independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Why are people trying to look for another Prince?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 02/22/07 2:26pm

NWF

avatar

Why are people trying to look for another Prince?

So I was in the restroom a few minutes ago thinking about this: Why are folks trying to look for another Prince or at least someone who can match his talents? I don't think there will ever be another Prince, or Hendrix, or Beatles. Only they were able to create their music the way they did.

It's like you got guys like Robin Thicke and Jamie Lidell who are often compared to Prince's soulful side. And then you have cats like Andre 3000 and Van Hunt who are often compared to the wild funk/Rock side of Prince. The point is they're not Prince and they should be judged and viewed as themselves and on their own merits.

I have this old clip of The Jam on Tom Snyder's show from back in '81. Tom asked them why critcs were comparing them to The Beatles. But he went on to ask why folks should stop looking for another Beatles or any group coming out of the UK to conquer America and take them as they are.

You know I often come on the org to check out the music forum to see what's popping. Sometimes I come across thread with new artists that are compared to Prince's glory days. 9 times out of 10 I'm usually disappointed to see that they may be inspired by my purple hero, and their music could even be awesome, but there's really no comparison.

It's like, I love Prince and my music is kinda inspired by his, but I'm not looking to be another Prince. I'd like to maybe have the same impact in the usic world as him, but I want to be seen as myself.

And who creates this standard of jurisdiction? Fans? Media? Both?
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 02/22/07 2:29pm

UCantHavaDaMan
go

avatar

I think it's because he's reached icon status. People know that he won't be around forever, but they wish he would be. Having a "new Prince" would make that wish a little closer to reality. Little do they know, no one compares to Prince.
Wanna hear me sing? biggrin www.ChampagneHoneybee.com
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 02/22/07 3:03pm

NWF

avatar

Well we know he won't be around forever, but let's just cherish him while he's stil here on this planet, rocking the fuck out!!!! guitar
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 02/22/07 3:05pm

UCantHavaDaMan
go

avatar

YEAH! woot!!!!


I want to add that this happens with a lot of iconic artists, especially when they die young. I mean, look how everyone fell all over poor Julian Lennon, in hopes that his music would bring John "back from the dead" so to speak. It's a lot of pressure to put on someone. I don't think anyone should be dubbed the new Prince, because they would only disappoint. (That doesn't mean they wouldn't be great in their own right, just not as a Prince substitute.)
[Edited 2/22/07 15:07pm]
Wanna hear me sing? biggrin www.ChampagneHoneybee.com
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 02/22/07 3:21pm

Jakeasaurus

avatar

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 02/22/07 3:28pm

omnithanos

avatar

A more serious question is why have you got the Rio album cover as your avatar?

Actually I'm only kidding, it's a beautiful album cover and I'm surprised that the album itself never gets into any top 100 albums ever list whereas Madonna's Like a Prayer always does.

I just recently bought 7 and the Ragged Tiger which I thought was quite harshly criticised. The seventh stranger, union of the snake and new moon are all wonderful tracks. Didn't like that version of the reflex though. Then I got Notorious which I thought was brilliant but last week it happened to be the only cd in my car so I opted to listen to the radio instead. Overkill.

The boys have a new album in the works, Justin Timberlake is doing a track with them.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 02/22/07 3:30pm

3121

Jakeasaurus said:

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation



Only on the surface. I like Andre 3000 but he doesnt have the abilty of prince at the top of his game. I dont need 'The new prince' - i want the person who can take it from where prince left it. I want the next level, not a rehash or copycat
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 02/22/07 3:32pm

Illustrator

Jakeasaurus said:

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation

While I think he's cool,
he's still just a frog.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 02/22/07 3:44pm

Imago

We're trying to relive all the glory minus Jughead and wedding feast!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 02/22/07 4:04pm

DreamyPopRoyal
ty

avatar

If I was talking to someone and they said that so-and-so is going to be the next Prince, I'd say these three words

"How dare you!"

Seriously, this is almost as appalling to me as anything that makes fun of Prince.

