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Reply #180 posted 05/09/07 12:28am

KidaDynamite

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kalelvisj said:

KidaDynamite said:



It's not that I don't have anything intelligent to say, it's just that I personally never saw the point in comparing people especially if you think their very talented. Even Prince himself once said that he doesn't compare. I just posted this pic out of pure fun and thought I could get a couple of laughs out of it cause I to love the picture.


The picture is hilarious. I agree that it is often silly to compare artists. I do feel there are comparisons to make between Elvis and Prince. Overwhelming ly positive, but there are also a few ways that they are a like in very negative ways. Not so much in music style but in impact and image and how they processed the music they loved into their own "voice."

Regardless of comparing the artists, this topic had become a debate about racism, and influence versus stealing music, etc. It was that debate that I was hoping to see continue.

I apologize for the implication you had nothing intelligent to add. It is just that if you look through the posts in this topic you will see many replies that say "Elvis stole music instead of being influenced by it" (often these posts have been incredibly racist) and that he has no real lasting impact on music. I was disappointed that none of the people who slammed Elvis had any real rebuttal to the quotes by African American artists that praised Elvis as an integrator and musician/performer. Again, sorry for the unintentional insult, but I do hope this debate will continue. While it may seem to drift from the topic, I think the debate is important enough to continue.

Peace out and Lovesexy!


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Reply #181 posted 05/09/07 4:35am

timelord72

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Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.
prince is far more talented than elvis, he writes his own music, plays most of the instruments dances and produces...2 whom ever it may concern u must come 2 ur senses there are no kings on this earth only PRINCES.....
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Reply #182 posted 05/09/07 5:59am

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loads of artist are better that Elvis. In fact hundreds and thousands! lol
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Reply #183 posted 05/09/07 6:11am

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mozfonky said:

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Dude, I'm never going to waste my time looking up anything by Elvis, even worse I'm not looking for anything in gospel or country music(my two least favorite genres). Fucking waste of my time.


Dude, if you ain't willing to educate yourself, keep your silence.
[Edited 5/3/07 12:44pm]


I am an educated person....very well educated at that.
I'm in too much of a good mood to go looking up Elvis SHIT!
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Reply #184 posted 05/10/07 3:22pm

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dseann said:

mozfonky said:



Dude, if you ain't willing to educate yourself, keep your silence.
[Edited 5/3/07 12:44pm]


I am an educated person....very well educated at that.
I'm in too much of a good mood to go looking up Elvis SHIT!

not talking about academia, talking elvidemia, I have a problem with people running off at the lips and not knowing what they are talking about. You know your college profs wouldn't like it either.
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Reply #185 posted 05/10/07 3:54pm

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playinthesunshine said:

loads of artist are better that Elvis. In fact hundreds and thousands! lol



Elvis is better than most of the music I hear of today.
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Reply #186 posted 05/11/07 3:14pm

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playinthesunshine said:

loads of artist are better that Elvis. In fact hundreds and thousands! lol




Thats not "facts", thats just your opinon
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Reply #187 posted 05/11/07 5:32pm

catpark

kpowers said:

playinthesunshine said:

loads of artist are better that Elvis. In fact hundreds and thousands! lol



Elvis is better than most of the music I hear of today.

Thats not "facts", thats just your opinon wink
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Reply #188 posted 05/11/07 6:01pm

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girl66 said:

Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.


Ok cut the bs!

On paper elvis is no where near Prince:

Every one of elvis's songs, has never been written by elvis. Not 1 song he has composed either.

Only knows 3 cords of a gutiar.

Cant play piano, etc.

Moves cant dance, has no rytem.

U WILL NEVER HEAR ANYONE SAY ELVIS'S MUSIC IS COOL! OR HEAR ANY SONG IN A CLUB!

LMAO

Sam 8)
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Reply #189 posted 05/11/07 6:35pm

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catpark said:

kpowers said:




Elvis is better than most of the music I hear of today.

Thats not "facts", thats just your opinon wink




Yes, and unlike you I never said fact
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Reply #190 posted 05/11/07 6:43pm

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sambluedolphin said:

girl66 said:

Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.


Ok cut the bs!

On paper elvis is no where near Prince:

Every one of elvis's songs, has never been written by elvis. Not 1 song he has composed either.

Only knows 3 cords of a gutiar.

