wonder505 said:

well I know it's not new. perhaps "growing belief" was the wrong term. I had this discussion in class almost 15 years ago.[/quote]


i think it is well known

SlamGlam said:

slam..that's only because these things happened at different periods in time.

My father knew his great grandmother who was a slave. We have to stop thinking that ppl living today have REAL connection to slavery and thus slavery shouldn't be a big real today.


Both were ugly events in history and should have never taken place.

SlamGlam said:

The descendants of jews that were victims of the Holocaust make sure this country knows what their ancestors living or dead suffered during that holocaust. I can remember more than 30 years ago, watching films in school day in and day out, about the atrocities that took place in the concentration camps, People of the jewish faith make sure the world knows what happened to them. It's 2007 and the jews still make sure the world will never forget it.

Nothing wrong with that, but on the contrary I find it amazing that some people in this country, and other parts of the world, tells descendants of African/African American slaves to "get over it," as though what happened to their ancestors who had to experience those horrible atrocities and their descendants who had to live through segregation and Jim Crow laws, and still experience racial discrimination, doesn't matter or they turn a "blind eye to it.....amazing, bewildering and very "insenstive."...still "sweeping it under the rug." Nothing new.

Sure it is, and you already knew that or you would'nt have asked the question, but plenty of Prince's music is and white people have not really complained about it which surprises me. How many times has he stated "Screaming like a WHITE LADY"? in Black sweat and nobody even asked what he means. He does it quite often in his music really.

wlcm2thdwn said:

Dancin' like a White Girl... on Disco, dirty floors...

SlamGlam said:

This is PURE non-sense.
#1. Prince or anyone else can FEEL anyway they want 2 about the situation
#2. 75 million Blacks died in during slavery, 6 million Jews died during the holocaust. U do that math
#3. Slavery was worst than the holocaust. That is a F A C T.
#4. The holocaust occured over a few years, Slavery 300 plus years
[Edited 4/27/07 9:50am]

2elijah said:

Exactly but what bothers me the most is the Holocaust which had a timeline of little more than a decade, didn't happen on American soil nor was it committed by Americans but Americans will condemn those atrocities to no end!

However, Americans can not and will not look within themselves under the same view when it concerns the atrocities that have a timeline spanning 4 damn near 5 centuries, were committed on American soil, by American people, to people brought to America and their descendants that were born in America!

I swear it just boggles the mind!
[Edited 4/27/07 10:07am]

SexyBeautifulOne said:

psh! that's a broad brush inwhich you paint! don't lump me into your categories please....I am an american and I can and DO look within myself when it comes to ALL atrocities.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

SexyBeautifulOne, do u make the distinction between the Americans who perpertrated these atrocities, most of them long gone, and those who haven't done anything, are as horrified at the events as you, but happen to be white?

Shorty said:

that's true. not all americans should be lumped in. however there is a "get over it" sentiment in America which no one would dare say to a Jewish person when both atrocities were horrible. that has just been my experience.
[Edited 4/27/07 10:14am]

wonder505 said:

yes...there is a "get over it" sentiment sometimes and that is not right.....but I honestly believe that has more to do with the distance between the atrocities...
I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying the hollacost was approx 62 years ago where slavery ended nearly 140 years ago and as has been pointed out was in full swing for hundreds of years b4 that.
I guess..kinda like pearl harbor vs 911. My grandmother was all about pearl harbor but growing up I was like ehh big deal...yeah that was bad but...I was not connected to it. Now I can totally see me being all about 911 but my sons being like ehh....big deal. I will do my best to relate to them the big picture but...they will not come to that on their own untill they are adults and unfortunatly probably not untill something equally horrific happens to them.

Shorty said:

My statement clearly reads.. "some" not all, rarely do I "generalize" and I can find many posts here where members have used "generalized" statements in regards to race issues, but on another note, Jim Crow laws were still in place less than 60 years ago;civil rights act is only 43 years old;racial discrimination is still in full force in this country, and yes because we do not live in a kumbaya society, it is truly up to each individual to reach inside themselves and stand up against discrimination of all forms regardless of who we are.
[Edited 4/27/07 10:42am]

Shorty said:

Interesting.....I was alive when NEITHER of my PARENTS could vote.

Rhondab said:[



which is part of why is it insensitive to make the comparison MUCH less say slavery is worst



that is not what i said at all. just that is is insinuative to say slavery was worst than the holocaust, hell. i almost got banned when i said an eternity is hell was worst that slavery...



i agree... the real sad truth is slavery is alive and well today

Shorty said:

I think maybe its a cultural difference. I know many black americans distance themselves from their ancestors who were slaves And for many families, storytelling is a big deal. I know it is for my family so you feel very connected to those from the past, no matter how distant. They are just as much family has your brother, sister, mother, etc are to you. I still feel the pain from when my dad talks about the stories his great grandmother told about being a slave. There's no disconnect because of it being centuries past. Hell it was my great great grandmother.

AND that one thing turned into another for black americans...from slavery to jim crow and some post civil rights covert racism that some don't believes happen. its all connected in the black experience.

It could be a cultural thing.

to some extend the 'get over it' mentality has more to do with it being used as an excuse for African Americas doing certain things. I would say blame institutionalized racism...as that is still an on-going problem. that way you can lump slavery in with racism today.

Graycap23 said:

yeah..some forget.

I know a woman who's uncle was the last man lynched in indiana....he survived the lynching attempt and is still living today. They had to cut him down from the tree.

SlamGlam said:

An excuse for doing certain things like what?

Graycap23 said:

So, if 18 white folks die in an a building fire and one black person, by your logic, I can justifiably feel more empathy for the white folks because there were more of them?
Also, #3 should read "Slavery was worse than the holocaust." I'll do the math, U do the english.

Pizzat said:

Ohh larwd.....

2elijah said:

crime, poverty, flunking out of school

Pizzat said:

over how long of a time... oh and there is not consensus that it was anywhere near 75milliom

2elijah said:

my comment was to sexybeautifulone NOT you 2elijah

Graycap23 said:

that's very unfortunate...and I do not mean any disrespect...but that's not slavery....it's not right either but..I'm just sayin'

SlamGlam said:

Whoops sorry the head count wasn't recorded correctly when they were hearding slaves on to ships like cattle. Oh and lets not for get the ones who got dumped over board in the Middle Passage because they got sick.

Rhondab said:

I think it certainly IS cultural differences. You know holocaust survivors families are probably well connected to that past too...
I guess the rest of us are the ones how have a hard time to relate.
I mean...I'm partially native American..but I can't claim that any of my family members pasted down any horrible stories. I wish they had.

LittleSmedley said:

No actually I don't because if you ask me those that are as horrified at the events as I am and happen to be white but don't do a damn but sit idly by talking about what they didn't do...are just as bad! If that's not you than I'm not talking about you!

I didn't have a damn thing to do with the Holocaust but that doesn't stop me from giving my support, time and money to causes that fight against Antisemitism!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

No .. not all Americans do that ..