Finally... I got back... my computer's been lame.

I'll most likely watch the movie again tonite... even after seeing it today...

long story short, I listened thru TGE and my mind was in a different place so I couldn't enjoy the movie until towards the end. [by the way, here's the thread where I posted my review of TGE for those who are interested http://www.housequake.com...adid=82688 ]

I've come to the conclusion that the realms of 80's Prince and in the 90's are completely different... the feel is very different. But I really like the feel of 80's Prince, it's familiar with that 80's vibe I love so much and I wanna go back there again.

However, I'll need to decipher how I feel about TGE, but the two world cannot collide like they did today, otherwise I'll be unable to enjoy either one of them to their fullest. "Purple Rain"'s soundtrack and "The Gold Experience" are two very different worlds and show two very diff. aspects of Prince's personality... they mix together like fire and gasoline. It's very strange...

It's so weird, though. I mean, I'm fully convinced that Prince is merely playing a role and "The Kid" is not Prince... and with that in mind, I dunno what I felt. All I know is that in the end with his overall finale, Prince truly came out into the open as himself when he performed. I really dig that about him.

Oh yeah, and here's something a little messed up, but w/e... when he did "Darling Nikki"... something about his attitude turned me on... that never happened b4 cuz the lyrics are terrible (not that I didnt like them, but they're just plain nasty sounding)... but I dunno, it turned me on. And it took me a long time to get that out of my head.

I definitely will listen through the soundtrack tomorrow cuz I really love a lot of the songs on it, if not all of them. "Purple Rain" the song still gets to me and I love every listen.
[Edited 3/13/07 19:16pm]

I love The Gold Experience

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Again, it must be incredibly confusing listening to Purple Rain and such albums as TGE for the first time within a short timespan of each other. There is such a leap, a difference between the two, which you would simply not get to the same degree if you listened to each Prince album chronologically, because that way you would be able to see the development from one album to the next. Even between 2 consecutive Prince albums there can be a huge difference in styles, with a gap of several albums it is even harder to comprehend.

As for the 'Darlin' Nikki' bit in the movie, that was always my favourite bit, how it is turned into an attack on Apollonia for betraying him by joining with Morris Day, which is simply not there in the lyrics to the song originally. It is a very visceral part of the movie, the anger that pours out of Prince as he performs Computer Blue which is itself a take on 'Father's Song' as played on the piano earlier by his father, so you have that relationship going on in Prince's head, and then it segues straight into Prince writhing around in tortured jealously during Darlin' Nikki about his failing relationship with his new girlfriend. All very deep and dark and psychological.

Yeah, it's very confusing.

For such reasons, I had to watch the movie for the 2nd time that day... when I started, I really thought it was a bad idea just because I'd be doing it to suppress my confusion and I wouldn't enjoy the movie quite as much.
I was wrong... I enjoyed the movie almost as much as I did the first time. It all felt very... good... watching the movie. And I've come to the following conclusions.

At times during the movie, Prince's personality shines through his character... like when he performs certain songs... "Darling Nikki", I can see his personality come out when he grins and looks at Appolina...
there's something very sweet about a 25-year old Prince that makes him irresistible. And the music itself is incredibly awesome, which is why I always watch the credits for the mix of music. I haven't listened to the album on its own yet, but it most likely will be my favorite. Watching the movie and being exposed to 80's Prince and his music has me convinced that "80's Prince" will always hold a special place in my heart that his later "incarnations" will have nothing on.

This poses a bit of a problem, though because there's such a huge difference between 80's Prince and and getting from one to the other will be hard to adjust, since technically, 80's Prince is my comfort zone and he makes me feel warm and fuzzy cuz of it.

I'll have to find some way to adjust to after being openly exposed to his 80's counterpart. It's confusing, thinking as both guys as technically 2 different personalities of the same person.

Then there's the present Prince to take into account as well.80's Prince seems more fun-loving, but he most likely took his music too seriously, thus leads to his evolution in the 90's... making the present Prince wiser and more mature... making him someone that I not only admire, but greatly respect.

Prince is such a puzzle, but I love finding new pieces of him and discovering more mysteries and uncovering more truths about him.

I once read a review of a concert Prince did when he was only performing new material around the Gold Experience time, "It's not that I dislike , it's just that I liked Prince better!" I'm sure that's true for most people.

However, I have never really bought into the name change = a different person, it was always Prince to me, he was on remarkable form during the 80s and inevitably that slipped during the 90s from a certain point of view, but I find that every album has a few gems that are worth the whole album, even albums that were very unsuccessful towards the end of the 90s, I don't think you can ever be completely disappointed whatever album of his you pick up!

metalorange said:

I've been meaning to comment on this for a while, but just kept forgetting or I wouldn't be able to log in.