I've said it before and I'll say it as many times as I have to. There never will be another Prince. The guy is one of a kind, a true artist/musician and is a precious treasure that can't be duplicated.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 02/22/07 4:09pm

Se7en

avatar

omnithanos said:

I just recently bought 7 and the Ragged Tiger which I thought was quite harshly criticised. The seventh stranger, union of the snake and new moon are all wonderful tracks. Didn't like that version of the reflex though.


Probably my favorite Duran Duran album. I tend to like the more "experimental" stuff from an artist. I prefer SOTT over Purple Rain . . . I prefer Achtung Baby over Joshua tree, etc.

I think people are looking for another Prince to try to recapture his 1980's level of artistic and commercial success. He really had magic back then. I highly doubt anyone will transform music like ANYONE did before, let alone Prince.

Michael Jackson basically createdMTV; now MTV is a joke and hardly even PLAYS music videos! Hip hop and rap have taken a HORRIBLE turn, and pop music is based on looks rather than talent.

The industry has outgrown Prince, and he has outgrown them. Good thing there is still the touring aspect . . .
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 02/22/07 6:21pm

theodore

Jakeasaurus said:

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation



bored
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 02/22/07 6:27pm

kpowers

avatar

why look, he's been here since 78
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 02/22/07 6:41pm

Se7en

avatar

Jakeasaurus said:

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation


The only similarities are in appearance, IMO. Andre 3000 is extremly talented, don't get me wrong. But he's nowhere near Prince in vocal range or instrumentation.

The way that Andre 3000/Outkast blends sounds together is COMPLETELY different than how Prince did . . . Prince took sounds from all genres and blended them into his own sound.

Outkast more or less sampled and lifted sounds.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 02/22/07 7:41pm

NWF

avatar

omnithanos said:

A more serious question is why have you got the Rio album cover as your avatar?

Actually I'm only kidding, it's a beautiful album cover and I'm surprised that the album itself never gets into any top 100 albums ever list whereas Madonna's Like a Prayer always does.

I just recently bought 7 and the Ragged Tiger which I thought was quite harshly criticised. The seventh stranger, union of the snake and new moon are all wonderful tracks. Didn't like that version of the reflex though. Then I got Notorious which I thought was brilliant but last week it happened to be the only cd in my car so I opted to listen to the radio instead. Overkill.

The boys have a new album in the works, Justin Timberlake is doing a track with them.


Yes, and I am looking forward to that. I thought you were one of those that just didn't get the fact that I'm the ambassador of all things 80's/New Wave here on the org. lol
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 02/22/07 7:43pm

NWF

avatar

Andre is great, but like I said before, he should be judged on his own merits and for who he is. It was like when Prince came out back in the 70's as this musical prodigy. Everybody was saying he was going to be the next Stevie Wonder. But we all know Prince took it to a whole different direction in the years to come.
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 02/22/07 7:52pm

Imago

Jakeasaurus said:

I think Andre 3000 is definitely the Prince of our generation



LMAO. God help "our" generation.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 02/22/07 7:56pm

DreamyPopRoyal
ty

avatar

Here's my philosophy:

"Prince: accept no sustitutions"

I won't compare him to anyone else or say that anyone else is the next Prince cuz there's nobody else like him.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 02/22/07 7:59pm

AsianPrnce777

avatar

shrug
**** Rave Un2 the Soy Fantastic! ****

love : fixed
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 02/22/07 8:00pm

ejnbmore

I like good music and certainly appreciate an artist who allows Prince's music to influence them. I think that any artist worth their weight would want to be an individual and known for what they've brought to their craft not what they've borrowed or sampled. Look at the two Jennifer's of Dreamgirls same song two totally awesome renditions. No one can cover Prince as well as he covers himself. I think that's also why alot of artist don't even go there. Prince is so far ahead of his time, I don't think anyone in the music industry will ever catch up. Lucky for us, eh...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 02/22/07 8:04pm

DreamyPopRoyal
ty

avatar

ejnbmore said:

I like good music and certainly appreciate an artist who allows Prince's music to influence them. I think that any artist worth their weight would want to be an individual and known for what they've brought to their craft not what they've borrowed or sampled. Look at the two Jennifer's of Dreamgirls same song two totally awesome renditions. No one can cover Prince as well as he covers himself. I think that's also why alot of artist don't even go there. Prince is so far ahead of his time, I don't think anyone in the music industry will ever catch up. Lucky for us, eh...


