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Verizon Promo...Prince Just Doesn't Get It. Sometimes I'm amazed at how business savy Prince can be, yet how clueless as well.
He makes this deal with Verizon, allowing a significant (yet probably largely ambivalent) group of people to have exclusive access to his new music, while his devoted fans have to sit here wondering about it. I understand promotion and all, but I guess I don't see the up-side here. Prince gets "free" from WB, has this amazing tool like the Internet, (one he vowed to use", but now years later, he somehow always manages to leave his fans out in the cold. If he had given out "Guitar", or even charged a small fee through 3121.com, he would have his fanbase pumped and his new music would get into the hands of people who appreciate it and could perpetuate it. Just mystifies me... | |
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i think prince has made so much music and released it in so many different ways over the years, he probably doesn't think about his own body of work the same way that the collectors of his music do.
we want archival and complete and optimal quality and leatherbound editions with comprehensive liner notes and we want it to be totally available to us, and i really don't think any of that matters to prince at all as far as his output is concerned. it's his product. he'll try doing some interesting thing with some new music, and if it doesn't work, he'll try something else some other time and forget all about that last batch of songs. that's just the vibe i get... | |
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why would verizon shell out the millions to promote him if folks can get it else where before the official CD is dropped? It's a promotional partnership. When Prince promoted himself people diss him for bad business and sucky promotion.
I understand what you're saying, the fans should get the single first but he's done that before and got criticize for only the die hards knowing his music and nobody else. I guess we'll just have to wait for the CD. [Edited 6/5/07 18:45pm] | |
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He`already gave that song out to us. Way before this promo. Guitar is old. I've had it for a while on my ipod. I forgot how i got it. | |
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prnfan78 said: He`already gave that song out to us. Way before this promo. Guitar is old. I've had it for a while on my ipod. I forgot how i got it.
you're right, that was the demo version i think that was available on 3121.com. | |
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Yeah. That's where i got it. Thanks alot. | |
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prnfan78 said: Yeah. That's where i got it. Thanks alot.
Right, we get the demo version (which we all gladly bought), yet any goofball with a Verizon phone gets the superior version first. I guess it just seems like Prince never sees the value in creating "good will" with his devoted fans, and instead alway chases the masses... Kinda like the guy who has a faithful girl at home, but he can't help staying out all night playing the field.  | |
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This is the time you miss the NPG Music Club. We would of had the song and the video from the ALMA Awards. | |
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jpav said: Sometimes I'm amazed at how business savy Prince can be, yet how clueless as well.
He makes this deal with Verizon, allowing a significant (yet probably largely ambivalent) group of people to have exclusive access to his new music, while his devoted fans have to sit here wondering about it. I understand promotion and all, but I guess I don't see the up-side here. Prince gets "free" from WB, has this amazing tool like the Internet, (one he vowed to use", but now years later, he somehow always manages to leave his fans out in the cold. If he had given out "Guitar", or even charged a small fee through 3121.com, he would have his fanbase pumped and his new music would get into the hands of people who appreciate it and could perpetuate it. Just mystifies me... what should Prince have done, find out which provider the majority of his fan base use before signing with one? get real and get over yourself. Prince doesn't owe any of you anything. he made a business choice that suited him fine and went with it. it isn't Prince that doesn't get it, it is you. if Prince knows his fan base is going to buy his music, than it behooves him far more to make it accessible to non-fans and hopefully gain their ingterest rather than simply give it to the people that will buy it anyway. time for marketing 101 bub. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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Yo Prince....
can you hear us now? | |
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Very Well Said.  | |
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jpav said: prnfan78 said: Yeah. That's where i got it. Thanks alot.
Right, we get the demo version (which we all gladly bought), yet any goofball with a Verizon phone gets the superior version first. I guess it just seems like Prince never sees the value in creating "good will" with his devoted fans, and instead alway chases the masses... Kinda like the guy who has a faithful girl at home, but he can't help staying out all night playing the field. Except that is isn't even "any goofball with a Verizon phone." I have Verizon -- and I still can't download Guitar. The download is currently available on something like six phones -- none of which I have. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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dumbass said: jpav said: Sometimes I'm amazed at how business savy Prince can be, yet how clueless as well.
