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Reply #30 posted 03/10/07 3:35pm

Haystack

JudasLChrist said:

Haystack said:



So, that would be yet another (ooh, I'm trying to sell a book) third-hand account then. I don't think Alex Hahn's story is necessarily going to be hard evidence.

Again, I'm really not trying to be contrary here (although it's hard given the lack of genuine evidence), however I am genuinely interested in trying to find out the source of the 'Prince/Wendy & Lisa renouncing their homosexuality' story. If I do get hard proof, then not only will I be interested in how Wendy and Lisa were happy to work with him again after his actions, but it will genuinely affect how much I appreciate both him and his work. They might have forgiven him, but I certainly wouldn't.


If you have the gumption, pay the star tribune entry fee, or ask if anybody has "Prince: an Oral history" here at the org.


Or alternatively, if you feel that strongly that there's hard evidence there, and have the gumption, why not pay the star tribune fee yourself and show me a screen-print? And is the Prince: An Oral History thing going to be that reliable? Then again, is the Star Tribune going to be that reliable? It's a newspaper, after all.

I know I'm sounding contrary and all that, but I really do want to see a link to proper evidence for the Prince/W&L thing. It'd be a shame if people like me don't accept that Prince could potentially be homophobic and carry on supporting him, not knowing that he's possibly hating gay people. Gay fans would rather know if he really had made such nasty, judgmental comments. Likewise, it'd be a shame if people believe rumours that haven't been properly substantiated and assume that he's hateful towards some members of society when he may not be. That would be a terrible injustice.
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Reply #31 posted 03/10/07 3:55pm

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come on now, our society is still homophobic, no matter how much progress it might be making. I just read how Liberace had to vehemently deny being gay his whole life because of the shame, in spite of every action and mannerism confirming he was. If Prince is homophobic, he's probably no more or less so than the average american male, and I seriously doubt it rises to the level of hatred so it just has to be taken with a grain of salt, like many people's prejudices should.
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Reply #32 posted 03/10/07 4:49pm

pacey68

Found the source. Cleveland Free Times interview with Wendy Melvoin, she said it was her sexuality AND religion (she's half Jewish) which P had issues with. She said he wanted her to publically denounce her sexuality and convert to a JW.

http://www.freetimes.com/story/2261

On the subject of band member's sexuality I recall a thread in Housequake that said Mr Hayes was gay and thanks his boyfriend in the sleeve notes of Exodus. If this is true then why didn't Prince have a problem with this also? The plot thickens.....
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Reply #33 posted 03/10/07 5:04pm

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thanks, great article
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Reply #34 posted 03/10/07 8:18pm

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and there it is:
http://www.freetimes.com/story/2261
Melvoin's most recent — and perhaps strangest — encounter with Prince came in February of this year. She and her twin sister Susannah (Prince's ex-girlfriend and co-lead singer of his 1986 side project, the Family) wanted to see his post-Grammys concert at the House of Blues nightclub in West Hollywood.

“I had to call his guitar tech to let Prince know that the Revolution wants to be there,'' she said. “We got this phone call to [drummer] Bobby Z, saying ‘Everybody can go, Bobby can go for free, but everybody else has to pay.' What the hell is this? So we get there; none of us have to pay, but it was incredibly difficult to get in there. There's Steven Tyler and Beck walking by us and all those other people. It was an odd place to be in. We finally got shuffled off to this room where there wasn't a seat for us and we all just had to stand there.

“He played the show. He called a whole bunch of people onstage, but he didn't call any of us. I thought, ‘Well, that's it.' His wife came up to me and introduced herself, and I told her to thank him for the tickets and goodbye.

“Then the next day, I get this call from [the guitar tech] saying, ‘Prince would like you to come down to the recording studio and rehearse with him on acoustic guitar for a benefit he's doing for the Tavis Smiley Show . I'm like, ‘What the hell?' I haven't talked to him since the [Revolution] reunion tour we tried to put together in 2000, and he declined doing it because of me and my homosexuality and I'm half Jewish. It came back: ‘Go have a press conference denouncing your homosexuality and that you're converting to Jehovah.' I was like: ‘I guess we'll never hear from him again.' And I had to kind of mourn him. And I've got to be honest with you: It was devastating to think we've kind of lost him.

“Then he called out of the blue, and the curiosity got the best of me. I'm irreverent and resilient emotionally. I went down, and he was remarkably kind and open and gave me huge hug. He had me sit in with his band while they were rehearsing. I just hung with him for two hours, learned the song he wanted to do, got the information about the show. I got there the next day and met him on the set. It was just him and me, and he was gorgeous. He was the guy I knew when I first met him. He was the guy who spent the night at my and Lisa's house on our pullout bed. It was beautiful to see him. I held on to him and kept kissing him and hugging him and telling him I loved him. I don't know what to think of it. He knows we all love him; we're all his loyal friends.''