Cant play piano, etc.

Moves cant dance, has no rytem.

U WILL NEVER HEAR ANYONE SAY ELVIS'S MUSIC IS COOL! OR HEAR ANY SONG IN A CLUB!

LMAO

Sam 8)




I agree with most of what you say. I do like Prince's music better than Elivis. I have all of Prince's albums where as I only have 2 cd's of Elvis's. And yes Elvis music is cool. You can't just judge music because a club won't play it "nonsense".
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Reply #191 posted 05/11/07 6:50pm

catpark

kpowers said:

catpark said:


Thats not "facts", thats just your opinon wink




Yes, and unlike you I never said fact

My Facts=My Opinions
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Reply #192 posted 05/11/07 6:58pm

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catpark said:

kpowers said:





Yes, and unlike you I never said fact

My Facts=My Opinions




yes your opinions
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Reply #193 posted 05/12/07 5:59am

SOMEBODYSSOMEB
ODY

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MantuaPharoah said:

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Motherfuck him and John Wayne

Cause I'm Black and I'm proud
I'm ready and hyped plus I'm amped
Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps
Sample a look back you look and find
Nothing but rednecks for 400 years if you check
Don't worry be happy
Was a number one jam
Damn if I say it you can slap me right here

- Public Enemy... Fight the Power - 1989!

Hell yeah... FUCK ELVIS!

lol... but I like some of his music... especially Love me Tender! LOL
[Edited 4/7/07 12:59pm]


we dont know for sure if elvis was racist or not we can only assume.but if i knew for sure he was i would definitely strongly dislike him.





I know allot about Elvis, probaby more then I know about Prince. I have never heard anything about him being a racist. Im not sure how Chuck D could know.Its interesting how this song could make so many people say that he was a racist, I have heard people mention this before. If you listend to the song If I can Dream that is at the end of 1968 Special I think you would know that there is no way he could be. He sings the song with more emoition then I have ever seen anyone sing a song.

Im not sure who is a better entertainer but they are both very entertaing in diffrent ways. The are truly both my 2 alltime favorites. People put down elvis becuse he wasnt a great musician and didnt write his own songs, he did play a little guitar and a little piano. this realy doesnt bother me much because he had a great voice and knew how to sing a song. He also had allot of input on arrangements of his livemusic. He knew what sounded good.


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Reply #194 posted 05/12/07 6:10am

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wlcm2thdwn said:

No I don't think Prince's greatness will ever get the recognition he deserves, because he is not White.

Neither is Michael Jackson...from what I heard
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Reply #195 posted 05/13/07 9:50am

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Eddie Murphy said he met Elvis's manager, the Colonel, and the man rubbed him on his head for good luck.
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Reply #196 posted 05/13/07 12:58pm

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GermanHottie1981 said:[quote]wlcm2thdwn said:[quote]No I don't think Prince's greatness will ever get the recognition he deserves, because he is not White.



I think his greatness has been reconized. He's been getting praised since "for you". He's been honored with awards so many times and his in the rock and roll hall of fame.
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Reply #197 posted 05/13/07 1:31pm

dseann

mozfonky said:

dseann said:



I am an educated person....very well educated at that.
I'm in too much of a good mood to go looking up Elvis SHIT!

not talking about academia, talking elvidemia, I have a problem with people running off at the lips and not knowing what they are talking about. You know your college profs wouldn't like it either.


I guess what I heard from Elvis really doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. I wasn't inspired to go out and buy his albums to get deeper into his work.
The first time I heard Prince(8 years old- I Wanna Be Your Lover), I was fixated on his music. When I "came of age" I went out and bought everything he ever released.
To me this means that Prince is better than Elvis. Plus, Elvis did
rip off alot of his earlier hits(which made him a superstar) and Prince is an originator.
I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just stating my opinion.
[Edited 5/13/07 13:32pm]
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Reply #198 posted 05/13/07 5:42pm

kalelvisj

dseann said:

mozfonky said:


not talking about academia, talking elvidemia, I have a problem with people running off at the lips and not knowing what they are talking about. You know your college profs wouldn't like it either.


