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Thread started 02/25/07 6:41am

JoeTyler

How can we improve ATWIAD?

Easy:

1.Hello
2.Paisley Park
3.Manic Monday
4.Raspberry Beret
5.Condition of the heart
6.Pop Life
7.America
8.Girl
9.She's always in my hair
10.Temptation

I've always thought that the ATWIAD B'sides are much better than some of the tracks which appeared in the official version; also, Prince should have keep Manic Monday for himself; for me, ATWIAD is Prince "lost album", it could have been much better.
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Reply #1 posted 02/25/07 6:53am

eleven

"WE" cannot improve it. It needs no improving. hmph! Yes, the b-sides are amazing but I love the fact that they are b-sides-- it just added to the awe and wonder of an artist who made such a great album yet still found time to pull off ncredible b-sides that made my head explode.
The fact that you even left off Tambourine from your list should be a reason to kick yo ass...twice! huh. fishslap
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Reply #2 posted 02/25/07 7:14am

SenseOfDoubt

The album really does not need improvement wink

BELIEVE ME! razz

Hm, I really do not like Hello that much, it is good, but I still prefer Tambourine...
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Reply #3 posted 02/25/07 7:16am

JoeTyler

eleven said:

"WE" cannot improve it. It needs no improving. hmph! Yes, the b-sides are amazing but I love the fact that they are b-sides-- it just added to the awe and wonder of an artist who made such a great album yet still found time to pull off ncredible b-sides that made my head explode.
The fact that you even left off Tambourine from your list should be a reason to kick yo ass...twice! huh. fishslap
[Edited 2/25/07 6:56am]


Hey! I haven't say that i don't like it! I was trying to say that I prefer She's always on my hair as an A-Side and Tambourine as a B-Side, I haven't said: burn it! lol
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Reply #4 posted 02/25/07 7:19am

SenseOfDoubt

JoeTyler said:

eleven said:

"WE" cannot improve it. It needs no improving. hmph! Yes, the b-sides are amazing but I love the fact that they are b-sides-- it just added to the awe and wonder of an artist who made such a great album yet still found time to pull off ncredible b-sides that made my head explode.
The fact that you even left off Tambourine from your list should be a reason to kick yo ass...twice! huh. fishslap
[Edited 2/25/07 6:56am]


Hey! I haven't say that i don't like it! I was trying to say that I prefer She's always on my hair as an A-Side and Tambourine as a B-Side, I haven't said: burn it! lol


It surely would not have been a "mistake" to put She's Always... on ATWIAD. thats for sure wink
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Reply #5 posted 02/25/07 7:25am

eleven

JoeTyler said:

eleven said:

"WE" cannot improve it. It needs no improving. hmph! Yes, the b-sides are amazing but I love the fact that they are b-sides-- it just added to the awe and wonder of an artist who made such a great album yet still found time to pull off ncredible b-sides that made my head explode.
The fact that you even left off Tambourine from your list should be a reason to kick yo ass...twice! huh. fishslap
[Edited 2/25/07 6:56am]


Hey! I haven't say that i don't like it! I was trying to say that I prefer She's always on my hair as an A-Side and Tambourine as a B-Side, I haven't said: burn it! lol


lol OK, then I'll just kick yo ass once. razz
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Reply #6 posted 02/25/07 7:27am

JoeTyler

eleven said:



lol OK, then I'll just kick yo ass once. razz


blackeye


lol
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Reply #7 posted 02/25/07 8:01am

ufoclub

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Back when it first came out, we always disliked America and the Ladder the most.
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Reply #8 posted 02/25/07 8:10am

Imago

Get rid of Temptation and replace it with some more Beatle-esch--let the album be the beatles album it so desperately wants to be!




Actually, I love ATWIAD.
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Reply #9 posted 02/25/07 8:55am

kaptainkrunk

how u gonna improve on something u didnt write and its not ur baby lets prince do the music and u do the lovin 2 what he creates take prince as is and stop bitching
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Reply #10 posted 02/25/07 9:05am

ufoclub

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Imago said:

Get rid of Temptation and replace it with some more Beatle-esch--let the album be the beatles album it so desperately wants to be!




Actually, I love ATWIAD.


But Temptation is still like the Beatles... (white album type of concept song)
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Reply #11 posted 02/25/07 9:19am

JoeTyler

kaptainkrunk said:

how u gonna improve on something u didnt write and its not ur baby lets prince do the music and u do the lovin 2 what he creates take prince as is and stop bitching


Let's see pal, when I say "improve" I am not talking about the talent of Prince or how bad or good one of his songs is, I was talking about one SPECIFIC record (ATWIAD) which I think(as a LISTENER or REVIEWER) it's the ONLY Prince record that suffers from a somewhat erratic song selection (The B-Sides and the material who was writing for other artists at the time are better than the songs that finally appeared on ATWIAD). I was not talking about talent, it was just my opinion.
But if you think that I'm bitching or insulting Prince or looking like an intolerable asshole, then sue me or ask to the moderators to ban me.

