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PrintableIstenSzek said: bonedaddy said: Just to respond to a couple of points I read.
I never said it was a better version than the original, I said it was too good for 3121, a level above the rest of the material. Off the top of my head, I don't think I could say this of ANY other track for a particular album, certainly not 'Gold' or 'A Million Days'. In fact I LOVE 'Gold' but it is probably the cheesiest track off the album, but it belongs just fine. Glad we all have different views, we all LOVE the same stuff, but in different ways! well i can see your point. and wether it is too god or too horrible for the album remains a matter of taste. but the thing i agree on completely with you is that it doesn't seem to fit on the album -at all. i've always felt that somehow he might have gone for a more latin sound for this project and then abandoned it. te amo corazon get on the boat the dance all feel like they were recorded for something else. they just don't sit that well with me on this record. despite the fact that these 3 latin tinged songs would probably lead the album into a more latin sound and a bit of a 'tone' for the album, they still feel out of place. the whole cd feels -just like musicology- like he took what he considered the best songs from what sounds like 2 or 3 different projects and put 'm together forming one album. it amounts to an album's worth of above average songs with little to no real filler. yet it doesn't lead to a real "album" either. a problem that Musicology suffered from as well imo. Sign O The Times was a grab bag of songs from various projects and in a way it's not a cohesive album at all but the sheer brilliance of most of the material coupled with some magical ingredient in the song selection makes for it to be (probably) his best album i can't help but feel that this is what he's done for musicology and 3121 as well. picked songs from various projects. it doesn't work that well though since i think he's allowing too much room for commercial appeal in his song choice. Agree 100%, I would even say 'Get OnThe Boat' is a 'Musicology' left-over. Musicology and 3121 leave me feeling like Ive listened to a compilation disc, not an 'album' I still spin TRC all the time, I just don't get drawn back to musicology and 3121 the same way. | |
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FunkJam said: Too good! It's a piss poor version compared to the one that appears on The Chocolate Invasion, he shouldn't have even gone there!
So wait he had another version of The Dance on The Chocolate Invasion?  surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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bonedaddy said: Agree 100%, I would even say 'Get OnThe Boat' is a 'Musicology' left-over. Musicology and 3121 leave me feeling like Ive listened to a compilation disc, not an 'album' I still spin TRC all the time, I just don't get drawn back to musicology and 3121 the same way.
exactly. The Rainbow Children feels like a real album with a flow to it from start to finish. One of my fav Prince albums in fact.. even something like "One Nite Alone (piano & voice)" feels more like an album than both Musicology and 3121. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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bonedaddy said: We know that it wasn't originally penned for 3121 and I think it shows.
Prince knew this was a gem, and had to give it a fresh airing. It's a class song from start to finish, and deserves to be part of a fantastic album. Maybe it was an attempt to rescue the album a little. the entire album is great | |
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Ok, I'm new to the board so I'm first gonna introduce myself. My name is D, I'm in my 20's and I hail from Florida. I'm a huge fan of his music or, as my girlfriend puts it, "(baby you're) obsessed," but that's besides the point. Peace to everyone on the board.
I'd like to say that "3121" is a very good album. I built my opinion of it based on the time it came out and with consideration of what it means for Prince to reinvent himself. I'm sure you guys have gone into depth when the album first dropped, but I'm new so forgive me. I feel that in order for Prince to reinvent himself it would take a near impossible feat (not saying he couldn't do it though). These are not the 80's and he's not perfecting the funk, pioneering the elctro-funk, reinventing himself as a rock star, becoming a Bohemian poet, or getting into R&B as he did at the end of the decade. Instead, with "3121", he mixed all of those influnces and crafted a mature and modern sounding album. Listening to "3121" reminds me of "1999" but wth modern technology. Quality pop music that's mixed with serious songs and typical Prince anthems. If you really listen to "3121" he really sticks to his roots because you hear the funk influence in most of the tracks. The rhythm guitar is still rockin' hard and the synths are on point. The Latin influence just adds another dimension to his extensive catalog. Songs like 3121, Te Amo Corazon, Black Sweat, Incense & Candles, Fury, The Word, Beautiful, Loved, & Blessed, The Dance, and Get On The Boat are all fire. For me personally, the only songs that lack creativity are Lolita (even though its nice to ride to), Satisfied, and Love (even though its worthy of more than just a guilty pleasure). I personally think that people build great expectations prior to every new release. This is not just the case with Prince, but especially with him. I think if we're to see him reinvent himself as he did in the 80's, then he has to get into progressive house/electronic music or something. I don't think that would even work though, 'cause he technically had a pinoeering role in that too. (All The Critics Love U In NY, among others). He'd probably have to drop silverware down the stairs and record it along with some screaming vocals in order to please some of his fans and reinvent himself. =) I do agree with the thread starter that "The Dance" is one of the best tracks on the album, but I don't think its "too good" for it. [Edited 4/11/07 7:00am] Kick the old school joint 4 the true funk soldiers.
