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Printableskywalker said: I am just gonna leave my opinion as this because I am going in circles and the horse is beaten and dead for me:
1. Jimi Hendrix will probably always be regarded as THE ULTIMATE GUITAR GOD--regardless of if he was "The Best" (whatever that means) or not, and rightly so. Jimi revolutionized popular music with his use of the guitar and he can keep that title forever. He deserves it as much as anyone. 2. Prince, like most, was influenced in one way or another by Jimi on guitar, and often by his fashion/attitude. 3. That being said, Jimi is just one of Prince's MANY influences, and not necessarily his MAIN influence. Still, everyone in rock music owes much to Jimi including Prince. 4. Prince doesn't just play guitar, he does a lot of other things onstage and in the studio--Hendrix is famous because of his guitar. Furthermore, Prince doesn't just play the style of music that Hendrix played (call it what you want Hendrix's revolutionary sound was basically psychadelic rock that was primarily based in blues guitar stylings).Jimi didn't do anything like Insatiable, or Sexy MF. Not that that makes Prince "better" by any means-just more varied. Also, Prince has made A LOT more music than Hendrix did. Prince has displayed a greater range of of musical styles, and abilities than Hendrix ever displayed (part of the problem with Jimi dying young and the difference in eras.) 5. We can debate forever on who was "better" but it's all a matter of taste. This is where I stand: Hendrix is "better" on guitar, but Prince is "better" at everything else. How are you definitively going to prove otherwise? I don't think anyone can 100% claim that one is head and shoulders better than the other. They are both legends, and the fact that they are from different eras just makes it all the more complicated. As someone said, you cannot compare stats--it all comes down to who you like better. How can you go wrong with either? It's not like anyone is claiming Bobby Brown is the best..... BTW it's Friday night and instead of being out w/friends I am still working on this Hendrix/Prince thing. Only prince.org baby..... [Edited 3/23/07 20:28pm] Yeah, you really need to get out, 'cause you've been sniffing Prince's jockstrap all week. Enjoy yourself  My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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ThreadBare said: thebanishedone said: prince can also play with his thumb,prince plays bass lines on guitar while he solos.
jimi was better improvisator,prince is better composer,he better compose his guitar solos. well, that settles it.  Keenmeister |
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thebanishedone said: kstrat you want examples of prince playing guitar simular to jimi
all prince guitar leads on dirty mind,contraversy tour fury snl version bambi any version blues in g(first avenue blues) all his leads on sacrfise of victor all of his leads on the undertasker video let's go crazy witness for the prossecution blues rock version interactive zannele and many more contain jimi influanced licks. i think prince have phases where he is more into santana(rave 2000 dvd) or more into jimi Man, I must be listening with very different ears. With the exception of a few of the boot recordings you listed I heard/seen most of that stuff. Still, I don't hear anything there that shouts Hendrix. There nothing overt, which is what I was getting at. I agree the influence is there, but its not as if Jimi passed the torch to Prince. Loud distorted blues inflected guitar does not equal instant Hendrix! That being said, I don't find Prince's playing to be particularly bluesy either. (LOL) I really enjoyed Prince's music too, but at times the praise that gets heaped on him by some of the orgers her borders on the ridiculous and obscene. As far as the issue of comparison goes. Jimi Hendrix is both a icon and an archetype. He is part of the bedrock of rock guitar playing. His influence is damn near omnipresent and it goes beyond just his playing! You're gonna soak in a little Hendrix whether you want it or not. It may be musical, stylistic or sonic. A bit is bound to rub off. I don't think a fair comparison can made. Prince tall stands on the shoulders of a lot of great musicians that came before him. Prince gift for synthesis is great, but he can't take credit for creating/pioneering any of the ingredients in the mix. I'm really not one for these type of debates, but wouldn't it be fairer (and saner) to compare Prince to any one of his musical contemporaries? |
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skywalker said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Becuase "P Control" is hot garbage compared to everything in Jimi's catalog. Hell, it's hot garbage to a lot of the stuff in Prince's own catalog. And the fact that you picked that out the numerous other Prince songs to make a comparison to Jimi to me negates all the dissecting and debating you did for the last three days or so. Not tyring to be mean or anyting but come on. You entirely missed the point. Your painfully biased opinion of Pussy Control still does not negate that fact that Jimi never did anything stylewise that was close to that song, nor several other songs that Prince has done. The point wasn't about quality, because no one can prove something so subjective, the debate was about who has a greater range in musical styles. Again, you may not like Pussy Control and you may prefer everything that Jimi ever did, but it doesn't mean that his range of musical styles was broader than Prince's because it wasn't. That's all. And I wouldn't say you were mean, just crude in expressing your opinion. Thanks. The fact that you even put P Control in a discussion between Prince and Jimi about style or range of music is laughable and odd. And the fact of the matter is there are several different debates going on in this very thread because everytime someone makes a valid point about Jimi being better someone else pops up with a different rebuttal about Prince to change the subject. So now were on musical range. Ok whatever.
