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Thread started 05/22/07 2:36am

bonedaddy

Vinyl EXPERTS Love or $

This has bugged me for so long, and nobody seems to know what I am talking about, but am I the only person who is aware of 2 versions of Love or $?

I have 2 copies of Kiss 12" and they are identical in EVERY way, except for the fact that one of them has a longer version of Love or $, which I still find really strange as there is no description saying it is any different.

Anybody?
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Reply #1 posted 05/22/07 2:40am

NouveauDance

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Yep. There is a 7" edit and the long version on the 12", same with Alexa de Paris.
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Reply #2 posted 05/22/07 2:46am

machinegun

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in the UK I was only aware of one 12", which has the extended version of love or $ which is what i have, and the short version on the 7". Did not know there are 2 different 12" singles around though. seems silly.
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Reply #3 posted 05/22/07 4:40am

bonedaddy

machinegun said:

in the UK I was only aware of one 12", which has the extended version of love or $ which is what i have, and the short version on the 7". Did not know there are 2 different 12" singles around though. seems silly.


That's my point, they are EXACTLY the same, even same cat.no. but there is no mention that the b-side is any different. Nothing says 7" version, extended version, edit, nothing.
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Reply #4 posted 05/22/07 4:53am

machinegun

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bonedaddy said:

machinegun said:

in the UK I was only aware of one 12", which has the extended version of love or $ which is what i have, and the short version on the 7". Did not know there are 2 different 12" singles around though. seems silly.


That's my point, they are EXACTLY the same, even same cat.no. but there is no mention that the b-side is any different. Nothing says 7" version, extended version, edit, nothing.


well, that's gotta be unintentional - you may have a valuable rarity there perhaps? A bit like the 4 track Paisley Park 12". I can't remember if my Kiss 12" actually says long version for Love or Money or not though I know it is. I'll check when I'm home.
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Reply #5 posted 05/22/07 5:17am

SlamGlam

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how much longer?
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Reply #6 posted 05/22/07 6:56am

SMARTYSOFT

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machinegun said:

bonedaddy said:



That's my point, they are EXACTLY the same, even same cat.no. but there is no mention that the b-side is any different. Nothing says 7" version, extended version, edit, nothing.


well, that's gotta be unintentional - you may have a valuable rarity there perhaps? A bit like the 4 track Paisley Park 12". I can't remember if my Kiss 12" actually says long version for Love or Money or not though I know it is. I'll check when I'm home.



dag
i'm going to have to check mine now!
If I could be muse 2 the Pharoah......
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Reply #7 posted 05/22/07 7:38am

Giovanni777

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uh... mine's 12" extended.

; )
"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #8 posted 05/22/07 7:40am

gemini13

Giovanni777 said:

uh... mine's 12" extended.

; )



Mine too.
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Reply #9 posted 05/22/07 7:41am

jess555ja

gemini13 said:

Giovanni777 said:

uh... mine's 12" extended.

; )



Mine too.

Me three.
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Reply #10 posted 05/22/07 8:08am

SquirrelMeat

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As a standard, the extended version was on the US 12", while the edit was on the European 12".


Bonedaddy, are the two versions of the 12" you refer to European or US prints?
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Reply #11 posted 05/22/07 9:10am

bonedaddy

SquirrelMeat said:

As a standard, the extended version was on the US 12", while the edit was on the European 12".


Bonedaddy, are the two versions of the 12" you refer to European or US prints?


I'll inspect them later, when I get home.
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Reply #12 posted 05/22/07 9:12am

RodeoSchro

jess555ja said:

gemini13 said:




Mine too.

Me three.


Who's isn't?
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Reply #13 posted 05/22/07 10:27am

spaceboy

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There is an version that says Love or Money 3:57 which is actually 7:16. It's from 1988 (UK)

http://sleevographia2.fre...0GBR31.htm
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Reply #14 posted 05/22/07 2:17pm

DirtyChris

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I love this song
ever since I heard it
in UTCM

for some strange reason
I always thought it
was on the album...

I need to find this ASAP
I thought I had all of the
bsides from that time sad
"be who you are and say what you feel
because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."
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Reply #15 posted 05/22/07 2:30pm

bonedaddy

Right, I'm assuming this is a UK 12" version of 'Kiss - extended version' I'm saying 'this' as they both are identical, like I said. (W8751T, with 920442-0 underneath) if this is useful?
The covers are the same, every detail.
The vinyl label is the same, every detail. But on one version, Love or $ takes about 2/3 of the side and the other one takes up the whole playing side.
Just assumed it would say something different somewhere, at least give track lengths or something?
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Reply #16 posted 05/22/07 2:35pm

bonedaddy

spaceboy said:

There is an version that says Love or Money 3:57 which is actually 7:16. It's from 1988 (UK)

http://sleevographia2.fre...0GBR31.htm


No, mines got white 'A' label, black 'B' label, and is 1986 WEA
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Reply #17 posted 05/22/07 3:08pm

BorisFishpaw

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^ has one got a pic of Wendy on the back, and the other one just have a plain black back with white writing?
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Reply #18 posted 05/22/07 3:09pm

bonedaddy

BorisFishpaw said:

^ has one got a pic of Wendy on the back, and the other one just have a plain black back with white writing?


