gives a fuck about 'hits'? confused
99.9% of the 'music' that's chartin' these days is complete and utter bullshit.

highfive
tinkerbell
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Reply #48 posted 06/30/07 12:44pm

augustwinters

Forget Guitar!

- In my opinion he hasn't really had a song worthy of being a top 40 with mass appeal, unforgetable lyrics, great melody, feel good song that make you want to sing and dance for awhile.

Remember Cream. Get Off

Last night that changed for me with. The 1 U want 2 C --it's as pop and catchy as anything he's put out and remindes me of the kind of quality and cool he used to put out in the 80's. If this song doesn't catch mass airplay...screw radio
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Reply #49 posted 06/30/07 12:50pm

Thumparello

The song is not very good. It's just that simple.
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Reply #50 posted 06/30/07 1:30pm

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I have posted several times about the radio/music industry being segregated by formats. Back in the 90s when the whole "slave" thing occured it was due to Warner Brothers placing Prince ( who at that time was one of the biggest artists out there) in their R&B division. In other words they stopped marketing his music to top 40 radio stations and just let his music slide over to R&B formats who always played his music regardless. The result was a heavy dose of R&B songs charting for Prince starting with I Hate U from Gold and going up to Black Sweat from 3121. Prince had the music to cross back over to the pop charts but no one actually tryed to do this so his albums have flopped because of marketing faux paus and a stupid decision from WB 14 years ago.
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Reply #51 posted 06/30/07 1:55pm

GiGi319

I'm feeling creative right now, so I created this poem:
Prince can't create a hit
I really don't give a shit
I know he's way too clever
to care what we think or whatever... biggrin
love the one who is Love!
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Reply #52 posted 06/30/07 6:24pm

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If he has to create the type of crap that they play on the radio these days to top the charts, I hope he never has another hit.
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Reply #53 posted 07/17/07 3:32pm

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Reply #54 posted 07/17/07 3:34pm

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If Just a Friend by Biz Marky can be made into a hit then if Prince just farts on tape and masters it, THAT can be MADE into a hit record.
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Reply #55 posted 07/17/07 5:07pm

Serena

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If he has to create the type of crap that they play on the radio these days to top the charts, I hope he never has another hit.


Exactly! Who cares whether he has a 'hit' or not? Enjoy the music for yourself and screw what the industry thinks.

If he did have a mainstream hit, just think how much harder it would be to get tickets then. That would also bring more new people to the shows who only want to hear the old hits and the vicious circle starts again. lol
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Reply #56 posted 07/17/07 5:18pm

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LadyLuvSexxy said:

I gladly spent a measely dollar to get the single out as soon as it appeared on the page. I'd rather pay for it than pirate it. And his songs ARE hits. It may not be relevant in the figures and the papers, but in all honesty that isn't what it's supposed to be about. It's great to be known, but it's even better to be able to create something and be loved. I'd be sick to my stomach if I ever saw/heard that Prince was doing what some of these current artists are doing--literally making total crapola just to make a hit on a list or make some sales. I can't sing a lick or read a note; but I'm quite sure that's not what music is all about. In the thin line of sacrifice that is making the dollars and expressing oneself, I say screw the hit goal. He's doing just fine. The ones in the world who love him notice him. The ones who do not can discover him or remain jaded in the means of thinking that these other "talented" artists are it.

Popularity ain't everything. It surely doesn't seem to be making some of these popular celebs too happy. razz



Granted, although I'd b interested 2 hear why u think he's compelled 2 wear corsets and make up still at 49, and what all [b]that has 2 do with his music[/b].


That's who he is...he's always been about fashion and prettymanness...let's give him credit for living outside the box.
Turn your own question around and ask yourself: Why do you care what he wears or how he looks if his music is tight...???
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #57 posted 07/17/07 7:54pm

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eek Create a hit? to whose ears? last winter the hit song was a little ditty called chicken noodle soup lol or how about Fergilicious!! Prince creations are just fine.
Don't take life too seriously, noone gets out alive.
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Reply #58 posted 07/17/07 8:01pm

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Question: When did Prince stop having his songs?

Answer: Shortly after he left Warner Bros. Coincidence?

Question: When did a song being a "hit" signify that it was good.

Answer: Never.

Listen to DMSR or Housequake--neither a "hit" song as far as radio or charts were concerned.

Now. Listen to this week's #1 song on the charts. Which do you like better?

[Edited 7/17/07 20:02pm]
"New Power slide...."
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Reply #59 posted 07/17/07 10:16pm

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I think it's kinda useless to bitch about Prince not having a hit single.

I mean, the guy is pushing 50, and he belongs to a completely different generation. You can say the 90s stuff affected him to a degree, but the truth is, it happens to all artists eventually. I mean, look at once unstoppable hit makers: Diana Ross, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, etc. They're all great artists and legendary, but really, when was the last time any of them had a hit outside of formats like AC and Urban? Particularly with Elton John. Remember when in 2001 he had put out his best album in years(at the time) and MTV was giving the videos heavy rotation. Even with THAT, Top 40 radio avoided him. Why? Cause he's from a different generation. How can the kiddos relate to him?

And it's not just them. Look at Madonna and U2. Madonna these days struggles to have a top 10 single(Hung Up hit the top 10, but only cause of heavy digital downloads and the fact that MTV was 100% behind her with that song). Same with U2. When was the last time they hit the Top 10? I know Vertigo was a hit, but I dont even think it went top 10. Also look at Bon Jovi. They were lucky Country radio embraced Who Says You Cant Go Home like they did, cause otherwise it would have been completely ignored by mainstream radio. I mean, it happens to all hitmakers, even the most proven. So really, no one should be so upset over Prince not having a hit. If it happens, great. And if not, then oh well. Anyway, Im pretty sure "Future Baby Mama" will get alot of Urban play. Maybe he should have that as his focus. I mean, Madonna's most dependable format is dance, U2's is rock, and Bon Jovi's is, at least recently, country. Urban radio's been really great with Prince, so why not just embrace it?
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