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Printablejtfolden said: jacobpb said: It is very much a fundamental aspect-- who you know, personal experience means nothing in the face of thousands of years of religious texts/doctrine/studies.
To state that proselytizing is a fundamental aspect of ALL religions shows you either lacking understanding of proselytizing or lack knowledge on various religions. Just off the top of my head, Zoroastrians do not proselytize. It is not a part of their belief system. There are more than a few neo-pagan religions which avoid it, as well. Likewise the enlightened worldview held by some of being "nonjudgemental and open to all, saying nothing's better than the other" because it may hurt another's feelings, is hypersensitive and not real. It's not honest. People make judgements/discriminations EVERYDAY to a greater or lesser extent from the stores one chooses to shop, channels they watch, etc. Understand, telling one "you're gonna burn in Hell" or chewing on burgers in Hindu house isn't going to effectively build bridges. But for billions of people the world over, they are not going to compromise their belief systems and accept another's because it may make them feel bad. It's called a celebration of diversity.
I don't disagree with any of that. Gee you're right and probably the cult of wiccans down the road don't either. The majority do, and in fact many are killing for just that. | |
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jacobpb said: Gee you're right and probably the cult of wiccans down the road don't either. The majority do, and in fact many are killing for just that. If the original post had said majority instead of all then I wouldn't have taken exception. I'd rather not see everyone painted with the same broad brush. That certainly doesn't help in a 'celebration of diversity'. | |
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jtfolden said: jacobpb said: Gee you're right and probably the cult of wiccans down the road don't either. The majority do, and in fact many are killing for just that. If the original post had said majority instead of all then I wouldn't have taken exception. I'd rather not see everyone painted with the same broad brush. That certainly doesn't help in a 'celebration of diversity'. If you want to use the site as the semantic cop, go ahead, I'd rather chat about more constructive bigger arguments. | |
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jacobpb said: If you want to use the site as the semantic cop, go ahead, I'd rather chat about more constructive bigger arguments.
That's pretty funny because no one is forcing you to comment on this particular issue and yet here you are. I'd rather not let blatant lies go unchecked. | |
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I would argue that in addition to religious dogma/doctrine I believe it's human nature to influence others to join one's group, be it the Jehovah Witness or the boyscouts. U want someone a part of it. And speaking of the boyscouts here's a group that blatantly exludes and restricts certain members of society. However it's not discriminatory by design, that's not the purpose just like the Puerto Rican Day Parade. But according to many's viewpoints I see in today's society, they want to deconstruct every institution and call it "judgemental" etc, and it stems from this muck of political correctedness. I just see it as a new conformity, based on feel good type philosphy. In this thread people have honestly expressed lack of respect or so much tolerance for Prince's beliefs and stating arguments why and that's cool. I believe everyone has certain prejudices against certain beliefs, I know I do. I've more respect for people that stand for what they believe in than those who don't know what they stand for or political correct drones who want to put a chilling effect on all dividing/judgmental speech. I think the press conference highlighted the
un objectivity of certain journalists. Just some thoughts... | |
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jacobpb said: viewpoints I see in today's society, they want to deconstruct every institution and call it "judgmental" etc, and it stems from this muck of political correctedness.
Calling something "judgmental" or "exclusionary" may just may be part of owning up to reality. The difference in this day and age is that we can label something what it is without having to cow-tow to any party line. Of course, people make judgments every day, both good and bad... you, or your organization, wouldn't function in society very well for very long without the ability to do so. However, in general, I see too many people that want to use religion as a scapegoat to get away with certain behaviors, opinions, or language in relation to others and then get a free pass simply because it's a 'religious belief'. What you do inside your own church or group is fine but once you step out into secular society with those beliefs then you should be prepared to face people that may not agree. Everyone is entitled to hold whatever belief they have, and others can respect that right without agreeing, condoning, or supporting it. I think the press conference highlighted the
un objectivity of certain journalists. Just some thoughts...[/b] I don't think what amounted to maybe 1 1/2 seconds of giggling from a couple of journalists can really be used to support any sort of statement about those people. If you look at the common perception of Prince held by people out in the mainstream they still see the racy singer who performed in butt-less pants. It seemed to me they probably took his statement to be a joke at first and then quieted down when they realized it wasn't... I didn't see a big deal either way in that press conference. | |
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SCNDLS said: powerfantastic2000 said: What does the Bible say about greed?
So Prince is being greedy by playing 21 nights in London for fans that have been begging him to come there for years and he's doing it all for 31 pounds = $61 AND including his new CD. Musicology was $75/show and Vegas was $125-312. Sounds like a damn bargain to me. How is that greedy? Greedy is Barbara Streisand charging 600 pounds = $1200 for tickets to her shows at the same venue in the UK. Goes to show that no matter what Prince does his supposed fans will find SOMETHING to criticize. Prince is not Greedy! | |
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girl66 said: SCNDLS said: So Prince is being greedy by playing 21 nights in London for fans that have been begging him to come there for years and he's doing it all for 31 pounds = $61 AND including his new CD. Musicology was $75/show and Vegas was $125-312. Sounds like a damn bargain to me. How is that greedy? Greedy is Barbara Streisand charging 600 pounds = $1200 for tickets to her shows at the same venue in the UK. Goes to show that no matter what Prince does his supposed fans will find SOMETHING to criticize. Prince is not Greedy! Just to be clear, I didn't say he was. | |
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SCNDLS said: girl66 said: Prince is not Greedy! Just to be clear, I didn't say he was. You were not the one implying that he was  | |
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