Or should he put the Good Book away and concentrate on playing?

If he goes 'witnessing' while in England,he'll get a fw doors slammed in his face, he can come round to my house for milk and cookies though.

i'd wanna know would he really deny his offspring a blood transfusion in order to live? IMO that's Nuts!

but, each to their own i guess.

Nuts!
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I think he did it sparingly in the US. There's no reason to think he wouldn't do it with us in Europe. Ultimately, the tickets will aready have been sold, so he'll tell us 'the truth' however he feels it. The point is he's the artist and we're the audience. We listen to what he wants to say regardless of whether we want to or not. Doesn't mean we have to agree with it...

Anji said:

How would prince rea t to being "boooed" at his Bible moment? How would he react when there is NO encouragement for his Bible moment? That is a real possibility in Europe...remember he is touring Cardiff for the first time.

The tickets being sold does not mean that you can't object to that you are presented with. He can say what he wants, whether the audience chooses to listen is another matter entirely.

I understand your point but the booing has not stopped him before, so why would it now? It's a familiar scenario where the booers get booed back because in a concert scenario, the fans want to see Prince happy. It improves the performance if the vibe is good. Prince tends to win on this one, especially if they're small sized arenas where things are allowed to become more personal.

Anji, Would it not be more prudent of Prince to judge the audience rather than go for the bible part and get a negative reactgion. This will be the first European tour in which Prince has advocated a religion as opposed to a belief. Lovesexy worked splendidly in Europe becasue it called on a self belief and essentially secular notion, rather than the JW intransience that Prince has garnered this time around.

I agree with you, it certainly would be prudent for Prince to judge the audience reaction in Europe. All I'm saying is that he tends not to be so concerned with a few in the crowd especially when it comes down to him saying what he really wants to say. The fans tend to boo the naysayers regardless of what he says anyway just to keep the vibe good. Prince knows this and somewhat lives off it in concerts. The fans far outweigh the general public concert goers nowadays.

Agreed also that the Lovesexy message was more about spirituality than a specific religion but still, if he's got a story to tell, he'll tend to say it regardless. He's not too worried about the popularity contests anymore, he seems to have realised for the first time through NPGMC that he doesn't need to be. Hence, albums like The Rainbow Children and selling exclusively and mainly through the club rather than traditional mainstream outlets etc
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i'm hopefully going to see a great artist performing live,not a sodding Minister for the JW's.

I won't be impressed if i spent £98 on Religious rhetoric, i can get that for free on a Sunday if i wish to bore myself rigid.

Stick 2 the music P!

So does his being able to sell exclusively thru NPGMC mean that we're going to a concert or to a JW congress?

Prince, for once, seems sincere when he speaks of religion. In 1988 he was just searching for an idea. All this means is that he is going to alienate an element of his audience if he chooses to pursue the JW tract that has inseminated itself into his US shows.

This doesn't mean I'm not going to see him. All it means is that he is going to further marginalise himself in a world where he is already a non-entity.

Besides ... are concerts about belief and faith or about dancing and having fun?

For example, Prince said of the Nude Tour in 1990, "When I was a kid, I didn't want to go hear James Brown play something I never heard before". In 1995 he toured the Gold Experience with a release date of "NEVER" ...

... Where for art thou the trouring Prince ... and what do you stand for?

BoySimon said:

Prince has always liked to believe that we'd have an even better time if we can all vibe off the same spiritual significance of his religious beliefs. In this case, it is the JWs rhetoric.

Don't be too alarmed though, this portion of the show doesn't seem to be too long and certainly doesn't seem to detract from what is, by all accounts, one of Prince's most personal shows; especially for the fans of his music. There's still plenty of room left to dance and have fun!

Fun, Anji, such a marvellous word. I believe you are right, the religion seems tom play a minor role. In some ways this is a shame, given the inclusivity of Lovesexy, but if all he is going to to is alienate the masses and hand out copies of Watchtower, the less the better.

I can't wait to step on the two and four with Prince and his band.

BoySimon said:

Tell me about it, I'd kill to hear something like Rebirth of the Flesh and the ol' skool Days of Wild but alas...

I just hope he gets Touretts syndrome again, like he had before-and starts cursing and swearing.Anything but preaching, if I want that-I'll put my £££££ in the church collection plate(like THATS gonna happen!).

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Prince should do whatever the Holy Spirit moves him to do.

Amen, CandyEyce!! I'm still waiting for the Bible Study he promised me a couple years ago. He's got my addy. I'm waiting.

Should he get his bible out? NO! Please don't! I don't want this (my first Prince concert) to have any BUTs about it... like if I end up saying it was a great concert BUT he preached all the way through Anna Stesia, which made me uncomfortablem that would suck.

I attended some of the ONA shows in the states and his preaching is very short and next to nothing, it's really nothing to be concerned about. JWs are told to do this.

R u suggesting that he go mute??? lol seriously ... i think 4 him "Playing" & "Good Book Liberation" go 2gether now ... why separate such a quintessential thing ... dont tell me u find it hard 2 stay attentive... kids these day :p

hmm ... I really dont know ... perhaps if u r lucky he’ll look 2 something different like ripping out and showering everyone with all the pages of his black book as an act of cleansing (since u know all the 'dark' things seem 2 b the face of God now) ... im sure u’d like that huh... spiritualism of the 21st century ... dont u worry im sure he knows u r all ready 4 that kind of depth ... lol

i think its good that he has a God ... even if it seems like a stretch from the one he professed he used 2 know (which is a tad odd & partly destructive im sure) ... but at least he is leading and following with some sort of guidance ... “I wanna b in the new breed ... STAND UP ... ORGANIZE”

But okay yes i admit concerts r normally based on music not biblical conference so I can c why some would rather he stick 2 the music ... but he is not known 2 conform is he!? So u all should bring ur 'scuba gear' just incase ... hehe



... editing ... like taking candy from a baby lol
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lovebird said:

Just an FYI: Jehovahs Witnesses are not "told" to do anything. All Christians are commanded in the bible to "preach" Matt 28:19,20.

The preaching work that Jehovahs Witnesses are doing is out of love for their creator, and their neighbor.

i am a music fan but i am not a religous person and i don't like being preached too .. if he wants to be religous FINE whatever floats his boat .. but i don't want a bible forced down my throat!

Prince will do whatever he wants to do.

He always includes some spiritual aspect to his shows. He did it at Wembley in '98 and my guess is that he'll do it again.

The only reason people have a problem now is due to the JW connection and thats the fault of their own ignorance, not Prince's.

Mr7 said:

But, as I've said before, the spirituality Prince pervayed prior to the JW thang was all inclusive "he lives inside of us, he just wants to come out to play" (or something very much along those lines). This was very positive.

It is wonderful that Prince has a belief system that fulfills him...heaven knows I wish that I could possess abstract faith like that. It is just sad - in my opinion - that the system he has fallen for, or speaks to him loudest, is one that alienates many and is not inclusive.

how true, Mr7. we ARE all still quite ignorant about the JWs, especially after the last year's ongoing debates in this forum. lmfao

anyway you are right that he'll do what he wants to. always has, always will

exactly, BoySimon. that's how i feel too.

if he does the tatoo routine again, i sure hope someone clocks him on it finally and hands the book back to him.

"If my fans are worried or confused, should I really care? Surely they want me to be true to myself." - Prince