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Is The Rainbow Children a racist album? I did read it in some reviews, what do you think about it?  In God we trust. | |
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I don't think so. I doubt (from the lyrics) that P set out to discriminate. You might disagree with what he's saying, but I don't think he's crossing any serious lines. | |
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For some reason the title of this thread made me laugh!   Anyway no I don't think it is, the thought never even crossed my mind."Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee |
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Aloisio said: I did read it in some reviews, what do you think about it?
In what way? "Family Name" could be construed as anti-semitic on first listen | |
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oh brother.... | |
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LittleSmedley said: Aloisio said: I did read it in some reviews, what do you think about it?
In what way? "Family Name" could be construed as anti-semitic on first listen Only on the first listen? I've heard that song any number of times now...and I still think it is. But I'd rather not open that can of worms again. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: LittleSmedley said: In what way? "Family Name" could be construed as anti-semitic on first listen Only on the first listen? I've heard that song any number of times now...and I still think it is. But I'd rather not open that can of worms again. 
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Musically TRC is a fantastic album. His guitar work is amazing and I love the vibe of most songs. Lyrically, it's another story. He seemed so caught up in all his new JW knowledge and it definitely comes out in the lyrics. As far as racist, I wouldn't go that far, but I do see how some might take them that way. | |
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moderatorEmpress said: Musically TRC is a fantastic album. His guitar work is amazing and I love the vibe of most songs. Lyrically, it's another story. He seemed so caught up in all his new JW knowledge and it definitely comes out in the lyrics. As far as racist, I wouldn't go that far, but I do see how some might take them that way.
So, to paraphrase the bumper sticker: His dogma ran over his karma. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review | |
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datdude said: no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review
Thanks for straightening that out for us dude. We need more people like you in this world  | |
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datdude said: no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review
Intelligent comment datdude 
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datdude said: no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review
Right. Because it's so much deeper to be dismissive of those whose interpretation differs from one's own. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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callmej5 said: datdude said: no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review
Intelligent comment datdude
someone just imus-ed himself. | |
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Aloisio said: I did read it in some reviews, what do you think about it?
HELL no..... | |
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Empress said: datdude said: no it isn't, only clueless white folks ill-equipped to understand complex issues related to race, slavery and oppression would accuse TRC of being such an album. should be a clue to the depth (or lack thereof) of the writer (and the mag. or paper) where u read that inane review
Thanks for straightening that out for us dude. We need more people like you in this world 
no shit huh? "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Anx said: callmej5 said: Intelligent comment datdude
someone just imus-ed himself. A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise. | |
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callmej5 said: Anx said: someone just imus-ed himself. OMG, Ditto!!! | |
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callmej5 said: Anx said: someone just imus-ed himself. Actually...I believe that was a reverse Imus. Degree of difficulty 2.3 We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: callmej5 said: Actually...I believe that was a reverse Imus. Degree of difficulty 2.3 a Sumi? | |
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Anx said: Genesia said: Actually...I believe that was a reverse Imus. Degree of difficulty 2.3 a Sumi? 
In pike position. Too bad he didn't point his toes on the entry -- I'd've given him a 10. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Rhondab said: oh brother....
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I'm not sure about racist, but it's most definitely sexist and judgmental, as all religious albums must be. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Racism involves hate and I don't think Prince hates any other race, so the answer is no. | |
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Well the album closes with a song about everyone coming together as one, so I really don't see any sign of hatred, either. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: Well the album closes with a song about everyone coming together as one, so I really don't see any sign of hatred, either.
I was just about to say this. The album ends with a repeating "one one one..." Seems pretty all inclusive, when you're talking about all the people of the world. My Legacy
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I wouldn't say it's racist, or for that matter, necessarily sexist either. But Prince definitely showed some poor judgement lyrically in how he presented certain themes and ideas. There's no such thing as a topic that's too sensitive -the key is in the approach you use in getting your message across and in spite of all his best efforts, Prince fumbled on this one. There's also the fact that he'd dove headfirst into a new religion at the time, and like many new converts was more than a bit overzealous in his newfound Truth. He's since settled down a bit, thank J.
Still a well-done, creative showing though. And I like Family Name, dammit.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: I wouldn't say it's racist, or for that matter, necessarily sexist either. But Prince definitely showed some poor judgement lyrically in how he presented certain themes and ideas. There's no such thing as a topic that's too sensitive -the key is in the approach you use in getting your message across and in spite of all his best efforts, Prince fumbled on this one. There's also the fact that he'd dove headfirst into a new religion at the time, and like many new converts was more than a bit overzealous in his newfound Truth. He's since settled down a bit, thank J.
Still a well-done, creative showing though. And I like Family Name, dammit. Yes, Prince still likes to shock, and he likes to express creative ideas, but he (IMO) doesn't have the lyrical chops to pull it off all the time. P Control is a good example of him missing the mark (again in my opinion, only). But in the end, music is more important than lyrics, to me, and as long as I don't think he's actually spouting racist philosophy (which I think Last December makes clear) he can get away with some crappy lyrics set to hot music. he always has (see The Beautiful Ones) My Legacy
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Rhondab said: oh brother....
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