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Prince was only Prince 1980-1983 Prince was only Prince on the albums Dirty Mind, Controversy and 1999. After that he changed his sound and part of his vision to cater to a larger crowd. Before DM he was traditional rnb disco with some rock thrown in form his influnces. In these 3 albums he became his freaky self. The Prince that we all know and love.It began on Dirty Mind..."yes this is Prince , and he's really different now" said Right On magazine back then..then he learned to use the freakishness in the studio on Controversy, freaked his first slow song Do Me baby and made his manifesto with the title song and Sexuality, and showed how he lives by Jack U Off. Then he put it all seemlessly together with the crowning glory of 1999. 1980-1983 ( 83 because of t e tour not completed) was the greatest ..err maybe the first greatest trilogy of Princedom. "Climb in my fur." | |
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He definitely got back to business in Sign O' the Times. I'd say he was Prince up until Diamonds & Pearls. He was blatantly trying to sell a pop album and even though there are some killer songs on it, I really don't care for it. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I'd say he was Prince up until Diamonds & Pearls. He was blatantly trying to sell a pop album and even though there are some killer songs on it, I really don't care for it.
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Come on...it's Prince everytime...not another person. Don't you ever change"? Ich bin bei der Neue Kraft Bewegung | |
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I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. Then I don't think people got his idea anymore. There was a quote from the USA 1988 Tour that ran along the lines of "If I could just get someone to understand" and it was back with an indescribably cool, but undeniably pissed off, picture of Prince on stage. Graffiti Bridge egged the pudding too much and from then on he has been chasing shadows. The recent album, however, does seem sincere - certainly if his show commentaries are anything to go by - so maybe we are about to see a true return to form as he becomes honest with himself once more ... rather than chasing all the products of the "Dream Factory". | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He definitely got back to business in Sign O' the Times. I'd say he was Prince up until Diamonds & Pearls. He was blatantly trying to sell a pop album and even though there are some killer songs on it, I really don't care for it.
He got back to bizz with SOTT yes..but that album reflects soo much influence from others who he learned from etc..which is a good thing mind you. He couldn't have been doing the MN sound forever...but he was Prince on a different level with SOTT and on. Grwoth was-is good. Im jus' sayin..you aint eva gonna get to the essence of Prince without realizing the triumverate of DM, Cont, and 1999. It takes all of those records to be able to FULLY appreciate SOTT and beyond. "Climb in my fur." | |
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spaceboy said: Come on...it's Prince everytime...
Bull...for example, ATWIAD was Prince and everyone elses ideas. Even had one of the carpet munchers BROTHER up in that mug "Climb in my fur." | |
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spaceboy said: Come on...it's Prince everytime...not another person. Don't you ever change"?
Yes, everyone does. But if you ask me, Prince is always Prince when he is taking chances and being creative. Not when he's strictly trying to prove the point that he can create another "hit" - which is not a challenge. Especially in the last decade or so when the entire world of mainstream radio has changed for the worse. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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I think the real of essence of Prince went thru to the Lovesexy Album. By no means am I suggesting that everything after that isn't as good, but for me he stopped enjoying being a star after Lovesexy. Up until that point everything he did was a success, after that he was chasing an audience. I agree about D+P being a blatant attempt at being a mega seller, as i also think that Gold was. I love both those albums but they weren't as "honest" as the earlier stuff was. i think TRC is a return to making music he loves = and that makes it a great album for me. ----------------------------------------- | |
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BoySimon said: I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. I guess it's cool for some to dis-own or publicly downplay Purple Rain. Though I haven't played it all the way through in years, I couldn't do without it. It's part of who Prince is, no matter how many bandwagoners think his greatness is exclusively wrapped up in it alone. The only tired thing about it is that it's his most successful album, and it's played on the radio so much. In reality it was a creative risk when it was new. Some, NOT many, can be innovatvie and accessible at the same time. Prince proved that with some of his most commercially successful music. Being jaded to it doesn't change its greatness. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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dewmass said: I think the real of essence of Prince went thru to the Lovesexy Album. By no means am I suggesting that everything after that isn't as good
Thats why I said the first triumverate of greatness(paraphrased) was DM, CONT, 1999...the second one came with Parade SOTT and Lovesexy...but to appreciate the following triuverates after 1980-83, one has to look at the first one to see the great leaps and bounds so they can say "this muthafucka took it to another level" like I did when I sat there listneing to SOTT. Cant be done with any awakening to the greatness without the first 3 fully experienced. "Climb in my fur." | |
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Supernova said: BoySimon said: I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. I guess it's cool for some to dis-own or publicly downplay Purple Rain. Though I haven't played it all the way through in years, I couldn't do without it. It's part of who Prince is, no matter how many bandwagoners think his greatness is exclusively wrapped up in it alone. The only tired thing about it is that it's his most successful album, and it's played on the radio so much. In reality it was a creative risk when it was new. Some, NOT many, can be innovatvie and accessible at the same time. Prince proved that with some of his most commercially successful music. Being jaded to it doesn't change its greatness. I love me some Purple Rain, dnt get me wrong. It is simply genius in retropsect. But it aint exactly what should have followed 1999 and at the same time it was. Thats what is so odd about PR. It isnt like Led Zeps Presence or Houses after the deluge of IV. "Climb in my fur." | |
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I think Prince has always been Prince, even when he was apparently The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. I do agree however that the first great Prince period was 1980 - 1983.