He makes this deal with Verizon, allowing a significant (yet probably largely ambivalent) group of people to have exclusive access to his new music, while his devoted fans have to sit here wondering about it. I understand promotion and all, but I guess I don't see the up-side here. Prince gets "free" from WB, has this amazing tool like the Internet, (one he vowed to use", but now years later, he somehow always manages to leave his fans out in the cold. If he had given out "Guitar", or even charged a small fee through 3121.com, he would have his fanbase pumped and his new music would get into the hands of people who appreciate it and could perpetuate it. Just mystifies me... what should Prince have done, find out which provider the majority of his fan base use before signing with one? get real and get over yourself. Prince doesn't owe any of you anything. he made a business choice that suited him fine and went with it. it isn't Prince that doesn't get it, it is you. if Prince knows his fan base is going to buy his music, than it behooves him far more to make it accessible to non-fans and hopefully gain their ingterest rather than simply give it to the people that will buy it anyway. time for marketing 101 bub. Dude, lighten up and un-wad those panties... I know a great deal more about marketing than you, I assure you, but that wasn't my point, (but thanks for the personal attack;). AS I SAID, the issue isn't marketing, cause God knows he's tried every possible way of enticing new fans into buying his music, and generally with little lasting results. He jumps from one "exclusive" or "trailblazing" attempt, yet the final sales rarely reflect anything like mass appeal (other than Musicology, which was tied to live performance, and people "seeking out his talents" - not people who happened to have season tickets at the arenas where he played that year, which is the Verizon equivalent). What Prince does have is a loyal core fanbase that has consistently been screwed over, beginning with the Crystal Ball mess, all the way up to the unceremonial dissolving of the Music Club. There's something called "customer service" and loyalty to your faithful support, and it's what separates average businesses from great ones. Prince has largely missed the boat on this since leaving a major label, and that's just the truth. [Edited 6/5/07 19:31pm] | |
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I also have Verizon. It's not available on my phone either. Got to have the Vcast I guess. | |
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prnfan78 said: I also have Verizon. It's not available on my phone either. Got to have the Vcast I guess.
Vcast is available on my phone. I can ID the song, but can't get the download. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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jpav said: dumbass said: what should Prince have done, find out which provider the majority of his fan base use before signing with one? get real and get over yourself. Prince doesn't owe any of you anything. he made a business choice that suited him fine and went with it. it isn't Prince that doesn't get it, it is you. if Prince knows his fan base is going to buy his music, than it behooves him far more to make it accessible to non-fans and hopefully gain their ingterest rather than simply give it to the people that will buy it anyway. time for marketing 101 bub. Dude, lighten up and un-wad those panties... I know a great deal more about marketing than you, I assure you, but that wasn't my point, (but thanks for the personal attack;). AS I SAID, the issue isn't marketing, cause God knows he's tried every possible way of enticing new fans into buying his music, and generally with little lasting results. He jumps from one "exclusive" or "trailblazing" attempt, yet the final sales rarely reflect anything like mass appeal (other than Musicology, which was tied to live performance, and people "seeking out his talents" - not people who happened to have season tickets at the arenas where he played that year, which is the Verizon equivalent). What Prince does have is a loyal core fanbase that has consistently been screwed over, beginning with the Crystal Ball mess, all the way up to the unceremonial dissolving of the Music Club. There's something called "customer service" and loyalty to your faithful support, and it's what separates average businesses from great ones. Prince has largely missed the boat on this since leaving a major label, and that's just the truth. [Edited 6/5/07 19:31pm] wow, that is an awfully adolescent position believing you somehow are owed something form Prince for being a fan. he gave Verizon customers a first peak of a song...BIG FREAKIN' DEAL! talk about un-wadding your panties. what's your next requirement from Prince, should you be consulted, in all of your marketing wisdom, to what all of his moves should be so the next time he ensures his whiny fan-base doesn't get their feelings hurt because hey aren't provided something exclusive. boo-hoo. you don't deserve anything for being a fan, and you deserve even less when you expect it. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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You have got to be f'ing kidding me.
So what?!?!?! First of all this whole thread is just a replay of the other 10+ page one- which I haven't had a chance to read all the way thru yet so I'll post my opinion here. The way I see this- it was a smart business move. He's an independant artist who has to pay for his own promotion. By doing this, he gets paid to put out a commercial for his new album. He appeased his hardcore fanbase by giving us the song- for $2- as an outtake which he knows we love to have. (Your post implies you did not even know we already have this song.  ) End of story.
BTW, I'm not "drinking the purple kool-aid" and I will say when I think he f***ed up or when I'm pissed off- and I do get pissed off now and then.  This is not one of those times.....[Edited 6/5/07 20:07pm] Ask where they're going, they'll tell U – "Nowhere"
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wonder505 said: why would verizon shell out the millions to promote him if folks can get it else where before the official CD is dropped? It's a promotional partnership. When Prince promoted himself people diss him for bad business and sucky promotion...