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The Dance is the best and most original song on the cd. | |
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bonedaddy said: IstenSzek said: well i can see your point. and wether it is too god or too horrible for the album remains a matter of taste. but the thing i agree on completely with you is that it doesn't seem to fit on the album -at all. i've always felt that somehow he might have gone for a more latin sound for this project and then abandoned it. te amo corazon get on the boat the dance all feel like they were recorded for something else. they just don't sit that well with me on this record. despite the fact that these 3 latin tinged songs would probably lead the album into a more latin sound and a bit of a 'tone' for the album, they still feel out of place. the whole cd feels -just like musicology- like he took what he considered the best songs from what sounds like 2 or 3 different projects and put 'm together forming one album. it amounts to an album's worth of above average songs with little to no real filler. yet it doesn't lead to a real "album" either. a problem that Musicology suffered from as well imo. Sign O The Times was a grab bag of songs from various projects and in a way it's not a cohesive album at all but the sheer brilliance of most of the material coupled with some magical ingredient in the song selection makes for it to be (probably) his best album i can't help but feel that this is what he's done for musicology and 3121 as well. picked songs from various projects. it doesn't work that well though since i think he's allowing too much room for commercial appeal in his song choice. Agree 100%, I would even say 'Get OnThe Boat' is a 'Musicology' left-over. Musicology and 3121 leave me feeling like Ive listened to a compilation disc, not an 'album' I still spin TRC all the time, I just don't get drawn back to musicology and 3121 the same way. I agree as well about 'Get on the Boat'... and there is a bit of a Latin taste to 3121. That makes sense to me. I'm still having trouble getting away from TGE, I woke up with its songs in my head. I want to get back to Musicology & 3121, but they're not putting up much of a fight. haha had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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Obsidian said:  I was hoping that he would perform "The Dance" during the 3121 shows in Vegas....sadly we were not treated to it, he has yet to do that one live.it was played at the 3/30 aftershow. | |
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It is the worst song on the album...so bad that I never listen to it and deleted it from my computer and I forgot it was even on that album. | |
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I gotta admit I'm feeling The Dance. I also think it has found its rightful home on 3121. | |
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I would agree with the title of this thread,
except that I feel that that song already turns it's nose up to the rest of that album. | |
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KidaDynamite said: FunkJam said: Too good! It's a piss poor version compared to the one that appears on The Chocolate Invasion, he shouldn't have even gone there!
So wait he had another version of The Dance on The Chocolate Invasion? Yeah and it was a much more sincere performance of it too!! "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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Interesting thread... views are clearly divided...
IMO, The Chocolate Invasion version is superior. As the only previously unreleased track on that album, I gave The Dance a lot of attention when it was first released. I loved the simplicity of the song, with the heart-felt and understated vocal delivery. It was pretty much on repeat play for a couple of weeks, I couldn`t get enough of it. Like many others, I was surprised to see it on the 3121 track listing when this was first revealed. Have to say the new version doesn`t do anything for me. IMO - it`s over-produced and feels contrived towards the end, like a pale imitation of The Beautiful Ones... One of the tracks I skip on 3121. | |
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I've never heard the supposed original version of it... I know, I'm a newbie, what would I know right?
