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Thread started 05/07/07 7:37pm

luvsexy4all

"I didn't write Purple Rain"

WHY?

Isn't it strange he relinquished control
over such an integral promotional scheme?

Being such a control freak of his music and image, was it because WB was footin the bill? And, since he had no history with the movie industry , he had to suck it up and let them run things?

Or his script was too bizarre and underdeveloped to be used?
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Reply #1 posted 05/07/07 7:38pm

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yes, and some people like cucumbers pickled.
cream.
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Reply #2 posted 05/08/07 9:26am

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I wrote Purple Rain.
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Reply #3 posted 05/08/07 9:32am

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squirrelgrease said:

I wrote Purple Rain.


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Reply #4 posted 05/08/07 9:43am

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robertes71 said:

squirrelgrease said:

I wrote Purple Rain.


"...and IIIII HELPED!"


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Reply #5 posted 05/08/07 11:38am

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P didn't write Purple Rain. Was his ideas used? Of course. But did he write the actual screenplay? No.
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Reply #6 posted 05/08/07 4:20pm

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He didn't? wow! lol
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Reply #7 posted 05/08/07 4:44pm

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luvsexy4all said:

WHY?

Isn't it strange he relinquished control
over such an integral promotional scheme?

Being such a control freak of his music and image, was it because WB was footin the bill? And, since he had no history with the movie industry , he had to suck it up and let them run things?

Or his script was too bizarre and underdeveloped to be used?


Strange? As we now know, Prince can't write a screenplay and he obviously realized this himself at the time... so are you suggesting, he should have tanked his only chance at stardom?
lol lol

BTW, WB did NOT 'foot the bill'.
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Reply #8 posted 05/08/07 7:13pm

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jtfolden said:

luvsexy4all said:

WHY?

Isn't it strange he relinquished control
over such an integral promotional scheme?

Being such a control freak of his music and image, was it because WB was footin the bill? And, since he had no history with the movie industry , he had to suck it up and let them run things?

Or his script was too bizarre and underdeveloped to be used?


Strange? As we now know, Prince can't write a screenplay and he obviously realized this himself at the time... so are you suggesting, he should have tanked his only chance at stardom?
lol lol

BTW, WB did NOT 'foot the bill'.


haha... I don't think his idea for "The Kid" to be a drug addict wouldn't have gone over very well. But the guy's mind works in the bizarrest (is that even a word lol ?) ways, so I can't say that I'm surprised.
I'm admitting he didn't write it is just being truthful. He proved ideas for it, but he didnt write the script and such. But the fact he's happy with it is great cuz I'm certainly happy with it.


If it weren't for the 2nd half of the movie, I wouldn't have seen him for the musical genius he is (we're going back a year or so here) and eventually have come here.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #9 posted 05/08/07 7:52pm

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If you don't have it already, get it and watch the Purple Rain Special Edition 2 disc dvd. It talks about it.
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Reply #10 posted 05/08/07 8:32pm

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jtfolden said:


BTW, WB did NOT 'foot the bill'.


sure they did. According to Per Nilsen's DMSR, it was WB Records Chairman Mo Ostin who loaned his management the money for production. And WB spent millions of dollars making sure it was a success. It probably couldn't have been done without them.
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Reply #11 posted 05/08/07 9:03pm

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paisley16 said:



sure they did. According to Per Nilsen's DMSR, it was WB Records Chairman Mo Ostin who loaned his management the money for production. And WB spent millions of dollars making sure it was a success. It probably couldn't have been done without them.


Eeh, not exactly... but maybe I should be more specific. Ostin lent them money to greenlight the project but as they went into production they neither had the support of the Warner Film Division or a distributor agreement - nothing. Ostin was part of the music division, and the music division doesn't deal in movies. If something had gone horribly awry then PR might have ended up an extremely expensive long form music video. lol

Prince's camp was the one running the show. It wasn't until the very end, indeed at the time of the WRAP PARTY, after primary filming had finished, that Cavallo and Fargnoli FINALLY got complete financial support from WB and commitmentment to distribute it. Until that point, WB proper really didn't have anything directly to do with it. I'm sure this unstable situation helped make doubly sure that the film would be a high quality product.
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Reply #12 posted 05/08/07 10:24pm

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jtfolden said:

paisley16 said:



sure they did. According to Per Nilsen's DMSR, it was WB Records Chairman Mo Ostin who loaned his management the money for production. And WB spent millions of dollars making sure it was a success. It probably couldn't have been done without them.


