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Printablesquirrelgrease said: That is one huge steaming pile of ebola.
I know that's a hyperbolic metaphor, but it isn't THAT bad.  " | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: squirrelgrease said: That is one huge steaming pile of ebola.
I know that's a hyperbolic metaphor, but it isn't THAT bad. I swear, that snippet 'bout made me bleed out. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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shaedove99 said:   OMG I must be tired because I'm still laughing. This is straight bullsh-t. "Di-diamonds & girls Di-diamonds & girls Di-diamonds & girls & girls & girls: Hayl naw! "pretty women want this N here like Richard Gere   I just couldn't bring myself to listen that long, my gags and heaves made me shut it off. So, he rhymes "here' with "Gere"? Now, isn't that special?  | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: shaedove99 said: OMG I must be tired because I'm still laughing. This is straight bullsh-t. "Di-diamonds & girls Di-diamonds & girls Di-diamonds & girls & girls & girls: Hayl naw! "pretty women want this N here like Richard Gere I just couldn't bring myself to listen that long, my gags and heaves made me shut it off. So, he rhymes "here' with "Gere"? Now, isn't that special? Very "special" indeed. I couldn't even be upset I was too busy laughing. | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: squirrelgrease said: That is one huge steaming pile of ebola.
I know that's a hyperbolic metaphor, but it isn't THAT bad. The hell it ain't! Squirrelgrease was being too damn kind!! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: FruitToAttractBears said: I know that's a hyperbolic metaphor, but it isn't THAT bad. The hell it ain't! Squirrelgrease was being too damn kind!! Don't make me post pics. " | |
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AvramsDad said: RumAndRaisin said: i hope prince sues him. that is utter rubbish. i never understood why all the chavs like that rubbish
Mommy what's a chav? Rude slang term.  | |
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I did some research and found this on Nolo.com:
The process of getting permission from the owners of the sampled music is referred to as "sample clearance." When you sample music from a pop recording, you'll need two clearances: one from the copyright owner of the song, who is usually a music publisher, and the other from the copyright owner of the master tapes, which is usually a record company.... http://www.nolo.com/artic...0/238/ART/ Does Prince own his publishing? perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: I did some research and found this on Nolo.com:
The process of getting permission from the owners of the sampled music is referred to as "sample clearance." When you sample music from a pop recording, you'll need two clearances: one from the copyright owner of the song, who is usually a music publisher, and the other from the copyright owner of the master tapes, which is usually a record company.... http://www.nolo.com/artic...0/238/ART/ Does Prince own his publishing? yes, but at the moment, i think it's licensed to or handeled by Universal. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: SexyBeautifulOne said: The hell it ain't! Squirrelgrease was being too damn kind!! Don't make me post pics. Go right ahead! They can't be more unbearable than the images of the video for this shit that I'm imagining is sure to come.  | |
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Raze said: bellanoche said: I did some research and found this on Nolo.com:
The process of getting permission from the owners of the sampled music is referred to as "sample clearance." When you sample music from a pop recording, you'll need two clearances: one from the copyright owner of the song, who is usually a music publisher, and the other from the copyright owner of the master tapes, which is usually a record company.... http://www.nolo.com/artic...0/238/ART/ Does Prince own his publishing? yes, but at the moment, i think it's licensed to or handeled by Universal. They "administer" his publishing. Which is basically the same as the way an office has an "adminstrative assistant". Meaning they do all the work and get paid (by him), but have no rights to any of it. I believe Prince has owned all his own publishing from day one. He understood copyright law going in. 