And if you think that WE cannot talk about one Prince's song or record because we haven't write it, then tell me one think: why did you enter the org after all? To say everytime: "all Prince songs are good, all Prince songs are good"?...ridiculous.
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Reply #12 posted 02/25/07 9:30am

December1984

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I always thought the song "Around the World in a Day" sounded unfinished. Like it's almost (but not quite) a really great song. Personally, I think the tempo should have been more up-beat with a chugging train-like rhythm and maybe some jangley acoustic guitars to punch things up as well.

And yeah, "She’s Always in My Hair" should have made the album. Probably with "Tambourine" relegated to b-side status.
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Reply #13 posted 02/25/07 10:36am

murph

December1984 said:

I always thought the song "Around the World in a Day" sounded unfinished. Like it's almost (but not quite) a really great song. Personally, I think the tempo should have been more up-beat with a chugging train-like rhythm and maybe some jangley acoustic guitars to punch things up as well.

And yeah, "She’s Always in My Hair" should have made the album. Probably with "Tambourine" relegated to b-side status.




I think "Temptation" should have been left off the album entirely...Keep "Tembourine" because it adds to the quirkyness of the album...And "Around The World..." should have taken on the funkier qualities of the live version...But I co-sign on "She's Always On My Hair"...Why on earth that song was relegated to B-Side I have no idea..
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Reply #14 posted 02/25/07 11:42am

BorisFishpaw

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Personally, the only 'improvemnets' I'd like to have seen for ATWIAD would have
been a slightly altered running order, and the addition of 'She's Always In My
Hair' (I think 'Temptation' should've been shortened to make room for it rather
than dropping any of the other tracks... I can live without the silly talk with
God bit at the end!)
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Reply #15 posted 02/25/07 12:07pm

ufoclub

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"Teacher Teacher" would have fit well into the supposed Psychedelic Rock mode. So would "All My Dreams".

What would a compilation of Prince's psychedelia be? "3121" would fit. "3121" is completely in the Beatles mode of introductory mystery song that beckons you into a surreal musical adventure.
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Reply #16 posted 02/25/07 12:27pm

theodore

Around the World in a Day is perfect the way it is nod

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Reply #17 posted 02/25/07 12:42pm

BorisFishpaw

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Actually, I think Around The World In A Day IS one of the few albums that
would've benefitted from a minor tweaking.

1. The album has a really slow start.
Opening with the title track is fine, it sets the psychedelic beatlesque mood
really well. But then following that with Paisley Park (great song, but quite
slow and plodding) and Condition Of The Heart (great ballad, but 3rd track in
is way too early for that 2 minute weird-out piano interlude that precedes it)

2. The ending of Temptation.
Not my favorite track on the album I must admit, but all that talking over the
outro just comes off as silly. Particularly the bit where God kills him for
not knowing the difference between Love and Sex. Editing off those 2 minutes
of rambling would make room for...

3. She's Always In My Hair.
Great track, deserving of a place on a 'proper' album rather than just being
relegated to a b-side. I suspect the reason it was left off was because it
uses a synth line that had already been used on the previously released 'Sex
Shooter'. That point aside, it's fits perfectly with the psychedelic vibe
of the Around The World In A Day album.

So there you have it, just one edit, one addition, and a slightly re-jigged
running order would have just improved an already great record IMHO.
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Reply #18 posted 02/25/07 12:51pm

theodore

BorisFishpaw said:

Actually, I think Around The World In A Day IS one of the few albums that
would've benefitted from a minor tweaking.

1. The album has a really slow start.
Opening with the title track is fine, it sets the psychedelic beatlesque mood
really well. But then following that with Paisley Park (great song, but quite
slow and plodding) and Condition Of The Heart (great ballad, but 3rd track in
is way too early for that 2 minute weird-out piano interlude that precedes it)

2. The ending of Temptation.
Not my favorite track on the album I must admit, but all that talking over the
outro just comes off as silly. Particularly the bit where God kills him for
not knowing the difference between Love and Sex. Editing off those 2 minutes
of rambling would make room for...

3. She's Always In My Hair.
Great track, deserving of a place on a 'proper' album rather than just being
relegated to a b-side. I suspect the reason it was left off was because it
uses a synth line that had already been used on the previously released 'Sex
Shooter'. That point aside, it's fits perfectly with the psychedelic vibe
of the Around The World In A Day album.