Sorta makes ya kind of sniffly...
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Reply #35 posted 03/10/07 9:38pm

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I guess we'll never hear from him again.' And I had to kind of mourn him. And I've got to be honest with you: It was devastating to think we've kind of lost him.

“Then he called out of the blue, and the curiosity got the best of me. I'm irreverent and resilient emotionally. I went down, and he was remarkably kind and open and gave me huge hug. He had me sit in with his band while they were rehearsing. I just hung with him for two hours, learned the song he wanted to do, got the information about the show. I got there the next day and met him on the set. It was just him and me, and he was gorgeous. He was the guy I knew when I first met him. He was the guy who spent the night at my and Lisa's house on our pullout bed. It was beautiful to see him. I held on to him and kept kissing him and hugging him and telling him I loved him. I don't know what to think of it. He knows we all love him; we're all his loyal friends."


It sounds like they'll love him no matter how he behaves so that's why they've forgiven him time & again.
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Reply #36 posted 03/11/07 3:56am

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Reply #37 posted 03/11/07 5:40am

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Why would anyone here be surprised that Prince would try and impose his will and beliefs on someone (here in the case of Wendy and Lisa)? Why would anyone here be surprised that his will and beliefs would be questionable?

It's not like you don't have nearly 30 years of examples to draw on...
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Reply #38 posted 03/11/07 5:42am

peterfalconer

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What do U think. The only reason he say this is because his old friend is a Witness too, and HE claims that they condem gays. After all the songs about freedon of spirit and being true, do U think there's any truth behing this. Let's not get heated here, it's just a question, not a statement!


Homophobic is a stupid term. You can disagree with homosexuality or be of the opinion that it's morally/biologically wrong without being afraid of it.
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Reply #39 posted 03/11/07 9:31am

Graycap23

If he is....or if he is NOT, how is that important?
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Reply #40 posted 03/11/07 12:44pm

JudasLChrist

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peterfalconer said:

thetardis said:

What do U think. The only reason he say this is because his old friend is a Witness too, and HE claims that they condem gays. After all the songs about freedon of spirit and being true, do U think there's any truth behing this. Let's not get heated here, it's just a question, not a statement!


Homophobic is a stupid term. You can disagree with homosexuality or be of the opinion that it's morally/biologically wrong without being afraid of it.


Whatever, man.
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Reply #41 posted 03/11/07 12:45pm

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Graycap23 said:

If he is....or if he is NOT, how is that important?


Are you saying that Homophobia doesn't matter?
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Reply #42 posted 03/11/07 3:13pm

Graycap23

JudasLChrist said:

Graycap23 said:

If he is....or if he is NOT, how is that important?


Are you saying that Homophobia doesn't matter?



Did u READ my question?
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Reply #43 posted 03/11/07 3:19pm

Illustrator

Graycap23 said:

JudasLChrist said:



Are you saying that Homophobia doesn't matter?



Did u READ my question?

I glanced over it,
but I didn't really try to decipher any kind meaning behin....
oh wait,
that question wasn't being directed to the org in general, was it?


I really need to start paying more attention around here.
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Reply #44 posted 03/11/07 3:26pm

peterfalconer

JudasLChrist said:

Graycap23 said:

If he is....or if he is NOT, how is that important?


Are you saying that Homophobia doesn't matter?


I think he's probably saying it doesn't make any difference as to whether or not Prince's music is worth listening to. After all, I don't care what Prince's personal views are on life, the universe and everything - I just want to hear good music.
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Reply #45 posted 03/11/07 3:35pm

Stymie

peterfalconer said:

thetardis said:

What do U think. The only reason he say this is because his old friend is a Witness too, and HE claims that they condem gays. After all the songs about freedon of spirit and being true, do U think there's any truth behing this. Let's not get heated here, it's just a question, not a statement!


Homophobic is a stupid term. You can disagree with homosexuality or be of the opinion that it's morally/biologically wrong without being afraid of it.
I think some people don't like gays out of say kind of irrational fear of them due to lack of understanding.

