sosgemini said:

The Kidgdom Hall that I once had ties with only allowed for it under extreme circumstance, I know the religion well and maybe every hall is different, probably depends on how "the elders" feel about it
[Edited 3/2/07 11:09am]

I know it's their business but he seemed to be so happy and ready to be settled with her. I'd almost like to know what happened but speculation is kind of pointless.

It's saying something that she won't drop the name. Kinda sad.

Meloh9 said:

probably.

bosede said:

No doubt .. I'm convinced now .. this is why he tore down his house in MN .. gold digga is going for his assets in Cali .. you KNOW she would have been fighting for the house in MN.

Meloh9 said:

I agree. I have known this lady who is a JW since I was 12 and I'm 35 now and she has said several times that there are only allowances for very extreme cases.

Ok, for those who were asking about Minnesota laws with regard to divorce:

PROPERTY LAWS
All property, real or personal, obtained during the marriage is, of course considered "marital property" with the following exceptions:

1. if acquired by gift, bequest, devise or inheritence;
2. if acquired beforethe marriage;
3. if acquired by the spouse after the valuation date;
4. is excluded by a valid antenuptial contract; or
5. if acquired in exchange for, or the increased value of, separate property

Property Division Guidelines:

1. The length of the marriage;
2. Any prior marriage of any party;
3. The age, health, occupation, amount and sources of income, vocational skills, employability, estate, liabilities, needs, opportunities for future acquisition of capital assets, and income of each party
4. The contribution of each in the acquisition, depreciation or appreciation in the amount or value of the property;
5. The contribution of the spouse as a homemaker

It shall be conclusively presumed that each spouse made a substantial contribution to the acquisition of income and property while they were living together as husband and wife. The court may also award to either spouse the household goods and furniture of the parties, whether or not acquired during the marriage. The court shall value marital assets for purposes of division between the parties as of the day of the initially scheduled pre-hearing settlement conference, unless a different date is agreed upon by the parties, or unless the court makes specific findings that another date of valuation is fair and equitable. If there is a substantial change in value of an asset between the date of valuation and the final distribution, the court may adjust the valuation of that asset as necessary to effect an equitable distribution.

ALIMONY LAWS
The court may grant alimony for either spouse if the spouse seeking alimony:

(a) Lacks sufficient property, including marital property apportioned to the spouse, to provide for reasonable needs of the spouse considering the standard of living established during the marriage, especially, but not limited to, a period of training or education, or

(b) Is unable to provide adequate self-support, after considering the standard of living established during the marriage and all relevant circumstances, through appropriate employment...

The alimony order shall be in amounts and for periods of time, either temporary or permanent, as the court deems just, without regard to marital misconduct, and after considering all relevant factors including the following guidelines:

1. The financial resources of the party seeking alimony, including marital property apportioned to the party, and the party's ability to meet needs independently;

2. The time necessary to acquire sufficient education or training to enable the party seeking alimony to find appropriate employment, and the probability, given the party's age and skills, of completing education or training and becoming fully or partially self-supporting;

3. The standard of living established during the marriage;

4. The duration of the marriage and, in the case of a homemaker, the length of absence from employment and the extent to which any education, skills, or experience have become outmoded and earning capacity has become permanently diminished;

5. The loss of earnings, seniority, retirement benefits, and other employment opportunities forgone by the spouse seeking alimony;

6. The age, and the physical and emotional condition of the spouse seeking alimony;

7. The ability of the spouse from whom alimony is sought to meet needs while meeting those of the spouse seeking alimony; and

8. The contribution of each party in the acquisition, preservation, depreciation, or appreciation in the amount or value of the marital property, as well as the contribution of a spouse as a homemaker or in furtherance of the other party's employment or business.


PRENUPTIAL/ANTENUPTIAL AGREEMENTS

They typically include:

1.List of all assets, liabilities, income and expectations of gifts and inheritances.

2. Describes how debts will be paid.

3. Describe what will happen to premarital property, including the increased value of property acquired before the marriage.

4. Ownership of residence and secondary homes.

5. Alimony

MY COMMENTS:
Keeping in mind that prenuptial agreements should have full disclosure of all property and earnings of each party. If a party does not provide full disclosure or an agreement is deemed "unfair", the agreement can be challenged. Unfair meaning that the circumstances on which the prenuptial were based have changed drastically and no longer comports with the reasonable expectation of the parties when entering into the agreement; i.e. I have $100,000 in the bank and a regular 9-5 job, 5 years later i start a business that booms and becomes a billion dollar success in a year, this obviously was not expected nor intended when the prenup was entered into, and therefor would would be considered "unfair". It is safe to say that their prenup would most likely not apply in an "unfair" situation. My guess, and only a guess, is that Mani is seeking out assets that were likely not disclosed in a prenup, which could ultimately make the prenup void.

sosgemini said:

Yes, my ex-boyfriend's grandmother was a JW and she divorced his grandfather when she was in her 60s (I think) because he cheated on her. So I think it is allowed, especially in cases of adultery.

jone70 said:

damn...grandpa was getting busy. work it such!!!

BeautifulOneJem said:

I agree. As I read this "Objects in the Mirror" was playing on my iPod, and all I can say is that this is really sad. Unfortunately sometimes things don't work out the way we hope they will - for whatever reason. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is right or wrong. There are no winners or losers in a divorce, so I hate that people try to turn it into a battle. When the sun sets the hearts of both parties are tattered and torn - that is if love was ever present.

who is CJ? is she a reporter in Minnesota that was in the Billy Jack Bitch song?

sorry i'm clueless about this

pkidwell said:

yup...see you're not clueless

jone70 said:

I'm not an expert by far.. but I have a friend who is JW and in a miserable marriage right now but says she cannot get divorced unless her husband cheats on her and she can prove it. She says other than that she won't shame her family like that.

shaedove99 said:

screw the family...tell her to live her life for herself and not her family or her religion. if she is that unhappy with her marriage that she wants to end it then end it...sure she might get disfellowshipped but she can set a path to be reintroduced to jehovah.

shaedove99 said:

they can be such a controlling religion, but this is not the place for that forgive me

Meloh9 said:

families can be controlling...society can be controlling...even friends...i know of a few people that let their friends control their lives...heck, drugs...

the list goes on and on and on...

oh..and to go back on topic...prince is one controlling mf'r himself...regardless of his religious bent.


probably one of the factors that lead to the end of his marriage and this story.

yeah but when its all said and done I dont care, I care about how he controls that guitar thats just about it