So there you have it, just one edit, one addition, and a slightly re-jigged
running order would have just improved an already great record IMHO.



Temptation... guitar solo excited guitar headbang

I don't mind about the ending... it's actually funny smile
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Reply #19 posted 02/25/07 12:52pm

NorthernLad

BorisFishpaw said:

Actually, I think Around The World In A Day IS one of the few albums that
would've benefitted from a minor tweaking.

1. The album has a really slow start.
Opening with the title track is fine, it sets the psychedelic beatlesque mood
really well. But then following that with Paisley Park (great song, but quite
slow and plodding) and Condition Of The Heart (great ballad, but 3rd track in
is way too early for that 2 minute weird-out piano interlude that precedes it)

2. The ending of Temptation.
Not my favorite track on the album I must admit, but all that talking over the
outro just comes off as silly. Particularly the bit where God kills him for
not knowing the difference between Love and Sex. Editing off those 2 minutes
of rambling would make room for...

3. She's Always In My Hair.
Great track, deserving of a place on a 'proper' album rather than just being
relegated to a b-side. I suspect the reason it was left off was because it
uses a synth line that had already been used on the previously released 'Sex
Shooter'. That point aside, it's fits perfectly with the psychedelic vibe
of the Around The World In A Day album.

So there you have it, just one edit, one addition, and a slightly re-jigged
running order would have just improved an already great record IMHO.



Perfectly said. The addition of "She's Always in my Hair" and the trimming of "Temptation" would have made a much stronger Side 2. I would have placed "Raspberry Beret" as Track 2, and then left the rest of Side 1 the same.
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Reply #20 posted 02/25/07 12:58pm

Illustrator

BorisFishpaw said:

Particularly the bit where God kills him for
not knowing the difference between Love and Sex.

I wake up every morning asking myself "Will today be the day when the lightning bolt strikes me down?".
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Reply #21 posted 02/25/07 1:04pm

SenseOfDoubt

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Sorry, did not think about it.
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Reply #22 posted 02/25/07 1:22pm

BorisFishpaw

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NorthernLad said:

BorisFishpaw said:

Actually, I think Around The World In A Day IS one of the few albums that
would've benefitted from a minor tweaking.

1. The album has a really slow start.
Opening with the title track is fine, it sets the psychedelic beatlesque mood
really well. But then following that with Paisley Park (great song, but quite
slow and plodding) and Condition Of The Heart (great ballad, but 3rd track in
is way too early for that 2 minute weird-out piano interlude that precedes it)

2. The ending of Temptation.
Not my favorite track on the album I must admit, but all that talking over the
outro just comes off as silly. Particularly the bit where God kills him for
not knowing the difference between Love and Sex. Editing off those 2 minutes
of rambling would make room for...

3. She's Always In My Hair.
Great track, deserving of a place on a 'proper' album rather than just being
relegated to a b-side. I suspect the reason it was left off was because it
uses a synth line that had already been used on the previously released 'Sex
Shooter'. That point aside, it's fits perfectly with the psychedelic vibe
of the Around The World In A Day album.

So there you have it, just one edit, one addition, and a slightly re-jigged
running order would have just improved an already great record IMHO.



Perfectly said. The addition of "She's Always in my Hair" and the trimming of "Temptation" would have made a much stronger Side 2. I would have placed "Raspberry Beret" as Track 2, and then left the rest of Side 1 the same.


Putting Raspberry Beret as the second track was exactly what i was thinking too.
I'd also be inclined to put Condition Of The Heart as the last track on side
one (due to it's extended instrumental piano intro). Plus, Paisley Park kinda
fills the traditional 'slow 3rd track' configuration of a lot of Prince's
albums. My ideal tracklist would look something like this...

side 1:
Around The World In A Day (3:25)
Raspberry Beret (3:31)
Paisley Park (4:41)
Tamborine (2:46)
Condition Of The Heart (6:46)
side 2:
America (3:40)
She's Always In My Hair (3:27)
Pop Life (3:42)
The Ladder (5:26)
Temptation (5:19)
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Reply #23 posted 02/25/07 1:27pm

NorthernLad

BorisFishpaw said:

NorthernLad said:




Perfectly said. The addition of "She's Always in my Hair" and the trimming of "Temptation" would have made a much stronger Side 2. I would have placed "Raspberry Beret" as Track 2, and then left the rest of Side 1 the same.