I think there are others that would say the most significant chapter was 1984 - 1988. The landmark success of Purple Rain, the psychedlic rebellion against it in Around the World and Parade, the vault classics Dream Factory, Camille and Crystal Ball, the incredible masterpiece Sign O The Times and the whole Black album/Lovesexy drama. | |
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rdhull said: Supernova said: BoySimon said: I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. I guess it's cool for some to dis-own or publicly downplay Purple Rain. Though I haven't played it all the way through in years, I couldn't do without it. It's part of who Prince is, no matter how many bandwagoners think his greatness is exclusively wrapped up in it alone. The only tired thing about it is that it's his most successful album, and it's played on the radio so much. In reality it was a creative risk when it was new. Some, NOT many, can be innovatvie and accessible at the same time. Prince proved that with some of his most commercially successful music. Being jaded to it doesn't change its greatness. I love me some Purple Rain, dnt get me wrong. It is simply genius in retropsect. But it aint exactly what should have followed 1999 and at the same time it was. Thats what is so odd about PR. It isnt like Led Zeps Presence or Houses after the deluge of IV. Zep's Presence was extremely rushed for release, and didn't have the nuance and dynamics they were capable of and known for. It displayed their power and nothing else. I can't equate that to Purple Rain. The biggest difference is that the songs on PR are more concise than on 1999. 1999 had a bit of a more techno feel (overall) to it with the different synth phrasing and drum machine patterns. Although they're both distinctly Prince, they're somewhat apples/oranges...bananas/watermelons. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: rdhull said: Supernova said: BoySimon said: I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. I guess it's cool for some to dis-own or publicly downplay Purple Rain. Though I haven't played it all the way through in years, I couldn't do without it. It's part of who Prince is, no matter how many bandwagoners think his greatness is exclusively wrapped up in it alone. The only tired thing about it is that it's his most successful album, and it's played on the radio so much. In reality it was a creative risk when it was new. Some, NOT many, can be innovatvie and accessible at the same time. Prince proved that with some of his most commercially successful music. Being jaded to it doesn't change its greatness. I love me some Purple Rain, dnt get me wrong. It is simply genius in retropsect. But it aint exactly what should have followed 1999 and at the same time it was. Thats what is so odd about PR. It isnt like Led Zeps Presence or Houses after the deluge of IV. Zep's Presence was extremely rushed for release, and didn't have the nuance and dynamics they were capable of and known for. It displayed their power and nothing else. I can't equate that to Purple Rain. The biggest difference is that the songs on PR are more concise than on 1999. 1999 had a bit of a more techno feel (overall) to it with the different synth phrasing and drum machine patterns. Although they're both distinctly Prince, they're somewhat apples/oranges...bananas/watermelons. See what u did? U made me go and put on Pyurple Rain...REAL loud. My other cat is pissed at me probably. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Supernova said: rdhull said: Supernova said: BoySimon said: I think that Purple Rain was an interlude that we could have lived without.
Prince was Prince, voiding that album, from 1978-1988. I guess it's cool for some to dis-own or publicly downplay Purple Rain. Though I haven't played it all the way through in years, I couldn't do without it. It's part of who Prince is, no matter how many bandwagoners think his greatness is exclusively wrapped up in it alone. The only tired thing about it is that it's his most successful album, and it's played on the radio so much. In reality it was a creative risk when it was new. Some, NOT many, can be innovatvie and accessible at the same time. Prince proved that with some of his most commercially successful music. Being jaded to it doesn't change its greatness. I love me some Purple Rain, dnt get me wrong. It is simply genius in retropsect. But it aint exactly what should have followed 1999 and at the same time it was. Thats what is so odd about PR. It isnt like Led Zeps Presence or Houses after the deluge of IV. Zep's Presence was extremely rushed for release, and didn't have the nuance and dynamics they were capable of and known for. It displayed their power and nothing else. I can't equate that to Purple Rain. The biggest difference is that the songs on PR are more concise than on 1999. 1999 had a bit of a more techno feel (overall) to it with the different synth phrasing and drum machine patterns. Although they're both distinctly Prince, they're somewhat apples/oranges...bananas/watermelons. See what u did? U made me go and put on Pyurple Rain...REAL loud. My other cat is pissed at me probably. 
 Too bad he wont get his butt in gear and come to a compromise to remaster/release his first decade of output.This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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What do you consider 2 B the other Triumvarates? ----------------------------------------- | |
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PRINCE IS A GEMINI.