It certainly does stand out among the 3121 because the overall feel of it is upbeat, happy & modern... This song is none of those things. It's not upbeat, it's classy and its certainly not happy. It's the saddest track on the album. I try to limit the listens I give it when I'm not listening thru the album (after listening thru, I sometimes like to replay some of the tracks). Most of Prince's music is pretty much positive and I think he likes it that way. It stands because it's kinda negative and I feel so bad for him at the very end of it. I can't argue if it's better or worse than "The Beautiful Ones", they're very much alike. In this one, I definitely like the way it progresses slowly and smoothly. And it's a bit more classy than "The Beautiful Ones"... but TB1's brought me to tears a couple of times when I watched him do it in the movie. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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I know people here always want to hear new material, so all will probably disagree. However, I still think that this song would do well if released now. Won’t happen…I know. | |
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JamesS said: Interesting thread... views are clearly divided...
IMO, The Chocolate Invasion version is superior. As the only previously unreleased track on that album, I gave The Dance a lot of attention when it was first released. I loved the simplicity of the song, with the heart-felt and understated vocal delivery. It was pretty much on repeat play for a couple of weeks, I couldn`t get enough of it. Like many others, I was surprised to see it on the 3121 track listing when this was first revealed. Have to say the new version doesn`t do anything for me. IMO - it`s over-produced and feels contrived towards the end, like a pale imitation of The Beautiful Ones... One of the tracks I skip on 3121. i agree 100% and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I keep hearing how the Dance is comparable to the Beautiful Ones..
I don't hear the similarities. To me, the beautiful ones was more of a seduction song... the lyrics and the feel is about trying to win a woman over. In the Dance, it seems more reflective, and sad.... like a love that is lost and can't or should not be started up again. That is why I love this song... how many times have we broke up with someone and still have to deal with that person...you still love them, still want them but can't have them and if you could it would be wrong... because, the same problems that broke y'all up still exist. That is why he says "I don't want to hold your hand... because if I do, I will follow you everywhere" and progresses to the end where he is saying I can find another who won't want to make love the way you do, and have all that pretty hair...etc. Now my question is... when was the Dance written, and who or what was the inspiration? This intrigues me when I am listening to the Dance. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: Now my question is... when was the Dance written, and who or what was the inspiration? This intrigues me when I am listening to the Dance.
i think it was an emancipation outtake. someone back me up on this please.... and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: prodigalfan said: Now my question is... when was the Dance written, and who or what was the inspiration? This intrigues me when I am listening to the Dance.
i think it was an emancipation outtake. someone back me up on this please.... Does this mean it was part of a jam session done during the recording of Emancipation?? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: IstenSzek said: i think it was an emancipation outtake. someone back me up on this please.... Does this mean it was part of a jam session done during the recording of Emancipation?? i don't know. but the original version on "The Chocolate Invasion" was rumoured to be a left over from the Emancipation era. wether that means as a finished song or simply as an idea, i don't know. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I think The dance is a great song but it's not my favorite on 3121. | |
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prodigalfan said: I keep hearing how the Dance is comparable to the Beautiful Ones..
I don't hear the similarities. To me, the beautiful ones was more of a seduction song... the lyrics and the feel is about trying to win a woman over. In the Dance, it seems more reflective, and sad.... like a love that is lost and can't or should not be started up again. That is why I love this song... how many times have we broke up with someone and still have to deal with that person...you still love them, still want them but can't have them and if you could it would be wrong... because, the same problems that broke y'all up still exist. That is why he says "I don't want to hold your hand... because if I do, I will follow you everywhere" and progresses to the end where he is saying I can find another who won't want to make love the way you do, and have all that pretty hair...etc. Now my question is... when was the Dance written, and who or what was the inspiration? This intrigues me when I am listening to the Dance. I do see the similiarity between the two. But I agree that The Dance is a lot more sad. TB1's is seductive, now that I think about it... I mean he brought me to tears a couple of times when I watched him do it in the movie (passion with a capital "P", people!). There's a slower progression in The Dance that I like. It's probably one of the tracks I listen to the least on its own... just becuz it's so sad... and I think Prince would rather write happier music, and I'd like to be happy when I hear his beautiful music. Even in sadness, The Dance is still beautiful, regardless. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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adorable2 said: I gotta admit I'm feeling The Dance. I also think it has found its rightful home on 3121.
i LOVE this song too. its so awesome. the first time i listened to the song i was in love  "So shall it be written, so shall it be sung..."  | |
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bonedaddy said: We know that it wasn't originally penned for 3121 and I think it shows.