Your last statement couldn't be more true. With Prince, there's always a guarantee that one of his songs will impress me on an album.
I really wanted to comment on the quote It's not that I dislike , it's just that I liked Prince better!" [I'm sure that's true for most people.]
I still see a very drastic difference in style between Prince and and out of courtesy, I always call the artist whose music spanned from 93-99 . The style is very different in TGE, which make it a little difficult to get used to.
Then again, the amount of language in some of the songs is still a bit of a shock, but after a couple of listens, they'll roll off my back just like "Darling Nikki" does now after I've heard it 5 times. It's just a side of him that I kinda blocked out inititally, but I still respect him for it because that's his way of expressing himself.
TGE also introduced me to "rapping" . I've never heard him wrap before. In Track 1, it actually has a smooth edge to it regardless of the lyrics. The style of music was almost alien to me in the early tracks. Endorphinmachine gave me a jolt and almost gave me the impression of being on a rollercoaster that I wanted to get off of. Needless to say, it gave me a scare. I looked through the lyrics and I haven't got a clue what he's talking about and part of me doesn't really want to know, in all honesty.
That's another thing too... as deep as he is, I couldn't understand some of the stuff he was saying in some of the TGE songs. He talks in slang/ghetto speak in "Now" and "Endorphinmachine", so it makes it very hard to understand. Maybe he was in a funky mood when he wrote them. As terrible as this sounds, I almost wanted to believe he was high when he wrote some of those songs, but that's not true. He was just in a completely new state of mind that I wasn't used to. The vibe I got from some of the songs was "very risqué"... and again, it'll take some getting used to.
Back to the quote, though, it seems almost wrong to say because they're still the same person, just a different style. But it does still feel like he is a different person when he sings as .

Back to the movie, I've seen it 4 times now, but I think what I dig the most is when I see him smile, it just makes me laugh, especially during a few particular scenes. Like when he first meets Apolonia and the scene at the lake.

Well you can always ask on the Org if there are any passages in Prince's lyrics you can't understand! Endorphins are hormones that when released give a sense of well-being or pleasure, so basically Prince is saying he is a pleasure (or sex) machine! There's also some stuff about reincarnation, a bit of a theme during the album as shown in the track Dolphin which is about being reincarnated as a dolphin and would he be treated any differently.

The years he definately embraced rap and hip hop and started using the ghetto language and swearing common on those sort of records. I think you could pretty much add D&P and the Symbol album to the years because that is when he really started acting like a gangsta rapper pimp!

There's a good lyric site for Prince should you ever wish to find out what he's saying: http://www.dtt-lyrics.com
[Edited 3/16/07 13:51pm]

UTCM is by far my fave Prince move; i just love that film! I has a feel good factor.
Graffiti bridge is sooo bad that ots quite good (i know orgers think its just bad lol).
I gotta be honest i strangely love in the opening scene in Graffiti Bridge when Jill says shes leaving him and he says "Im your baby and you need to take care of me"
That sentence has gotten me out of plenty of sticky situations lol

2morrow I'm gonna watch Purple Rain 2 4 first time

furygirl said:

Hope you enjoy it. The first time is always the most special and always will be.


Metalorange, I guess I can see where you're going with that statement you made about Diamonds and Pearls being part of the years of . When I got myself into the mindset to gear up for "The Gold Experience", I played through my "Very Best of..." CD, getting through Little Red Corvette, the last two Purple Rain tracks, Kiss, then to Thieves in the Temple, [Diamonds and Pearls and Money Don't Matter 2night, which were both off of the D&P album].

That material really felt like it was on a different par than what I was used to. I felt like it was Prince reaching deep into himself to find some great lyrics and smooth melodies. D&P the song seems to gear up for the years of mixing a little spirituality with a great mix of rock music. I find it very well done.

I felt like Money Don't Matter 2night helped clear my mind, a little quiet b4 the storm type of thing. Also, if anyone could tell me what genre that song is, that would be great. It's kinda hard to pinpoint because I find it very smooth and unique. D&P seems like a good album, even though I've only heard 3 songs off of it (then again, Gett off is more of a turn-off).

It's strange, though, after getting into the experience with TGE, my mindset has been a little off. I keep wanting to move forward by listening to his more recent music (my new album 3121 has been gathering dust all week)... the vibe is so different that it's so hard to keep track. What's great about the song, "Gold", though is that it reminded me of how great Prince's music was in the 80's and it sets him up for his music in the future (which is now).

Thanx to the snow storm we're having here in the Poconos, I'll have my DVD until Sunday, so it'll give me a couple of more chances to watch Purple Rain. Last night when I thought I had to return it tomorrow (today), I replayed a couple of my favorite scenes.