I don't think anyone can take away your publishing rights if you own the copyright. Although I guess some gave their rights away....  Ask where they're going, they'll tell U – "Nowhere"
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: I think your mistaken...can anyone else clarify this for us? ----- He is not mistaken. P has even mentioned this in interviews. You have to pay for the music but you don't have to ask permission to cover a song. umm...are you sure? raze or paisley16? Space for sale... | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
I fully agree. Prince needs to sue the hell out of somebody! I wonder if he knows that this song is out there. If so, why hasn't he sued? | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
P.S. It shows you how no talent having people, have to get rich quick off the truly talented by using their popular songs to write rap lyrics etc. they cant come up with their own stuff cause they don't have the talent to write anything good and original | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
P.S. did you hear about how Ginuine did a 2006 version of When Does Cry? it's old news but i wondered if you heard about that. Prince found out and was pissed. He was talking about it when musicology came out. He talked about it in his Rolling Stone magazine intervies | |
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Shawnt24 said:[quote] Maxx said: purplehippieonthe1 said: Unfortunately this is incorrect. As long as the talentless hack pays WB for the use of the music (which they own) then nobody (not even WB) can stop them. The reason we don't hear Prince songs in advertisements is simply because nobody has felt the need to use them. Yet... But with as much as Prince has done to change the industry, with the artist empowerment coalition and all, what makes you think Prince or nobody can stop this shit. Coouldn't Prince give a statement about being outraged to a popular magizine or do an interview hence manipulate the press somehow to get vindication or at least give these hacks a bad rep or something? I mean Prince rarely lets anybody redo one of his songs. If he has copyright ownership rights, cant he fight them and claim unauthorized sampling or copying of his song? I mean that song except for a few rap lyrics is cleary a rip off. The beat is extremely similar to Diamonds and Pearls. he uses a lot of Prince;s song and a lot of Prince's lyrics as background music Slightly off topic, but Volkswagon used Housequake for a beetle commercial. When I was on dailymotion looking for videos I came across it. | |
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Guys....Some of you hip hop haters may not be aware, but there is such a thing as a mixtape...Its more than likely that Wayne's song is basically an unofficial release..When folks do shit for mixtapes, there is no need for sample or publishing clearance.... | |
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adorable2 said: Of course now this thread will turn into a copy or a publishing.copyright contract....
Yes... It seems that I've had a hand in sparking a bit of a debate. And one with much grey area at that. I'll have to do some research on the issue after the weekend (I'm off to see Buddy Guy in Omaha!!). I'm fairly certain, however, that once a song has been released to the public it can be re-recorded and released by another artist regardless of permission - for a fee (paid to the owner of the copyright). The owner of the publishing rights would not likely have a say in the matter as those rights only cover printed material (lyrics, sheet music, etc...) Also - there is a big difference between sampling another artists work, and re-recording it (or a portion of it) for use within their own work. As an example... Recently when Meat Loaf released his "Bat Out Of Hell III" album there was a load of controversy surrounding the material he chose. Composer Jim Steinman (who wrote the first two Bat albums entirely) had dropped out of the project, taking his songs with him. However Meat and new producer Desmond Child were able to include a number of Steinmans songs on the new album as the songs had all been previously released by other artists. And while a court battle did arise over the rights to the phrase "Bat Out Of Hell" (which Steinman owns - but Meat, effectively, won the case), no legal action could be taken concerning the songs. In addition - Steinmans lyrics were also printed in the CD booklet, so publishing rights must not count for much either. Also - does anyone remember when Weird Al did "Almish Paradise"? Coolio threw a shit-fit every chance he got. But he couldn't do anything about it because Al had done nothing illegal. I'll find some solid sources when I get back... "You've got a million dollar smile, but you can't buy time...
When you're running away, and you're a step behind..." ~Maxx | |
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PurpleGenius said: FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
P.S. did you hear about how Ginuine did a 2006 version of When Does Cry? it's old news but i wondered if you heard about that. Prince found out and was pissed. He was talking about it when musicology came out. He talked about it in his Rolling Stone magazine intervies Oh boy, have I got sensitive bowels today! Let's lighten up here! | |
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that was horrible
These no-talent rappers should not be allowed to get anywhere near Prince's music!! | |
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I'm sorry, I didn't even last 22 seconds on that pure SHIT.
WHAT in the SAM FUCKING HELL ON WHEELS???   
. [Edited 6/1/07 3:01am]   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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That is dire. U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took. | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: squirrelgrease said: That is one huge steaming pile of ebola.