I guess what I heard from Elvis really doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. I wasn't inspired to go out and buy his albums to get deeper into his work.
The first time I heard Prince(8 years old- I Wanna Be Your Lover), I was fixated on his music. When I "came of age" I went out and bought everything he ever released.
To me this means that Prince is better than Elvis. Plus, Elvis did
rip off alot of his earlier hits(which made him a superstar) and Prince is an originator.
I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just stating my opinion.
[Edited 5/13/07 13:32pm]


I am blessed with a mother than filled the turn table with every kind of music and it had a lasting impact on eveyrthing I listen to, and had a tremendous impact on me having what I would call a very critical musical ear.

As far as a lot of people on this board not having been inspired enough by Elvis' music to dig deeper into, it makes perfect since to me. As I said in an earlier post, whether or not the curren generation gets into Elvis' music is no real indication of his quality or impact. If so, then we would have to measure Prince's talent/quality as an artist by how the young people of today view him. There is no way after 20+ years kids today can hear When Doves Cry, Controversy, (insert early ground breaking song of your choice here...) and hear it the way we heard it.

It just seems like an unfair measure to hold an artist up to from 50 years ago, heck 20 years ago, by how much people might like him now as compared to his time of real popularity/impact.

And before anyone says anything about Prince still holding up well to todays mainstream audience...Elvis has had more hit singles in the last 5 years than Prince has...especially in the UK where Prince really has their attention right now.

To me they are both musical royalty. Seems like Prince used to have a lot to say about taring down other people...Now I am gonna have to spend the next hour listening to Lovesexy just to get to Positivity.

and on the note.

Peace out and Lovesexy.
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Reply #199 posted 05/13/07 7:59pm

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Whether you like it or not, Elvis is an icon by, for and of white supremacy. You get rid of white supremacy, and you get him in perspective.
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Reply #200 posted 05/14/07 2:12am

jasmine69

America is white thank god like Europe, if it wasn't then it would be the worst ghetto in the world, oh wait, we already are. Elvis is special to america thank goodness and prince is a minority midget to most, america were lucky, keep us strong and keep them in the ghetto.....
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Reply #201 posted 05/14/07 5:22am

Ernest

fuck elvis. prince is the baddest motherfucking pimp on earth. elvis wasnt even half as good as prince is. give it up for my man prince
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Reply #202 posted 05/14/07 7:09am

OskarKristio

JonnyApplesauce said:

girl66 said:

Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.


Right now, white men call the shots based on their pov.
Diversify the judges and the game will change.



Its one way of looking at it maybe from pov of how it goes down in history, but mostly the answer is that Prince and Elvis are 2 greats at what they did and thing is they didnt/dont do exact same things. Elvis's output was huge, he had huge charisma and presence , great voice and great performer, and reasonably good actor possibly better actor than Prince. Prince does have charisma and aura of his own that he is able to project through his art and he excells in various ways that outdo Elvis you might say he is better guitar player or whatever but mostly they didnt aspire to be the same things and both are incredibly unique
its quite possible to say there will never be another Elvis or Prince.
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Reply #203 posted 05/14/07 4:56pm

dseann

kalelvisj said:

dseann said:



I guess what I heard from Elvis really doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. I wasn't inspired to go out and buy his albums to get deeper into his work.
The first time I heard Prince(8 years old- I Wanna Be Your Lover), I was fixated on his music. When I "came of age" I went out and bought everything he ever released.
To me this means that Prince is better than Elvis. Plus, Elvis did
rip off alot of his earlier hits(which made him a superstar) and Prince is an originator.
I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just stating my opinion.
[Edited 5/13/07 13:32pm]


I am blessed with a mother than filled the turn table with every kind of music and it had a lasting impact on eveyrthing I listen to, and had a tremendous impact on me having what I would call a very critical musical ear.

As far as a lot of people on this board not having been inspired enough by Elvis' music to dig deeper into, it makes perfect since to me. As I said in an earlier post, whether or not the curren generation gets into Elvis' music is no real indication of his quality or impact. If so, then we would have to measure Prince's talent/quality as an artist by how the young people of today view him. There is no way after 20+ years kids today can hear When Doves Cry, Controversy, (insert early ground breaking song of your choice here...) and hear it the way we heard it.

It just seems like an unfair measure to hold an artist up to from 50 years ago, heck 20 years ago, by how much people might like him now as compared to his time of real popularity/impact.

And before anyone says anything about Prince still holding up well to todays mainstream audience...Elvis has had more hit singles in the last 5 years than Prince has...especially in the UK where Prince really has their attention right now.