Yep. It was a good move.Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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Anxiety said: we want archival and complete and optimal quality and leatherbound editions with comprehensive liner notes and we want it to be totally available to us,  
I'm sorry, I got distracted. What were you saying?  | |
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Illustrator said: Yo Prince....
can you hear us now?  | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said:
I'm sorry, I got distracted. What were you saying? We want archival and complete and optimal quality and leatherbound editions with comprehensive liner notes and we want it to be totally available to us. | |
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jpav said: What Prince does have is a loyal core fanbase...
The thing is I don't think that loyal fanbase is big enough to support him. Look at the sales for N.E.W.S. - thats the kinda of numbers he will get if he would primarily depend on the fanbase for his sales. | |
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thedoorkeeper said: jpav said: What Prince does have is a loyal core fanbase...
The thing is I don't think that loyal fanbase is big enough to support him. Look at the sales for N.E.W.S. - thats the kinda of numbers he will get if he would primarily depend on the fanbase for his sales. EXCUSE ME? We were the ones that supported him when the mainstream audience was busy making jokes about his ass! If it weren't for US supporting him when all others wouldn't, he wouldn't be here now! I don't give a damn how much his ass is being kissed NOW, he KNOWS that it was US that stuck by him through the good, the bad and the Prince what the fuck are you doing? That kind of loyalty isn't forgettable! He may be doing what he has to to appeal to the mainstream now but he knows for a motherfucking fact WHO really loves him and he will NEVER forget about US cuz I'll be around to remind his ass, believe that!! [Edited 6/5/07 22:01pm] | |
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I don't understand what everyone's getting so worked up about. He already gave his core fans a chance to buy the song and most of us did. So he spruced it up a little bit and added some new instrumentation--it's not the end of the world that some people can get it now and some have to wait a couple weeks to get it. I don't get why it's a big deal. I mean, sheesh, it's just a good and clever marketing deal; it's not like he insulted one of the world's oldest religions, insisted that women are subserviant to men, and denied the existence of the trinity. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: thedoorkeeper said: The thing is I don't think that loyal fanbase is big enough to support him. Look at the sales for N.E.W.S. - thats the kinda of numbers he will get if he would primarily depend on the fanbase for his sales. EXCUSE ME? We were the ones that supported him when the mainstream audience was busy making jokes about his ass! If it weren't for US supporting him when all others wouldn't, he wouldn't be here now! I don't give a damn how much his ass is being kissed NOW, he KNOWS that it was US that stuck by him through the good, the bad and the Prince what the fuck are you doing? That kind of loyalty isn't forgettable! He may be doing what he has to to appeal to the mainstream now but he knows for a motherfucking fact WHO really loves him and he will NEVER forget about US cuz I'll be around to remind his ass, believe that!! [Edited 6/5/07 22:01pm] and Prince would gladly trade 1 of you for 5 new listeners for every new album. see how that works? being a fan of his music is a choice YOU have made t satisfy your own wants or needs. it is absolutely ridiculous to think Prince somehow is beholden to you for that. if you don't like the fact that Prince doesn't hold you, an absolute stranger, in higher regards than Verizon customer 1225674, another absolute stranger, then go to the local coffee shop and befriend the guy who is performing for free. I am sure he will be more than pleased to have a fan and will be far more appreciative. you guys really do live in some strange fantasy land if you think being a Prince fan entitles you to something it doesn't or has somehow created a bond with Prince that he owes you for. you are nothing to him. face that fact. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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wonder505 said: why would verizon shell out the millions to promote him if folks can get it else where before the official CD is dropped? It's a promotional partnership. When Prince promoted himself people diss him for bad business and sucky promotion.
I understand what you're saying, the fans should get the single first but he's done that before and got criticize for only the die hards knowing his music and nobody else. I guess we'll just have to wait for the CD. [Edited 6/5/07 18:45pm] most people who download music on phone are teenagers.....they not gonna buy prince no matter what because he not cool to them ...I understand and agree with the thread starter....us old folks should have gotten it first | |
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It's a give and take situation
I never had the extra money or a good computer and only dail up connection living in the hicks so i missed out on the NPG club.. all that music i missed of prince that was only availbe online to the members of the club (which paying for a site like that you should get something in return). I have verizon so i was able to get the song for free (I did buy the demo from 3121.com back in feb) so no matter how Prince gets his music out there. someone will be left out.. all we can hope that is this way of promotion works.. so far i think it has. Few people at work who know i like prince told me they saw his commercial on TV. So people who aren't fans are knowning he's back and might download the free song.. get fimilar with his stuff again.. and buy the cd when it comes out.. It's not like he's new stuff is played heavly on the radio to expose his CDs. this is a good way to get the buzz out there | |
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dumbass said: and Prince would gladly trade 1 of you for 5 new listeners for every new album.
And it will NEVER happen. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: dumbass said: and Prince would gladly trade 1 of you for 5 new listeners for every new album.
And it will NEVER happen. true | |
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