I know that's a hyperbolic metaphor, but it isn't THAT bad. it's THAT bad | |
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FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
Sweet jebus... Every goddam time. This shit happens because PRINCE ALLOWED IT. Is it so hard to look up the rules on "clearing samples"? Learn about music publishing -- you'd think Prince fans would have done considering their hero talks about the music biz all the time, but nooooo. http://www.mpa.org/ http://www.nmpa.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/w...r_music%29 There is a huge difference between a record deal and a publishing deal and you can easily look it up. But I guess it's far easier to just badmouth the record company that spent MILLIONS on Prince and allowed him more freedom than just about any artist ever. Why educate yourself when you can just be prejudiced, right? Ignorance is bliss, I guess. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Maxx said: adorable2 said: Of course now this thread will turn into a copy or a publishing.copyright contract....
Yes... It seems that I've had a hand in sparking a bit of a debate. And one with much grey area at that. I'll have to do some research on the issue after the weekend (I'm off to see Buddy Guy in Omaha!!). I'm fairly certain, however, that once a song has been released to the public it can be re-recorded and released by another artist regardless of permission - for a fee (paid to the owner of the copyright). The owner of the publishing rights would not likely have a say in the matter as those rights only cover printed material (lyrics, sheet music, etc...) Also - there is a big difference between sampling another artists work, and re-recording it (or a portion of it) for use within their own work. As an example... Recently when Meat Loaf released his "Bat Out Of Hell III" album there was a load of controversy surrounding the material he chose. Composer Jim Steinman (who wrote the first two Bat albums entirely) had dropped out of the project, taking his songs with him. However Meat and new producer Desmond Child were able to include a number of Steinmans songs on the new album as the songs had all been previously released by other artists. And while a court battle did arise over the rights to the phrase "Bat Out Of Hell" (which Steinman owns - but Meat, effectively, won the case), no legal action could be taken concerning the songs. In addition - Steinmans lyrics were also printed in the CD booklet, so publishing rights must not count for much either. Also - does anyone remember when Weird Al did "Almish Paradise"? Coolio threw a shit-fit every chance he got. But he couldn't do anything about it because Al had done nothing illegal. I'll find some solid sources when I get back... but covering a song and sampling a song have nothing to do with using a song for a commercial. thats what i was hoping for clarification on. Space for sale... | |
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Yeah...
Remember the lines from White Mansion.... "Sell my publishing? What a laugh!" ~Prince The road you choose to walk in this life, is a road that leads to the next..... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: FruitToAttractBears said: So shit like THIS can never happen.
Sweet jebus... Every goddam time. This shit happens because PRINCE ALLOWED IT. Is it so hard to look up the rules on "clearing samples"? Learn about music publishing -- you'd think Prince fans would have done considering their hero talks about the music biz all the time, but nooooo. http://www.mpa.org/ http://www.nmpa.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/w...r_music%29 There is a huge difference between a record deal and a publishing deal and you can easily look it up. But I guess it's far easier to just badmouth the record company that spent MILLIONS on Prince and allowed him more freedom than just about any artist ever. Why educate yourself when you can just be prejudiced, right? Ignorance is bliss, I guess. You can't really believe that... " | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Sweet jebus... Every goddam time. This shit happens because PRINCE ALLOWED IT. You are probably right... however sampling doesn't necessarily legally require the permission of the artist that was sampled... take the Beastie Boys example, when they ripped off James Newton http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ng_lawsuit... the justification is that they had permission to use the sound recording... and they did not violate the "song" copyright (which the artist has... and the record company owns the sound recording copyright) ... ie they didn't sample enough of the original song to violate the "song" copyright... In this case it seems like they are definitely using the original "song" (the original composition)... so I'm guessing they got Prince's permission... [Edited 6/1/07 7:23am] | |
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bellanoche said: I did some research and found this on Nolo.com:
The process of getting permission from the owners of the sampled music is referred to as "sample clearance." When you sample music from a pop recording, you'll need two clearances: one from the copyright owner of the song, who is usually a music publisher, and the other from the copyright owner of the master tapes, which is usually a record company.... This is generally true, and the safest way to clear samples... But sometimes I think you can get away with just clearing the sound recording... | |
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If something is copywritten, u do need to get a liscense to use it which is the same as asking permission. | |
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