To me they are both musical royalty. Seems like Prince used to have a lot to say about taring down other people...Now I am gonna have to spend the next hour listening to Lovesexy just to get to Positivity.

and on the note.

Peace out and Lovesexy.



Yo,
I found a tracked version of Lovesexy.....I can skip right to Positivity lol
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Reply #204 posted 05/14/07 10:42pm

kalelvisj

dseann said:

kalelvisj said:



I am blessed with a mother than filled the turn table with every kind of music and it had a lasting impact on eveyrthing I listen to, and had a tremendous impact on me having what I would call a very critical musical ear.

As far as a lot of people on this board not having been inspired enough by Elvis' music to dig deeper into, it makes perfect since to me. As I said in an earlier post, whether or not the curren generation gets into Elvis' music is no real indication of his quality or impact. If so, then we would have to measure Prince's talent/quality as an artist by how the young people of today view him. There is no way after 20+ years kids today can hear When Doves Cry, Controversy, (insert early ground breaking song of your choice here...) and hear it the way we heard it.

It just seems like an unfair measure to hold an artist up to from 50 years ago, heck 20 years ago, by how much people might like him now as compared to his time of real popularity/impact.

And before anyone says anything about Prince still holding up well to todays mainstream audience...Elvis has had more hit singles in the last 5 years than Prince has...especially in the UK where Prince really has their attention right now.

To me they are both musical royalty. Seems like Prince used to have a lot to say about taring down other people...Now I am gonna have to spend the next hour listening to Lovesexy just to get to Positivity.

and on the note.

Peace out and Lovesexy.



Yo,
I found a tracked version of Lovesexy.....I can skip right to Positivity lol



Do the Ten Commandments say anything about coveting another persons CD collection?
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Reply #205 posted 05/15/07 5:47am

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Graycap23 said:

wlcm2thdwn said:

No I don't think Prince's greatness will ever get the recognition he deserves, because he is not White.

Unfortunately I will agree with this.





Diagree, he's been praised since "For You". He's loved all over the world, he's won so many awards, he's in the rock and roll hall of fame.
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Reply #206 posted 05/15/07 8:51am

dseann

kalelvisj said:

dseann said:




Yo,
I found a tracked version of Lovesexy.....I can skip right to Positivity lol



Do the Ten Commandments say anything about coveting another persons CD collection?


Naah....only your neighbors wife or something.
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Reply #207 posted 05/15/07 8:55am

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girl66 said:

Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.


You know what, screw Elvis, screw Jacko and screw 'history'. Because we all know, in our heart of hearts, that 'history' (official version) will NOT rate Prince as highly as those two, and yet we also know that 'history' is wrong and we are right, and that Prince is a far greater genius than either of those admittedly-talented song-and-dance puppets.
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Reply #208 posted 05/15/07 3:47pm

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OskarKristio said:[quote]

JonnyApplesauce said:



Right now, white men call the shots based on their pov.
Diversify the judges and the game will change.








Nah keep it as is
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Reply #209 posted 05/16/07 4:13pm

kalelvisj

PriceAndTheRevolution said:

girl66 said:

Do you think he will go down in history as being a better performer than Elvis was? Michael Jackson was getting close, in my opinion, but then he kind of blew it by turning weird. I think if Prince keeps up with what he is doing he will surpass Elvis' legacy. That is of course my opinion because I am a huge Prince fan.


You know what, screw Elvis, screw Jacko and screw 'history'. Because we all know, in our heart of hearts, that 'history' (official version) will NOT rate Prince as highly as those two, and yet we also know that 'history' is wrong and we are right, and that Prince is a far greater genius than either of those admittedly-talented song-and-dance puppets.


I think that critically Prince is already viewed with higher esteem than M.J. M.J. still gets more media attention but certainly not for his music. I think that Prince is the most acclaimed artist of this generation. He isn't the biggest selling, or MOST popular, but he his highly regarded as a musician and performer.

Prince is certainly rock royalty and will have a long lasting and important legacy.

I certainly don't think it is a matter of Race that has held Prince back. He had the "Pop" world in the palm of his hand from 84-92. He was also the critical darling in the music world during this time. If anything toppled Prince from the top is was Prince, not his race.

Peace out and Lovesexy.
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