Putting Raspberry Beret as the second track was exactly what i was thinking too.
I'd also be inclined to put Condition Of The Heart as the last track on side
one (due to it's extended instrumental piano intro). Plus, Paisley Park kinda
fills the traditional 'slow 3rd track' configuration of a lot of Prince's
albums. My ideal tracklist would look something like this...

side 1:
Around The World In A Day (3:25)
Raspberry Beret (3:31)
Paisley Park (4:41)
Tamborine (2:46)
Condition Of The Heart (6:46)
side 2:
America (3:40)
She's Always In My Hair (3:27)
Pop Life (3:42)
The Ladder (5:26)
Temptation (5:19)


I like it! I agree on closing side 1 with Condition of the Heart. I might plug "She's Always in my Hair" as track 3 rather than 2. I think Pop Life works well after America, and "She's Always in my Hair" is similar sonically to America, so it might work better between Pop Life and The Ladder.

I'd almost be tempted to place an edited Temptation at the end of Side 1, plug Condition of the Heart 2nd to last on Side 2 then close w/ the Ladder... But i'm not sure The Ladder is a strong enough song to close an album, especially since it would draw obvious comparisons to Purple Rain had it been in that position....
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Reply #24 posted 02/25/07 1:28pm

theodore

Sides? confuse


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Reply #25 posted 02/25/07 1:29pm

NorthernLad

theodore said:

Sides? confuse


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biggrin Please don't make me feel older than I already do!! cool
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Reply #26 posted 02/25/07 1:30pm

theodore

NorthernLad said:

theodore said:

Sides? confuse


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biggrin Please don't make me feel older than I already do!! cool



lol

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Reply #27 posted 02/25/07 1:38pm

BorisFishpaw

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NorthernLad said:


I like it! I agree on closing side 1 with Condition of the Heart. I might plug "She's Always in my Hair" as track 3 rather than 2. I think Pop Life works well after America, and "She's Always in my Hair" is similar sonically to America, so it might work better between Pop Life and The Ladder.

I'd almost be tempted to place an edited Temptation at the end of Side 1, plug Condition of the Heart 2nd to last on Side 2 then close w/ the Ladder... But i'm not sure The Ladder is a strong enough song to close an album, especially since it would draw obvious comparisons to Purple Rain had it been in that position....


yes, I did consider putting She's Always In My Hair after Raspberry Beret,
but it would mean bumping one of the other tracks onto side two. Temptation
would be obvious choice to bump, but it just doesn't seem to work on side
two. I also thought about ending the album with The Ladder, but I agree that
putting it in the 'Purple Rain' position would be unfair on the track. I like
ending side one with Condition Of The Heart and I think adding it to side
two would be a mistake (as it would put two ballads together at the end). I
think you may be right about swapping Pop Life and She's Always In My Hair
around though.

side 1:
Around The World In A Day (3:25)
Raspberry Beret (3:31)
Paisley Park (4:41)
Tamborine (2:46)
Condition Of The Heart (6:46)
side 2:
America (3:40)
Pop Life (3:42)
She's Always In My Hair (3:27)
The Ladder (5:26)
Temptation (5:19)


I definitely think neither Hello, Girl or Manic Monday would've worked on the
album. Well, Manic Monday has the right vibe, but it's a 'Girlsong' (do you
honestly think Prince would sing about "kissing Valentino by a crystal blue
italian stream"?)!


Actually all this kinda 're-imagining' of prince's albums used to be a little
pet project of mine. The vast majority of his albums I wouldn't change much
(no more than I've suggested here with ATWIAD). There are a few albums that
I wouldn't change one bit, and there a few which I would actually alter quite
drastically! (I wonder who can guess which albums fall into which category?)

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Reply #28 posted 02/25/07 1:44pm

Se7en

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The only thing I can think of to improve it is to fix the parts of "Tamborine" where he says "Trampoline".

I think there are also parts of "Raspberry Beret" where the backup singers sing "buy" instead of "find".
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Reply #29 posted 02/25/07 1:47pm

NorthernLad

BorisFishpaw said:




I definitely think neither Hello, Girl or Manic Monday would've worked on the
album. Well, Manic Monday has the right vibe, but it's a 'Girlsong' (do you
honestly think Prince would sing about "kissing Valentino by a crystal blue
italian stream"?)!


Hello is a definite b-side. Girl could potentially be an album track, but I don't know what it would replace... There's nothing I would kick off in favor of "Girl." Presumably had he decided to keep Manic Monday the lyrics would have been altered....

I'm not sure when it was recorded, but I think "Neon Telephone" might have been a nice fit. And how about "Desire" from The Family album? I also liked it and thought Prince should have kept it. It has a bit of an ATWIAD vibe to it.
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