Astrologically speaking, they never really are just one personality. 
PRINCE HAS GROWN...JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. Mentally speaking,Prince's mind grew from what a young man thinks 2 what a grown man knows. He's experienced alot of things in his life (especially since he's in the music business) and naturally HIS MUSIC REFLECTS THIS.   U Prince. U r an   &  | |
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Prince's greatest period was the few years after PR, turning his back on the 'purplerock' sound was the bravest thing he ever did.
He found his hardcore fanbase that way, all the people that deserted him during that period really don't appreciate what being a musician is all about. best rid of. | |
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Supernova said: Too bad he wont get his butt in gear and come to a compromise to remaster/release his first decade of output.He will in due time--within 5 years or a lot sooner Im betting.Thank god for the celebration this year. "Climb in my fur." | |
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dewmass said: What do you consider 2 B the other Triumvarates?
Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy...Symbol,Come,Gold(and tour) Emancipation, NPS, Truth-Rave "Climb in my fur." | |
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Thecherryloon said: best rid of.
Roflmaoo  CM said "best rid of" like get rid of that scum heheee!"Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: dewmass said: What do you consider 2 B the other Triumvarates?
Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy...Symbol,Come,Gold(and tour) Emancipation, NPS, Truth-Rave I think that the next triumvarate would be atwiad, Parade and SOTT as you can see a deffinate line of ideas in the first 2 that lead to the masterpiece that is SOTT. I see Lovesexy as a work that is more linked to the 1st Prince phase, completely different to SOTT. The next phase for me would B DP, Symbol and Gold where he tried his very best to become a mainstream massive selling artist on his own terms without the influence of the recording industry. I would then say we are amongst the NPS Rave TRC phase where Prince slowly realized he could no longer become the mainstream mega selling artist he was and so began 2 make music he really loves without weorrying about sales Discuss ----------------------------------------- | |
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dewmass said: I think that the next triumvarate would be atwiad, I didntn add ATWIAD because although it was a turning point record and building block, it wasnt a head turner in retrospect,instrumentally spoeaking. At least not as much as Parade is, with all the props it gets. The next phase for me would B DP, Symbol and Gold where he tried his very best to become a mainstream massive selling artist on his own terms without the influence of the recording industry.
I cant add DP there becaue it seems like filler type stuff...although Im not a big fan of Symbol, that and Come and Gold show Prince in anothe r vibe..it started with full organics of Symbol and with Come he said heres something new vibish off center and dark ( the 90's Black album imo) and went whole hog with Gold on wax and in the European tour. Now I needed to actually have said Exodus Goldnigga and Gold..those 3 were him doing a fuck off Im doing this soul, independent thing deep etc. [This message was edited Tue Sep 17 14:26:49 PDT 2002 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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Rdhull, do you shit and chew gum at the same time??
Prince is whoemever he wants to be. As he said to that reporter in 91, 1999 was like finger painting. Sott is more like Van Gogh. The Truth GE and Emancipation are like Picasso. Prince is fluid, like the jism in his woo. He can go anywhere he likes and stick on anyonees wall. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Rdhull, do you shit and chew gum at the same time??
Prince is whoemever he wants to be. As he said to that reporter in 91, 1999 was like finger painting. Sott is more like Van Gogh. The Truth GE and Emancipation are like Picasso. Prince is fluid, like the jism in his woo. He can go anywhere he likes and stick on anyonees wall. Yes I can chew gum and shit..I can also eat pussy and jack myself off at the same time but thats not the point..The fact remains and THE PONT IS that Prince couldnt have attained the levels of greatness with later triumverates that nee'r do wells all cream over without gaining his freak personality, image, and vision through the works of DM, CONTROVERSY and 1999. I never MEANT" that he is some multi-personality person.There..I just broke it down..again. "Climb in my fur." | |
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To be successful and creative, fine. Purple Rain is too calculated. Only The Beautiful Ones, When Doves Cry and Computer Blue equate to 1999. The rest of it is well polished pop. Let's Go Crazy is great but not really Prince and Purple Rain is a song that made every toussled haired, blonde wigged rocker weep into his beer for not writing it.
Purple Rain was a stupendous exercise in cashing in on the national popularity of 1999, but it was not (in my opinion) a great album. rdhull - "carpetmunchers" perleez tell me your're joking. By the way, ATWIAD is a wonderful trip through our time. | |
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BoySimon said: To be successful and creative, fine. Purple Rain is too calculated. Only The Beautiful Ones, When Doves Cry and Computer Blue equate to 1999.
add Nikki "Climb in my fur." | |
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Nahh, Prince was and is about a lot of things, which is why so many different people from different backgrounds want different things from him. To confine him to one niche or area is faulty. And I doubt PR was to cash in on 1999. PR was to be coupled with a movie for BOTH to be cashed in. And the idea for the movie existed before even 1999 was released. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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