And you think my description of P Control is "crude"? Let's just say I toned down what I really wanted to post about the song. By the way I never said I liked everthing Jimi every put on record. I specifically said that everything he put on reccord is better than P Control. There's a difference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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This thread is kind of bizarre considering that most of Prince's songs aren't guitar-oriented songs... not even rock-oriented songs... This is apples and oranges... | |
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this thread has basically become a cluster-fuck of Holy Batshittedness | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: skywalker said: You entirely missed the point. Your painfully biased opinion of Pussy Control still does not negate that fact that Jimi never did anything stylewise that was close to that song, nor several other songs that Prince has done. The point wasn't about quality, because no one can prove something so subjective, the debate was about who has a greater range in musical styles. Again, you may not like Pussy Control and you may prefer everything that Jimi ever did, but it doesn't mean that his range of musical styles was broader than Prince's because it wasn't. That's all. And I wouldn't say you were mean, just crude in expressing your opinion. Thanks. The fact that you even put P Control in a discussion between Prince and Jimi about style or range of music is laughable and odd. And the fact of the matter is there are several different debates going on in this very thread because everytime someone makes a valid point about Jimi being better someone else pops up with a different rebuttal about Prince to change the subject. So now were on musical range. Ok whatever.
And you think my description of P Control is "crude"? Let's just say I toned down what I really wanted to post about the song. By the way I never said I liked everthing Jimi every put on record. I specifically said that everything he put on reccord is better than P Control. There's a difference. Ok... what about "Erotic City"... or "Let's Pretend we're married"... | |
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Prince learned from Jimi and took it to another level. But in reality you can't compare the 2. They're both phenemonal! Peace and be wild! | |
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LoDog said: Prince learned from Jimi and took it to another level. But in reality you can't compare the 2. They're both phenemonal!
I'm just curious - how did Prince "take it to another level?" My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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JesseDezz said: LoDog said: Prince learned from Jimi and took it to another level. But in reality you can't compare the 2. They're both phenemonal!
I'm just curious - how did Prince "take it to another level?"  |
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krayzie said: JesseDezz said: I'm just curious - how did Prince "take it to another level?" Surely the Purple-Rain-song-movie-soundtrack-oscar-awards-sales era could be descibed as a `level` not reached by Jimi Hendrix? Yes? | |
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I was talking musically, not awards-wise - I think the original poster was, as well.
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JesseDezz said: I was talking musically, not awards-wise - I think the original poster was, as well.
Who gives a flying you-know-what about awards? We're talkin' music... Okay, you don't consider awards to be important, so take them out of it. Jimi never had anything like Purple Rain. The songs, the film, the sales, the tour, the success, etc. And don't tell me that wasn't about music! Another level? Maybe? Yes? No? | |
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U know what, this thread has gone on so long, I'm not even sure what the heck is being debated/discussed...For the most part, though, I think most of us have been referring to songs/musical relevance, etc. Not tours, awards or anything of the sort. MUSIC. Like I stated earlier.
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coolcat said: Ifsixwuz9 said: The fact that you even put P Control in a discussion between Prince and Jimi about style or range of music is laughable and odd. And the fact of the matter is there are several different debates going on in this very thread because everytime someone makes a valid point about Jimi being better someone else pops up with a different rebuttal about Prince to change the subject. So now were on musical range. Ok whatever.
And you think my description of P Control is "crude"? Let's just say I toned down what I really wanted to post about the song. By the way I never said I liked everthing Jimi every put on record. I specifically said that everything he put on reccord is better than P Control. There's a difference. Ok... what about "Erotic City"... or "Let's Pretend we're married"... Ok, what about them? P.S. -- Erotic City is a rip of a 1983 hit,"White Horse" by a group called Laid Back. . [Edited 3/25/07 17:34pm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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squirrelgrease said: Apples to oranges, really.
- Yes. No guitar player could be compared to Jimi, because he is the most innovative/influential guitar player ever. All great players praise him. Personally I prefer Prince´s playing, but I know Jimi´s place in guitar history. |
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GustavoRibas said: squirrelgrease said: Apples to oranges, really.
- Yes. No guitar player could be compared to Jimi, because he is the most innovative/influential guitar player ever. All great players praise him. Personally I prefer Prince´s playing, but I know Jimi´s place in guitar history. Thank you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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coolcat said: I don't see why Prince and Hendrix need to be compared outside of "lead guitar playing"...