Prince knew this was a gem, and had to give it a fresh airing. It's a class song from start to finish, and deserves to be part of a fantastic album. Maybe it was an attempt to rescue the album a little. Great song on a weak album. Didn't rescue it though. Just highlighted how dull it was. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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The original version of The Dance is much cleaner, more sultry and has Prince sounding quite vulnerable. The new version has got a totally different vibe. I wonder the importance of this song, enough for him to rework and repackage it. He's never done it like this before. I love the original version, and the original was likely current to the time period it was released on The Chocolate Invasion. It makes most sense that this is a new song, new enough to have kept his emotions in the song going strong ... carrying over even stronger in the new 3121 version.
For those who say it's about a lost love, I think it's about a love that hasn't taken place yet. The phrase "I don't wanna see you dance cuz I don't even really wanna take the chance of falling in love with you" shows he's trying real hard not to like this person and fall in love. he's never seen her dance before and now he doesn't even want to take that chance of possibly falling in love by watching her. If it was an old love lost he was lamenting, he would have already been in love. The original had different intentions, the new one is about the continued mental temptation .... has he missed his opportunity? that's what's probably driving him mad! I don't wanna give you my love cuz I don't wanna loose my mind I don't wanna give you my love cuz if I do it's gonna be the last time I never wanna feel this way again if I can't be your lover I don't wanna be friends, no I don't wanna be friends, no I don't wanna hold your hand (I don't wanna hold your hand) cuz I just wanna follow you everywhere I don't wanna see you dance (no no no) cuz I don't een really wanna take the chance of falling in love with you baby cuz if you ever said those beautiful words to me if I wanna be your fantasy, yes I wanna dance, yes (ooh baby) I don't wanna give you my love I don't wanna go too fast cuz if I do you just might stay (stay with me) you just might stay I guess I have a lonely dance (do you wanna dance?) the longer that I feel this way (the longer that I feel this way) and I never wanna feel this way again (I don't wanna feel) if I can't be your lover (I don't wanna be just friends) no no no no no no no I don't wanna be friends no no no no no I just want this to end my my my, my my my my my baby oh yeah I don't wanna give you my love (I don't wanna give you my love) cuz I don't wanna loose my muse, loose loose my mind go home baby, you know you can't handle this. | |
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I don't wanna give you my love (I don't wanna give you my love)
cuz I don't wanna loose my muse, IS VERY VERY TELLING!!! | |
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aubergine said: I don't wanna give you my love (I don't wanna give you my love)
cuz I don't wanna loose my muse, IS VERY VERY TELLING!!! 4give me 4 being a complete nerd... but it's "lose"... not loose... Interesting point, though. I've never heard the original version. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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DreamyPopRoyalty said: aubergine said: I don't wanna give you my love (I don't wanna give you my love)
cuz I don't wanna loose my muse, IS VERY VERY TELLING!!! 4give me 4 being a complete nerd... but it's "lose"... not loose... Interesting point, though. I've never heard the original version. like omg... Prince's way of writing must make Ur head xplode  | |
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theodore said: DreamyPopRoyalty said: 4give me 4 being a complete nerd... but it's "lose"... not loose... Interesting point, though. I've never heard the original version. like omg... Prince's way of writing must make Ur head xplode that's not how he spells lose... as in losing something... I checked actually, I thought it was the coolest thing that he substitutes 2 for too/to/two, and 4 for for... that's why I've started doing it myself had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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DreamyPopRoyalty said: theodore said: like omg... Prince's way of writing must make Ur head xplode that's not how he spells lose... as in losing something... I checked actually, I thought it was the coolest thing that he substitutes 2 for too/to/two, and 4 for for... that's why I've started doing it myself  | |
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