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Super Bowl cemented "Musicolgy" message Prince stated in interviews that Musicology is about "real musicians playing real instruments". And that is what the Musicology tour was all about. Outside of those who saw the tour, his intent to shift the consciousness of music listeners and musicians, did not have an impact. His desire to have people appreciate "true live musicianship" was basically unheard by the general public.
Sure, the SB had a large, some might say captive audience and more exposure, but there was something inherently "real and rare" in the performance. I think people feel the vacuum of musical talent nowadays. I'm not saying that there are not gifted, talented people out there, but the SB was an example of what a "real musician playing a real instrument" is all about. Friends and family members who know I like P have commented to me on how good it was and what a great guitar player he is, etc. Many of you have probably had the same experience. Some even stated that haven't seen something like that in a long time. It was passion, talent, intensity and emotion. I and everyone else were viewing a man who has dedicated his entire life to music in every possible way imaginable. He has committed his life to only one musical goal. To be the best. There was a feeling that he himself was feeling vindication. Since the name change the general pop culture perception has been, well, very negative. That sense and feeling of negativity has shifted to respect for his rare talent. Wonderful to see. I wondered how many young kids where going to bug their parents for a guitar because of that performance. How many were going to go out and take music lessons? How many musical Lewis & Clarks did Prince ignite that day? That is what the premise for Musicology was supposed to accomplish. Maybe, it did. Maybe the people who went to the concerts picked up a horn the next day. Maybe Prince was to some young viewers what Joni Mitchell or James Brown was to him. The week after the super bowl I noticed 2 things: (maybe because I was looking) 1. Kevin Eubanks (Tonight Show band leader) played a soulful impassioned guitar solo when Solomon Burke was the guest. I have never seen him join a guest band and play. It was a definite showcase for his guitar playing. It was good, interesting timing. 2. All of a sudden Justin Timberlake is playing guitar on the Grammy's. What the hell? Not feeling musically legit JT? (Just a shot for the Golden globes joke) 3. Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer yelling "we need more musicians or bands or rockin rollers” (something to that effect). We need real musicians to keep R&R alive. A horrendous paraphrase on my part. Aware or not, I think many musicians were awakened by what they saw. Or maybe it was just my viewing lens. I think Prince wanted to inspire musical commitment in musicians and stir musical interest in people with his Musicology premise. He turned the knob with the 2004 Grammy's and RRHOF, but he opened the door with the SB performance. I get the musicology message now. Real instruments played by talented, passionate, gifted people are rarity nowadays, so enjoy it when you see it. And make sure the next generation remembers the great ones, and that they can be great musicians if they really want to be. Thanks Prince | |
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Accujack said: Great post! I think you're right.
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Accujack said: Great post! I think you're right.
Absolutely. Sure, there are good songs today with a good beat and lyrics, etc. But Prince's music always stands above the rest for too many reasons to name. No matter how good today's music sounds, as rare as those occasions come for me, nothing comes close to what Prince has done/is doing, etc. He truly is an inspiration to a lot of people, me included, and there's no one else like them in the industry and there never will be again. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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FreeastheSun said: Prince stated in interviews that Musicology is about "real musicians playing real instruments". And that is what the Musicology tour was all about. Outside of those who saw the tour, his intent to shift the consciousness of music listeners and musicians, did not have an impact. His desire to have people appreciate "true live musicianship" was basically unheard by the general public.