Indeed not! they are both the same, with Wendy
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Reply #19 posted 05/22/07 3:15pm

BorisFishpaw

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Right... they're both 1986 UK 12's.

There was actually a mistake with the pressing of this, hence the 2 versions.

The fist batches were pressed with the regular short version of Love or Money
on the b-side of the 12". This is the more common version. This was later
corrected to the Extended Version on later batches (which is how it always
should've been). The 1988 re-release (without Wendy on the back) was only
issued correctly with the long version.

So original 1986 UK 12"s with the long version of Love Or Money are slightly
rarer than the the versions with the short version. However, they never
corrected the labels, so the only way to tell is to play it (or look at the groove
length).
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Reply #20 posted 05/22/07 3:28pm

bonedaddy

BorisFishpaw said:

Right... they're both 1986 UK 12's.

There was actually a mistake with the pressing of this, hence the 2 versions.

The fist batches were pressed with the regular short version of Love or Money
on the b-side of the 12". This is the more common version. This was later
corrected to the Extended Version on later batches (which is how it always
should've been). The 1988 re-release (without Wendy on the back) was only
issued correctly with the long version.

So original 1986 UK 12"s with the long version of Love Or Money are slightly
rarer than the the versions with the short version. However, they never
corrected the labels, so the only way to tell is to play it (or look at the groove
length).


Thanks, at last someone with an answer! I did try to find out, but not in the right places obviously. Well, this was the right place in the end.
Not particularly special then? Better than just having the one version though, I guess
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Reply #21 posted 05/22/07 3:45pm

BorisFishpaw

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Yes, not that special I'm afraid. Though a lot of people aren't even aware of
this particular dual pressing (even collectors!). So it's difficult to guage how
rare it really is.

It was a mix up that only happened with the UK pressing,. When it was
originally sent to be pressed, the extended version of the b-side had been
mislaid or hadn't arrived, and WB UK were unaware that they were missing it.
So they just pressed them up with the regular 7" version on the b-side. Only
after it had been in the chart for a while was the mistake spotted and corrected.
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Reply #22 posted 05/22/07 4:38pm

AdmiralAdama

BorisFishpaw said:

^ has one got a pic of Wendy on the back, and the other one just have a plain black back with white writing?



A little off topic, but that ain't Wendy! wink
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Reply #23 posted 05/22/07 6:29pm

BorisFishpaw

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AdmiralAdama said:

BorisFishpaw said:

^ has one got a pic of Wendy on the back, and the other one just have a plain black back with white writing?



A little off topic, but that ain't Wendy! wink


I can assure you that it is....


[Edited 5/23/07 1:33am]
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Reply #24 posted 05/22/07 11:19pm

chewymusic

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Oh yes! I remember when I got the Kiss 12" as a UK
import about 2 weeks before it was released here in
US. It even came with a poster of the cover picture.
It was the one with the short version of Love Or Money.
The funny thing is that I didn't know there was an
exteneded version until my friend Rev was singing those
lines about vasaline slide and mayonaise, Revolution
get on the bus. I'm like: what's that shit your singing
and he would say it was from the Love Or Money 12" and
I am like there is no Prince singing about mayonaise on
Love Or Money and he, of course having the US release with
the extended version insisting that was where he got it
from. He had to bring his record over to my house and play
it for me lol
Then I went out and got that one nod
"Hyperactive when I was small, Hyperactive now I'm grown, Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone"
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ___

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Reply #25 posted 05/23/07 1:53am

spaceboy

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BorisFishpaw said:

AdmiralAdama said:




A little off topic, but that ain't Wendy! wink


I can assure you that it is....


[Edited 5/23/07 1:33am]



Always assumed it was Wendy but Sussanah is also an option:-)
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Reply #26 posted 05/23/07 2:05am

bonedaddy

spaceboy said:

BorisFishpaw said:



I can assure you that it is....


[Edited 5/23/07 1:33am]



Always assumed it was Wendy but Sussanah is also an option:-)


one word 'mole'
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Reply #27 posted 05/23/07 2:41am

CalhounSq

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BorisFishpaw said:

AdmiralAdama said:




A little off topic, but that ain't Wendy! wink


I can assure you that it is....


[Edited 5/23/07 1:33am]

That's WENDY...
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #28 posted 05/23/07 9:07am

SlamGlam

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chewymusic said:


I am like there is no Prince singing about mayonaise



lol only prince... mayonaise
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