Eeh, not exactly... but maybe I should be more specific. Ostin lent them money to greenlight the project but as they went into production they neither had the support of the Warner Film Division or a distributor agreement - nothing. Ostin was part of the music division, and the music division doesn't deal in movies. If something had gone horribly awry then PR might have ended up an extremely expensive long form music video. lol

Prince's camp was the one running the show. It wasn't until the very end, indeed at the time of the WRAP PARTY, after primary filming had finished, that Cavallo and Fargnoli FINALLY got complete financial support from WB and commitmentment to distribute it. Until that point, WB proper really didn't have anything directly to do with it. I'm sure this unstable situation helped make doubly sure that the film would be a high quality product.


gotcha. that is correct.
My point was that there was a WB connection from the beginning- providing the cash. I also think it's important to recognize that Prince may not have become the superstar he is w/o WB. I support what he has done, to be "free", but the money he made with WB allows him to do that. It is not as simple for new acts starting out. I also worry that younger folks don't understand what the music industry once was...and the efforts and dollars spent to develop (and promote) acts into the stars we have with us today. I could go on with my disappointment and worries about the music industry of today, but I guess that's another thread. biggrin (John Mellencamp lays it out pretty good in a recent "Hangin With" episode. On one hand, he sounds a bit like Prince, disillusioned, but he also understands the changes in the business and wants his music heard. Prince will on one hand say he doesn't need the business to make money, he just wants to make music, but then brag how he makes more money now selling less records. neutral )
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Reply #13 posted 05/09/07 1:35am

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

jtfolden said:



Strange? As we now know, Prince can't write a screenplay and he obviously realized this himself at the time... so are you suggesting, he should have tanked his only chance at stardom?
lol lol

BTW, WB did NOT 'foot the bill'.


haha... I don't think his idea for "The Kid" to be a drug addict wouldn't have gone over very well. But the guy's mind works in the bizarrest (is that even a word lol ?) ways, so I can't say that I'm surprised.
I'm admitting he didn't write it is just being truthful. He proved ideas for it, but he didnt write the script and such. But the fact he's happy with it is great cuz I'm certainly happy with it.


If it weren't for the 2nd half of the movie, I wouldn't have seen him for the musical genius he is (we're going back a year or so here) and eventually have come here.

Wait! who wamted him 2 b a drug addict? confuse
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Reply #14 posted 05/09/07 5:32am

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Honestly Lets go back to 1983.

Prince was a 25 year old kid... & he was Black. He was going to be the LEAD in a major film from a major company!!

Spike Lee said he got into making movies because of Purple Rain. When he saw a ALL Black Cast for a major mainstream movie with a Black artist with his name over the title. He knew he had a chance to get his films made.

so They werent going to let him write the movie too!! Remember the time.

But Prince basically wrote the treatment for the film.
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Reply #15 posted 05/09/07 8:07am

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KidaDynamite said:

Wait! who wamted him 2 b a drug addict? confuse


that was Prince's idea... that's why I said it wouldn't have worked.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #16 posted 05/09/07 8:10am

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jtfolden said:

luvsexy4all said:

WHY?

Isn't it strange he relinquished control
over such an integral promotional scheme?

Being such a control freak of his music and image, was it because WB was footin the bill? And, since he had no history with the movie industry , he had to suck it up and let them run things?

Or his script was too bizarre and underdeveloped to be used?


Strange? As we now know, Prince can't write a screenplay and he obviously realized this himself at the time... so are you suggesting, he should have tanked his only chance at stardom?
lol lol

BTW, WB did NOT 'foot the bill'.



ONLY chance at stardom?

I never said he SHOULDNT have gone along with the program, I was merely speculating
about his control issues.
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Reply #17 posted 05/09/07 11:04am

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

KidaDynamite said:

Wait! who wamted him 2 b a drug addict? confuse


that was Prince's idea... that's why I said it wouldn't have worked.


Where did you get this info?
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Reply #18 posted 05/09/07 11:16am

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And he didn't direct it either. And it was a huge success. hmm...
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Reply #19 posted 05/09/07 3:40pm

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jtfolden said:

DreamyPopRoyalty said:



that was Prince's idea... that's why I said it wouldn't have worked.


Where did you get this info?


People will probably get me with pitchforks for this, but wikipedia's page said something like
"one of his earlier ideas was for his character to be a drug addict"
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #20 posted 05/09/07 3:46pm

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

jtfolden said:



Where did you get this info?


People will probably get me with pitchforks for this, but wikipedia's page said something like "one of his earlier ideas was for his character to be a drug addict"


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Im kidding .. lol ..
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Reply #21 posted 05/09/07 4:14pm

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Well, he's a musician first. To come out and be a musician and a scriptwriter would just be careerist....
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Reply #22 posted 05/09/07 6:46pm

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

jtfolden said:



Where did you get this info?


People will probably get me with pitchforks for this, but wikipedia's page said something like
"one of his earlier ideas was for his character to be a drug addict"


Hmmm, I'll have to look at that because I've never heard that before and it sounds rather un-Prince like given that PR was supposed to be semi-autobiographical. If they don't have a source listed then it's hard to say where that comes from.

Edit To Add: Yeah, I just checked that out and there's no source listed for that info so I edited the page and request one. There's been quite a few bits of misinformation about Prince on Wikipedia but I try to correct it and source it as I see it. I'm not saying this info is wrong or right, I just don't remember ever hearing that part of it before.
[Edited 5/9/07 18:55pm]
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