Sure, the SB had a large, some might say captive audience and more exposure, but there was something inherently "real and rare" in the performance. I think people feel the vacuum of musical talent nowadays. I'm not saying that there are not gifted, talented people out there, but the SB was an example of what a "real musician playing a real instrument" is all about. Friends and family members who know I like P have commented to me on how good it was and what a great guitar player he is, etc. Many of you have probably had the same experience. Some even stated that haven't seen something like that in a long time. It was passion, talent, intensity and emotion. I and everyone else were viewing a man who has dedicated his entire life to music in every possible way imaginable. He has committed his life to only one musical goal. To be the best. There was a feeling that he himself was feeling vindication. Since the name change the general pop culture perception has been, well, very negative. That sense and feeling of negativity has shifted to respect for his rare talent. Wonderful to see. I wondered how many young kids where going to bug their parents for a guitar because of that performance. How many were going to go out and take music lessons? How many musical Lewis & Clarks did Prince ignite that day? That is what the premise for Musicology was supposed to accomplish. Maybe, it did. Maybe the people who went to the concerts picked up a horn the next day. Maybe Prince was to some young viewers what Joni Mitchell or James Brown was to him. The week after the super bowl I noticed 2 things: (maybe because I was looking) 1. Kevin Eubanks (Tonight Show band leader) played a soulful impassioned guitar solo when Solomon Burke was the guest. I have never seen him join a guest band and play. It was a definite showcase for his guitar playing. It was good, interesting timing. 2. All of a sudden Justin Timberlake is playing guitar on the Grammy's. What the hell? Not feeling musically legit JT? (Just a shot for the Golden globes joke) 3. Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer yelling "we need more musicians or bands or rockin rollers” (something to that effect). We need real musicians to keep R&R alive. A horrendous paraphrase on my part. Aware or not, I think many musicians were awakened by what they saw. Or maybe it was just my viewing lens. I think Prince wanted to inspire musical commitment in musicians and stir musical interest in people with his Musicology premise. He turned the knob with the 2004 Grammy's and RRHOF, but he opened the door with the SB performance. I get the musicology message now. Real instruments played by talented, passionate, gifted people are rarity nowadays, so enjoy it when you see it. And make sure the next generation remembers the great ones, and that they can be great musicians if they really want to be. Thanks Prince Hey dude, Put down the purple kool aid and purple tinged glasses... your computer is definately blue!! The Red Hot Chilli Peppers have been telling young children to learn instruments for many years now - especially their drummer. So, uhhh, you're wrong here pal... Justin Timberlake has been learning instruments since he began his solo career... he's no musician by any standards but he's been working on this aspect of his career for a lot longer than you're clearly aware of. The guitar and piano playing is part of his live show these days. As far as Kevin Eubanks is concerned - he's a pretty mean guitar player and I say that as a guitar player myself. As far as his impassioned guitar solo is concerned, that's your own subjective perspective on how he played. As I finish this post, all I can say is 'Don't be crazy'. Prince's impact on our society isn't nearly as large as you want to believe it is or was. His superbowl performance, while effective in terms of reminding people that he exists and plays guitar, was not so big that it influenced these other artists to do what you say they've done. Prince.org is good but when it's bad, like this, it's fuckin awful and seriously annoying. I have a problem in that I can't help myself from coming in here and ragging on your stupidity. jaydeep10000 http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 | |
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jayARDAHB said: FreeastheSun said: Prince stated in interviews that Musicology is about "real musicians playing real instruments". And that is what the Musicology tour was all about. Outside of those who saw the tour, his intent to shift the consciousness of music listeners and musicians, did not have an impact. His desire to have people appreciate "true live musicianship" was basically unheard by the general public.
Sure, the SB had a large, some might say captive audience and more exposure, but there was something inherently "real and rare" in the performance. I think people feel the vacuum of musical talent nowadays. I'm not saying that there are not gifted, talented people out there, but the SB was an example of what a "real musician playing a real instrument" is all about. Friends and family members who know I like P have commented to me on how good it was and what a great guitar player he is, etc. Many of you have probably had the same experience. Some even stated that haven't seen something like that in a long time. It was passion, talent, intensity and emotion. I and everyone else were viewing a man who has dedicated his entire life to music in every possible way imaginable. He has committed his life to only one musical goal. To be the best. There was a feeling that he himself was feeling vindication. Since the name change the general pop culture perception has been, well, very negative. That sense and feeling of negativity has shifted to respect for his rare talent. Wonderful to see. I wondered how many young kids where going to bug their parents for a guitar because of that performance. How many were going to go out and take music lessons? How many musical Lewis & Clarks did Prince ignite that day? That is what the premise for Musicology was supposed to accomplish. Maybe, it did. Maybe the people who went to the concerts picked up a horn the next day. Maybe Prince was to some young viewers what Joni Mitchell or James Brown was to him. The week after the super bowl I noticed 2 things: (maybe because I was looking) 1. Kevin Eubanks (Tonight Show band leader) played a soulful impassioned guitar solo when Solomon Burke was the guest. I have never seen him join a guest band and play. It was a definite showcase for his guitar playing. It was good, interesting timing. 