Perhaps everyone remembers:
a) the wrong lake
b) the password
c) (one of my faves), Prince's conversation with his "monkey"... cracks me up everytime.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Don't 4get Billy:

LIFE MY ASS MOTHERFUCKER!

DreamyPopRoyalty, from your posts it seems like you don't like Prince's swearing or his brazen lyrics and sexuality in his songs. Like, Gett Off is one of his best tracks ever in my opinion! Wait until you get to the unedited version of SexyMF...

Prince's whole thing during most of the 80s and 90s was him dealing with religion/spirituality and lust/sex. He had a stance on religion that was practically 'new age' and all encompassing, where being lustful and being devout were not mutually exclusive. If you can't get your head around his fusing of sex, love and spirituality then you are really going to have a hard time getting into Prince!

In recent years, of course, he has embraced a single faith, that of Jehovah's Witness, and has really toned down his musings on sex. So he has without doubt become less controversial and 'offensive' and for some much easier to take, but his past music came from a very different state of mind.

metalorange said:

I've dealt with similar talk from someone on housequake's forums. Prince has enough music of many different genres and lyrics of several diff. natures that I always find something that I like/dislike about him. I try not to focus on the fact that some of the issues he addresses in his more obvious lyrics are difficult for me to accept. I try to focus on the fact that he has plenty of music that amazes me. What makes Prince great is that he caters to many different tastes, so I have no problem with being a little restricted to what material of him that I'm personally comfortable with. In fact, I don't feel restricted at all, because I encounter that type of material rarely.

He himself wouldn't want me to feel burdened by his racier material if it doesn't feel right to me. Today, I felt like he spoke to me and told me that my opinion is the only one that matters to me. Then he said something like "My music addresses many issues and just as certain songs work for certain fans, its okay to like what you yourself are comfortable with. My music caters to a number of different styles and preferences and they can’t please everybody."

It takes longer for me to adjust to his racier material than other people, but that's okay. I still feel like I owe it to him to give his material all an equal chance to impress me. That's why I'll listen thru TGE a few times and compare its songs to each other, not to his other work.

One of the greatest things about Prince is that in a lot of cases, he can take certain subject matter and put a wonderful twist on it. His lyrics are so cryptic that I could care less what the meaning behind the song is. His poetic lyrics win me over 99% of the time regardless of what he's trying to say.

theodore said:

Yeah. I find it hilarious when Prince paces in the movie... especially after performing "Purple Rain"... like 'dude, they love it, go back, they want more'

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

The first time I watched it, Purple Rain made me cry

Purple Rain

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Yeah, but usually his wonderful twist is to make something a sexual metaphor. Do you like the track 'Little Red Corvette'? What about the lyrics "I guess I must be dumb cuz U had a pocket full of horses, Trojans, and some of them used"? Trojans being a brand of condoms, shows the whole song is a sexual metaphor not really about cars like so many casual listeners might think!

These days he's not so obvious but you still get the odd sexual metaphor, like On The Couch "Ooh, I wanna go down south, yeah".

metalorange said:

I cannot say enough how much I LOVE 'Little Red Corvette'... I've brought up so many times that I've lost count, perhaps hundreds... Although it did help a lot that I was given a head's up about this song. It was #75 on VH1's list of 100 Greatest songs of the 80's, and they mentioned what it was really about... and in all honesty, I couldn't care less. It's the perfect example of why Prince is so special in my eyes...

And so what if a lot of his music and lyrics are "sexual metaphors"? I could care less about that, what matters is his delivery and I found it overall incredible.

theodore said:

omg, same here! My DVD player was being retarded so I watched the movie on my PS2 in my room. My mom happened to walk in on me when I was in pieces over the song. It's so emotional and sweet that I can't help myself. The first time I saw it, I mean the very first time, I don't think I appreciated it the way I do now. Here's a shocker, I was only maybe... 17-18 back then and I think I found the song boring... how terrible of me.

Ever since I saw him do it in the movie when it first watched it in its entirity (we're talking a week ago now), it has become my favorite song of his because it has everything that he stands for in music combined into one song.
a) great mix of instruments
b) uplifting lyrics
c) it has a smooth flow throughout and it ends becuz he feels it needs to, not because it has to.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

This song makes me cry because it reminds me of my father
And when he gives Wendy a kiss... I was all

It's such a beautiful song...

theodore said:

Totally agree. I may sound kinda unoriginal by saying that Purple Rain is my favorite Prince song, but it's true. It's his greatest accomplishment and no matter how much times he plays it, he always makes it sound incredible.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Purple Rain isn't my favourite Prince song

Off of the album maybe, next 2 Darling Nikki, Computer Blue and The Beautiful Ones

theodore said:

That's cool.

I like all of the songs off the album for one reason or another. I gave the album a listen after seeing the movie 3x.