Any Prince fan who is homophobic or bigoted against gays cracks me the hell up. lol
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Reply #46 posted 03/11/07 3:49pm

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I'm sure Prince is a bit homophobic, but irrationally so. I mean, he does so many gay things that he must envy or find something useful in gayness. No normal man would dare put on makeup or frilly clothing or affect an accent and body language that would make people question his identity without a reason. I mean, how serious could he be about it if he does all those things? I remember reading about how Prince was meeting Madonna and he was really uncomfortable with Madonna's forwardness and just as uncomfortable being around her gay dancers, ironic. At any rate, it's all good for showbiz. If P had never made it he probably never woulda straightened his hair or changed his attire so radically.
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Reply #47 posted 03/11/07 4:04pm

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Stymie said:

Any Prince fan who is homophobic or bigoted against gays cracks me the hell up. lol


It's funny how if you say anything even vaguely negative about gays you're a bigot, but make a completely ridiculous generalisation like "Aren't gays, like, SO GREAT?" and you're open-minded.

The left can be bigots too. Trouble is, they're allowed to be.
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Reply #48 posted 03/11/07 4:07pm

Stymie

peterfalconer said:

Stymie said:

Any Prince fan who is homophobic or bigoted against gays cracks me the hell up. lol


It's funny how if you say anything even vaguely negative about gays you're a bigot, but make a completely ridiculous generalisation like "Aren't gays, like, SO GREAT?" and you're open-minded.

The left can be bigots too. Trouble is, they're allowed to be.
Please don't get me wrong. They is a huge different to me between someone who says something against gays and someone who is homophobic or bigoted. And yes, the left can be bigoted too and I really don't see how or where you get the idea that we are allowed to.

And BTW, gays are great. lol
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Reply #49 posted 03/11/07 4:08pm

peterfalconer

Stymie said:


And BTW, gays are great. lol



lol

Touché!
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Reply #50 posted 03/11/07 6:10pm

JudasLChrist

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Anyone who questions my mere right to exist, or the ethics of my existing, over something as petty as sexual orientation IS a bigoted asshole. End of story.
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Reply #51 posted 03/12/07 1:18am

peterfalconer

JudasLChrist said:

Anyone who questions my mere right to exist, or the ethics of my existing, over something as petty as sexual orientation IS a bigoted asshole. End of story.



Anybody who merely questions something rather than blindly accepting it without asking why is a bigot?! How very liberal of you, JudasLChrist.
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Reply #52 posted 03/12/07 2:08am

SoulAlive

pacey68 said:

Found the source. Cleveland Free Times interview with Wendy Melvoin, she said it was her sexuality AND religion (she's half Jewish) which P had issues with. She said he wanted her to publically denounce her sexuality and convert to a JW.

http://www.freetimes.com/story/2261



eek So,he had problems with the fact that she was not only a lesbian,but half-Jewish too??
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Reply #53 posted 03/12/07 2:16am

peterfalconer

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eek So,he had problems with the fact that she was not only a lesbian,but half-Jewish too??


Half-Jewish my arse. When was the last time you heard somebody describe themselves as "half Catholic"? You either follow a certain ideology or you don't.
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Reply #54 posted 03/12/07 2:35am

SoulAlive

peterfalconer said:

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eek So,he had problems with the fact that she was not only a lesbian,but half-Jewish too??


Half-Jewish my arse. When was the last time you heard somebody describe themselves as "half Catholic"? You either follow a certain ideology or you don't.



So,you're calling Wendy a liar? lol
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Reply #55 posted 03/12/07 2:45am

peterfalconer

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So,you're calling Wendy a liar? lol


No - I just think saying you're "Half Jewish" is a bit naff. How many "Half Buddhists" do you know?
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Reply #56 posted 03/12/07 2:48am

SoulAlive

peterfalconer said:

SoulAlive said:



So,you're calling Wendy a liar? lol


No - I just think saying you're "Half Jewish" is a bit naff. How many "Half Buddhists" do you know?


True lol
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Reply #57 posted 03/12/07 4:33am

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I would not say that prince is homophobic,not that their is anything wrong with that.
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Reply #58 posted 03/12/07 5:59am

Stymie

thepope2the9s said:

I would not say that prince is homophobic,not that their is anything wrong with that.
there is indeed something wrong with being homophobic. How in the hell can any Prince fan be homophobic, bigoted or anything else about gay people when the man himself is effeminate, wears high heels and makeup? lol
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Reply #59 posted 03/12/07 6:01am

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Stymie said:

thepope2the9s said:

I would not say that prince is homophobic,not that their is anything wrong with that.
there is indeed something wrong with being homophobic. How in the hell can any Prince fan be homophobic, bigoted or anything else about gay people when the man himself is effeminate, wears high heels and makeup? lol


Because he doesn't have sex with men?
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