2. All of a sudden Justin Timberlake is playing guitar on the Grammy's. What the hell? Not feeling musically legit JT? (Just a shot for the Golden globes joke) 3. Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer yelling "we need more musicians or bands or rockin rollers” (something to that effect). We need real musicians to keep R&R alive. A horrendous paraphrase on my part. Aware or not, I think many musicians were awakened by what they saw. Or maybe it was just my viewing lens. I think Prince wanted to inspire musical commitment in musicians and stir musical interest in people with his Musicology premise. He turned the knob with the 2004 Grammy's and RRHOF, but he opened the door with the SB performance. I get the musicology message now. Real instruments played by talented, passionate, gifted people are rarity nowadays, so enjoy it when you see it. And make sure the next generation remembers the great ones, and that they can be great musicians if they really want to be. Thanks Prince Hey dude, Put down the purple kool aid and purple tinged glasses... your computer is definately blue!! The Red Hot Chilli Peppers have been telling young children to learn instruments for many years now - especially their drummer. So, uhhh, you're wrong here pal... Justin Timberlake has been learning instruments since he began his solo career... he's no musician by any standards but he's been working on this aspect of his career for a lot longer than you're clearly aware of. The guitar and piano playing is part of his live show these days. As far as Kevin Eubanks is concerned - he's a pretty mean guitar player and I say that as a guitar player myself. As far as his impassioned guitar solo is concerned, that's your own subjective perspective on how he played. As I finish this post, all I can say is 'Don't be crazy'. Prince's impact on our society isn't nearly as large as you want to believe it is or was. His superbowl performance, while effective in terms of reminding people that he exists and plays guitar, was not so big that it influenced these other artists to do what you say they've done. Prince.org is good but when it's bad, like this, it's fuckin awful and seriously annoying. I have a problem in that I can't help myself from coming in here and ragging on your stupidity. jaydeep10000 http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 the purple kool-aid thing is seriously played out and it's just a guess on you're part that his performance didn't influence these other artists. oh yeah, and you're a douche bag He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Even with that said, even if the impact he had on society isn't that huge, he still had a huge impact on me.
Ever since I crossed the threshold and became the 24/7 fan that I am, I've come to see that when it comes to true music and being a true musician, he stands alone. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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jayARDAHB said: FreeastheSun said: Prince stated in interviews that Musicology is about "real musicians playing real instruments". And that is what the Musicology tour was all about. Outside of those who saw the tour, his intent to shift the consciousness of music listeners and musicians, did not have an impact. His desire to have people appreciate "true live musicianship" was basically unheard by the general public.
Sure, the SB had a large, some might say captive audience and more exposure, but there was something inherently "real and rare" in the performance. I think people feel the vacuum of musical talent nowadays. I'm not saying that there are not gifted, talented people out there, but the SB was an example of what a "real musician playing a real instrument" is all about. Friends and family members who know I like P have commented to me on how good it was and what a great guitar player he is, etc. Many of you have probably had the same experience. Some even stated that haven't seen something like that in a long time. It was passion, talent, intensity and emotion. I and everyone else were viewing a man who has dedicated his entire life to music in every possible way imaginable. He has committed his life to only one musical goal. To be the best. There was a feeling that he himself was feeling vindication. Since the name change the general pop culture perception has been, well, very negative. That sense and feeling of negativity has shifted to respect for his rare talent. Wonderful to see. I wondered how many young kids where going to bug their parents for a guitar because of that performance. How many were going to go out and take music lessons? How many musical Lewis & Clarks did Prince ignite that day? That is what the premise for Musicology was supposed to accomplish. Maybe, it did. Maybe the people who went to the concerts picked up a horn the next day. Maybe Prince was to some young viewers what Joni Mitchell or James Brown was to him. The week after the super bowl I noticed 2 things: (maybe because I was looking) 1. Kevin Eubanks (Tonight Show band leader) played a soulful impassioned guitar solo when Solomon Burke was the guest. I have never seen him join a guest band and play. It was a definite showcase for his guitar playing. It was good, interesting timing. 2. All of a sudden Justin Timberlake is playing guitar on the Grammy's. What the hell? Not feeling musically legit JT? (Just a shot for the Golden globes joke) 3. Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer yelling "we need more musicians or bands or rockin rollers” (something to that effect). We need real musicians to keep R&R alive. A horrendous paraphrase on my part. Aware or not, I think many musicians were awakened by what they saw. Or maybe it was just my viewing lens. I think Prince wanted to inspire musical commitment in musicians and stir musical interest in people with his Musicology premise. He turned the knob with the 2004 Grammy's and RRHOF, but he opened the door with the SB performance. I get the musicology message now. Real instruments played by talented, passionate, gifted people are rarity nowadays, so enjoy it when you see it. And make sure the next generation remembers the great ones, and that they can be great musicians if they really want to be. Thanks Prince Hey dude, Put down the purple kool aid and purple tinged glasses... your computer is definately blue!! The Red Hot Chilli Peppers have been telling young children to learn instruments for many years now - especially their drummer. So, uhhh, you're wrong here pal... Justin Timberlake has been learning instruments since he began his solo career... he's no musician by any standards but he's been working on this aspect of his career for a lot longer than you're clearly aware of. The guitar and piano playing is part of his live show these days. As far as Kevin Eubanks is concerned - he's a pretty mean guitar player and I say that as a guitar player myself. As far as his impassioned guitar solo is concerned, that's your own subjective perspective on how he played. As I finish this post, all I can say is 'Don't be crazy'. Prince's impact on our society isn't nearly as large as you want to believe it is or was. His superbowl performance, while effective in terms of reminding people that he exists and plays guitar, was not so big that it influenced these other artists to do what you say they've done. Prince.org is good but when it's bad, like this, it's fuckin awful and seriously annoying. I have a problem in that I can't help myself from coming in here and ragging on your stupidity. jaydeep10000 http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 Well, this has taken an unexpected nasty turn. Hey jaycreep, Question for you! What was it in what I wrote made that particular brain chemical of yours release at precisely the right time and seek out and apparently find the exact neuron to accuratley stimulate and propgate the correct neurological sequence of synaptic events in order for you to express your opinion with such pent up anger? Go give that fat hamster in your head a little run and think about. Something got deep into ya jay? How about expressing some self control. Coming in here and "ragging" is low on your problems list 'lil anger boy. Interesting you find my computer blue. "Often imitated, Never duplicated".....and that's a good thing, couldn't have said it better. [Edited 2/24/07 19:13pm] | |
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FreeastheSun said: jayARDAHB said: Hey dude, Put down the purple kool aid and purple tinged glasses... your computer is definately blue!! The Red Hot Chilli Peppers have been telling young children to learn instruments for many years now - especially their drummer. So, uhhh, you're wrong here pal... Justin Timberlake has been learning instruments since he began his solo career... he's no musician by any standards but he's been working on this aspect of his career for a lot longer than you're clearly aware of. The guitar and piano playing is part of his live show these days. As far as Kevin Eubanks is concerned - he's a pretty mean guitar player and I say that as a guitar player myself. As far as his impassioned guitar solo is concerned, that's your own subjective perspective on how he played. As I finish this post, all I can say is 'Don't be crazy'. Prince's impact on our society isn't nearly as large as you want to believe it is or was. His superbowl performance, while effective in terms of reminding people that he exists and plays guitar, was not so big that it influenced these other artists to do what you say they've done. Prince.org is good but when it's bad, like this, it's fuckin awful and seriously annoying. I have a problem in that I can't help myself from coming in here and ragging on your stupidity. jaydeep10000 http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 Well, this has taken an unexpected nasty turn. Hey jaycreep, Question for you! What was it in what I wrote made that particular brain chemical of yours release at precisely the right time and seek out and apparently find the exact neuron to accuratley stimulate and propgate the correct neurological sequence of synaptic events in order for you to express your opinion with such pent up anger? Go give that fat hamster in your head a little run and think about. Something got deep into ya jay? How about expressing some self control. Coming in here and "ragging" is low on your problems list 'lil anger boy. Interesting you find my computer blue. "Often imitated, Never duplicated".....and that's a good thing, couldn't have said it better. [Edited 2/24/07 19:13pm] and everything you've just accused me of, well, you've become guilty of as well... buddy, good luck with whatever it is you do. Your post was serious... your knowledge of music history is shallow... your love for Prince and all things Prince is heavy... your perspective on the entire world is through a Princely filter... I feel bad for you. I'm not angry... just annoyed by the level of stupidity in some of these posts. Yours takes the cream this week... jaydeep http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 | |
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jay - I'm 90% with you here... but the 'kool aid' slur? Come on, you sound like Bill O'Reilly. And that's one thing a person should never sound like. | |
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BoySimon said: jay - I'm 90% with you here... but the 'kool aid' slur? Come on, you sound like Bill O'Reilly. And that's one thing a person should never sound like.