Let's Go Crazy- I've always been a fan of this song. The first time I heard it was actually during the HalfTime show.
Take me with U- has a very unique beginning to it that you wouldn't expect it to sound like it does. There's Prince's trickery for ya. I find it very elementary lyric-wise, but still fun. Like a breath of fresh air.
The Beautiful Ones- initially, it struck me as a sweet song... but I didn't realize how much I loved it after watching him sing it to Apollonia a couple of more times. After watching the movie, I had to watch it over again. The last two times I watched it, I got teary-eyed. This is romantic Prince at his best, at least in that era. He starts out sweet and innocent and then he gets very passionate with his tone. Who wouldn't fall in love with him after that?
Computer Blues- excuse the extra s, I found the title of the song somewhere and it was spelled that way, blame them. Anyway, this song and I have a complex relationship. Initally, I thought it was 'Darling Nikki' so I was bracing myself for the nasty lyrics I heard about. I didn't really know what to think of it for a while. Then I started to really get into it. I find myself dancing to it while watching Prince playing it. I go crazy when he sings "until I find the righteous one, Computer Blues" the 2nd time, and he dances around to the beat. Then with the instrumental solo that follows, he brings forth the vibe I get from 80's music. I reminded me of Billy Idol a little bit (for some reason, I thought he was God when I was 3 years old... dont ask). Prince did a very 80's thing with the instrumental solo, but put his own twist on it. Why is my relationship with this song complex?: when it gets stuck in my head, it annoys me. Otherwise, I find it unusual, but appealing.
Darling Nikki- oh boy... here's a story for ya. Prince made it very obvious why this song brings up such controversy. The lighting was perfect in the movie, showing a whole new side to him that I never knew. I found myself shaking my head initially because "sexy" Prince was new to me, so it took a little getting used to. Not all first impressions are correct and Prince takes that to a whole new level. After I listened to it a few more times, I started to dig it quite a bit... and needless to say, watching him do it in the movie turned me on and made me go insane for him. I found myself laughing at his antics because I really found it entertaining. I sing along with it, but I'm careful not to do it in front of non-Prince fans... they wouldn't get it.
When Doves Cry- Definitely one of my biggest favorites! I didn't like it initially, but it grew on me. It's the first of Prince's songs to drive me crazy because it always got stuck in my head, but these days, I'd welcome it with open arms compared to other songs of his.
I would Die 4 U/Baby I'm a Star- when my dad made a mix of his fav. songs from the 60's/70's/80's, these two songs were the last on his list and the first songs of Prince I heard. The first of the two, I loved from first listen. I found the 2nd less entertaining, but in the movie, they're incredible together. In those last 8 minutes, I felt that Prince came out of character and was himself again. I even thought that he decided to add Baby I'm a Star to the end because he wanted to give an encore to his audience. A combination of seeing him dance and sing these two songs are the very reason I became a fan of his in the first place.

As far as 80's albums go, Purple Rain has to be among the best in my opinion. I'm not sure where to classify it compared to Prince's other albums, though because I need to spend more time with them to be sure where I stand.

When I first heard Purple Rain my instant favourites were Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy, The Beautiful Ones and Darling Nikki.

It all changed when I watched the show @ 1st Avenue where he per4med Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star and --- this show got me hooked on Computer Blue
I was

I've seen U around and I have explored most of his music --- well, I think so
Even these days I'm finding new things 2 listen 2/watch

Prince

If there's anything to take away from this, I won't forget my first time. Not just seeing the movie in its entirity.

But it was the first time I was exposed to Prince as a performer, courtesy of my dad. In those last 8 minutes of the movie, Prince cast a spell on me, binding me to him forever, regardless of how much time passed between his performances.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

You are not alone in that thought...
I had an I must be an "old-lady" moment last week- happened to be in the mall and popped into FYE (thanks to you mentioning that store in another thread ) to check the used Prince bin, found Purple Rain for a few bucks and decided to pick it up. Got to the register where the maybe 19-20 year old there took one look and proclaimed it the best soundtrack EVER (his emphasis).
Then when I told him I'm just replacing my VINYL he laughed and looked at me like I was nuts!

paisley16 said:

that's hilarious. Purple Rain, I found for $10 at Target, but since my dad already owned it, I saw no need.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Purple Rain was $10 4 me 2
Sign "o" the Times was $22.99

theodore said:

I don't think I found Sign O' The Times anywhere, not that I was looking for it in particular.
Ultimate was $22.99 or more everywhere I looked.

I know that I love all of the tracks of "Purple Rain", but unlike TGE and 3121, I haven't given it any thought as a whole. So most likely, that will be my next order of business.

shaedove99 said:

Same Happened 2 me but 20 years later