I don't see why the g-playing needs to be compared. It's two different styles. One man is older than the other. One's more sexier of course.  "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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This is an interesting thread | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: skywalker said: So why even bother? Becuase "P Control" is hot garbage compared to everything in Jimi's catalog. Hell, it's hot garbage to a lot of the stuff in Prince's own catalog. And the fact that you picked that out the numerous other Prince songs to make a comparison to Jimi to me negates all the dissecting and debating you did for the last three days or so. Not tyring to be mean or anyting but come on. I agree,"P Control" is garbage.I would never use that song as an example of Prince's greatness,lol. | |
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The P song that sounds directly influenced by JH is "Darling Nikki." But again Prince turns his influences inside out and creates a dynamic take on the sound. He did a similiar thing with his JB influences on "Housequake." I miss the sick, cold blooded and twisted Prince. Who plays the great rock drums in this song? This song sounds like JH if he would have lived another 15 years.
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I agree,"P Control" is garbage.I would never use that song as an example of Prince's greatness,lol.
To be fair, I didn't use P control as an example fo Prince's "greatness" just as an example of his range. You may not like the song, but it is an example of a musical style that Jimi never touched--whether you like it or not is a bit irrelevant. [Edited 3/27/07 12:18pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: I agree,"P Control" is garbage.I would never use that song as an example of Prince's greatness,lol.
To be fair, I didn't use P control as an example fo Prince's "greatness" just as an example of his range. You may not like the song, but it is an example of a musical style that Jimi never touched--whether you like it or not is a bit irrelevant. [Edited 3/27/07 12:18pm] Great song with cool jungle rhythms like Sexuality and My Name is Prince. People are just reacting to the frank and profane lyrics and title. "Foxy Lady" is a cool song with a dated, cheesy lyric. | |
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skywalker said: I agree,"P Control" is garbage.I would never use that song as an example of Prince's greatness,lol.
To be fair, I didn't use P control as an example fo Prince's "greatness" just as an example of his range. You may not like the song, but it is an example of a musical style that Jimi never touched--whether you like it or not is a bit irrelevant. [Edited 3/27/07 12:18pm] Two styles, different eras. Wouldn't you agree.  JH passed in '70. P came along in '78. How would JH have known about the P Control musical style.  Let's just kick the facts.[Edited 3/27/07 13:00pm] "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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Two styles, different eras. Wouldn't you agree. JH passed in '70. P came along in '78. How would JH have known about the P Control musical style. Let's just kick the facts.Of course Jimi didn't know about the musical style of P Control. So maybe it's unfair to claim P Control as a song that was out of Jimi's range stylistcally. That being said, Jimi never did anything like Insatiable, Sexy MF, or One Nite Alone, or Love 2 the 9's. He was alive for those styles of music. His musical range wasn't as wide as Prince's. That's all. He died too young to know for sure. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Two styles, different eras. Wouldn't you agree. JH passed in '70. P came along in '78. How would JH have known about the P Control musical style. Let's just kick the facts.Of course Jimi didn't know about the musical style of P Control. So maybe it's unfair to claim P Control as a song that was out of Jimi's range stylistcally. That being said, Jimi never did anything like Insatiable, Sexy MF, or One Nite Alone, or Love 2 the 9's. He was alive for those styles of music. His musical range wasn't as wide as Prince's. That's all. He died too young to know for sure. And I think it's pointless to compare the 2. It doesn't make sense to say JH did do this and JH didn't do that. Like I said, two different styles from two guitarists.. Music would be boring if they all copied each other and sounded much the same. "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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And I think it's pointless to compare the 2. It doesn't make sense to say JH did do this and JH didn't do that. Like I said, two different styles from two guitarists.. Music would be boring if they all copied each other and sounded much the same. Sure, it's pointless to compare the two. However, we often do pointless things here at the org. I mean, we gotta talk about something in between Prince projects..... "New Power slide...." |
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jdcxc said: skywalker said: To be fair, I didn't use P control as an example fo Prince's "greatness" just as an example of his range. You may not like the song, but it is an example of a musical style that Jimi never touched--whether you like it or not is a bit irrelevant. [Edited 3/27/07 12:18pm] Great song with cool jungle rhythms like Sexuality and My Name is Prince. People are just reacting to the frank and profane lyrics and title. "Foxy Lady" is a cool song with a dated, cheesy lyric. Please stop. Foxy Lady is classic rock. P Control is not classic anything. How much more dated and cheesy can you get than P Control. I'm not reacting to the lyrics because they are vulgar, this is Prince we're talking about here. The lyrics are retarded and the music is wack. Plus he's freaking rapping which is clearly not his forte. . [Edited 3/29/07 11:38am] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: coolcat said: Ok... what about "Erotic City"... or "Let's Pretend we're married"... Ok, what about them? P.S. -- Erotic City is a rip of a 1983 hit,"White Horse" by a group called Laid Back. . [Edited 3/25/07 17:34pm] Big time rip. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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I love Prince but no one is better than Jimi in my opinion. I do like Stevie Ray Vaughan more than Jimi though. But VooDoo Chile (Slight Return) is the best song I've ever heard in my life. | |
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