The purple kool aid slur? It really wasn't that bad that you should be comparing me to Bill O'Reilly now!! But come on... let's not miss the point here. The original poster was talking out of his ass and this happens far too often on the org. It's annoying and sometimes it shows me how musically uneducated prince fans can be. Many have bought into all of his charisma and that early warner bros. press kit... he's a fabulous songwriter/musician but he's not an influence on everything under the sun. | |
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novabrkr said: Prince will save the world.
hahahahaha Prince will save the world... he's responsible for the world as well... | |
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jayARDAHB said: BoySimon said: jay - I'm 90% with you here... but the 'kool aid' slur? Come on, you sound like Bill O'Reilly. And that's one thing a person should never sound like.
The purple kool aid slur? It really wasn't that bad that you should be comparing me to Bill O'Reilly now!! But come on... let's not miss the point here. The original poster was talking out of his ass and this happens far too often on the org. It's annoying and sometimes it shows me how musically uneducated prince fans can be. Many have bought into all of his charisma and that early warner bros. press kit... he's a fabulous songwriter/musician but he's not an influence on everything under the sun. Jay, my brother, then get your ear outta my ass. 
Listen, my original post was basically an expanded thought I had after watching the SB. That's it. Very simple. Have you ever had a thought, then in your mind expand on it (whether true or not). I did not say Prince is "an influence on everything under the sun". Actually, I consider myself moderate fan. Some of the thoughts were based on conversations I had with musician friends of mine, about his influencing new artist and such. The Jt comment was made in humor. Did not say Prince influenced the Peppers to say anything. Read more carefully, I said it was an observation that I probably was looking for. Mainly, the idea to be expressed was Prince's message about the current state of music from the Musicology premise and to me it came thorugh loud an clear after the SB. I think it was an influential performance. That's all. You may not agree with what I wrote but what was the attack for? I really enjoyed the SB performance and haven't seen something that good for a while. "...this happens far too often on the org. It's annoying and sometimes it shows me how musically uneducated prince fans can be." So, then, Musically "educated" Prince fans are the ones that agree with you? What? To put down my knowledge of music, how I perceive life, etc. seems like a fairly overblown response to what I wrote. Really, why, are you so annoyed by what I wrote? Obviously, my first response was the same thing I accused you of, that was the point. [Edited 2/25/07 17:36pm] | |
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I think that isn't this just a case of a section of the music industry coming out with similar suggestions at more or less the same time? The paucity of 'musical' talent is large - in some opinions - and it's cool that all these musicians want the talent pool to grow.
It's not one person being more or less influential than the others, it's more than one mind sharing a single thought. It's great that Prince is pushing the musicality idea, just as it is great that other musicians are out there doing the same thing... if that's the base of the original post then great. But, Prince's influence, actual personal influence has waned - again in my opinion... and I may be wrong... though I can't imagine Will Ferrell. Sorry, Chad Smith citing Prince as an influence for his call for more musicianship in music. | |
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BoySimon said: I think that isn't this just a case of a section of the music industry coming out with similar suggestions at more or less the same time? The paucity of 'musical' talent is large - in some opinions - and it's cool that all these musicians want the talent pool to grow.
It's not one person being more or less influential than the others, it's more than one mind sharing a single thought. It's great that Prince is pushing the musicality idea, just as it is great that other musicians are out there doing the same thing... if that's the base of the original post then great. But, Prince's influence, actual personal influence has waned - again in my opinion... and I may be wrong... though I can't imagine Will Ferrell. Sorry, Chad Smith citing Prince as an influence for his call for more musicianship in music. Hi BoySimon, Thank you very much for posting - I'm happy to say that your post was refreshing to read!! I guess there really are people on the ORG that do actually have some perspective! The original poster, who eventually retracted on his ridiculous comments, said that he thought that Prince has influenced the industry to seek "real instruments and real musicianship" once again. Well, I don't have to repeat what the said - they're at the top of this topic for you to read. I thought that what he said was ridiculous because it makes huge associations and assumptions. The sad truth is, Prince's influence has wanned. Many musicians/producers/singers/songwriters/etc are influenced by his earlier work - that is true - you can hear it as well but he doesn't have the influence he once had. His superbowl performance, although a far cry from his Lovesexy and even Gold Experience days, didn't influence musicians and fans-alike as the original poster believed. Oh well - this is the ORG and as I said earlier, with the good comes the bad. This post realized it all. Peace, Jaydeep10000 http://www.myspace.com/jaydeep10000 | |
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There is no real way of knowing what if any influence Prince has had on other artists recently but his message is still relevant. I think his SuperBowl performance definitely inspired other artists to step their game up though because anyone who watched that saw how it should be done. Whether or not it has anything to do with P or not I think the Musicology message is a good one. | |
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