Well said.

I'm all for anyone who's influenced by Prince (he's currently influencing my poetry), it just crosses a line with me when people believe someone could be "the next Prince", as if his actions and words could be duplicated by someone newer and younger.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 02/22/07 10:49pm

sexxydancer

They can look 4ever,but they'll never find 1.There's no 1 else like Prince!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 02/22/07 11:06pm

noimageatall

avatar

There are certain things that change your entire view of the world. That blow you away. The Matrix movies. There may be wannabes, but there will never be another "Matrix."

There will never be another "Prince." I can't say there will not be someone who raises the bar even higher. Although that will have to be a giant leap. When or "if" that happens....it will be...hell, there's no word for it in my vocabulary.

He raised the bar so high, someone would have to be not of this world to surpass him.
"Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 02/23/07 12:51am

mistermcgee

avatar

noimageatall said:

There are certain things that change your entire view of the world. That blow you away. The Matrix movies. There may be wannabes, but there will never be another "Matrix."

There will never be another "Prince." I can't say there will not be someone who raises the bar even higher. Although that will have to be a giant leap. When or "if" that happens....it will be...hell, there's no word for it in my vocabulary.

He raised the bar so high, someone would have to be not of this world to surpass him.



And why is it so often that when sequels come out to movies they suck 99% of the time? It's rare to find good sequels/follow-ups or even remakes. There are exceptions, of course.
I see this especially when someone is more independent and "low budget" and they make a great film, then it becomes a hit, they get all this $$$$ and Hollywood gets it's hands on it, and you can see the shift, the change in the next movie and the 3rd movie, etc. etc.
Another thought: Prince doesn't need to try to recapture or return to what he accomplished before in the 80's. He's been there; he's done it and he's grown older and moved on to do other/new things. There never will be another Prince and Prince himself doesn't have to try to be or do what he's already done.
I want to live in the NOW and appreciate what he's doing today. I can appreciate the past but I can't live in it and live for it.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 02/23/07 1:34am

Lilith

Not looking 4 another Prince... One is more than enough!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 02/23/07 4:49am

fmarasco

NWF said:

So I was in the restroom a few minutes ago thinking about this: Why are folks trying to look for another Prince or at least someone who can match his talents? I don't think there will ever be another Prince, or Hendrix, or Beatles. Only they were able to create their music the way they did.

It's like you got guys like Robin Thicke and Jamie Lidell who are often compared to Prince's soulful side. And then you have cats like Andre 3000 and Van Hunt who are often compared to the wild funk/Rock side of Prince. The point is they're not Prince and they should be judged and viewed as themselves and on their own merits.

I have this old clip of The Jam on Tom Snyder's show from back in '81. Tom asked them why critcs were comparing them to The Beatles. But he went on to ask why folks should stop looking for another Beatles or any group coming out of the UK to conquer America and take them as they are.

You know I often come on the org to check out the music forum to see what's popping. Sometimes I come across thread with new artists that are compared to Prince's glory days. 9 times out of 10 I'm usually disappointed to see that they may be inspired by my purple hero, and their music could even be awesome, but there's really no comparison.

It's like, I love Prince and my music is kinda inspired by his, but I'm not looking to be another Prince. I'd like to maybe have the same impact in the usic world as him, but I want to be seen as myself.

And who creates this standard of jurisdiction? Fans? Media? Both?


I think it's not just the lack of the next prince...we know he's is a true original and we're lucky he's around. The disturbing thing is where the next "big" thing and why has the music industry not produced the next big thing. By that I mean the 60s had the Beatles, Hendrix, the Stones, James Brown, the 70s had Led Z., Bowie, Clinton, Springsteen, the 80s had PE, Prince, U2- and with the advent of video Madonna and Jackson.
The 90s had...well Nirvana- didn't quite make it to that level...hmmm. And this decade has, well a lot of mediocrity. I mean there's been great stuff but no sustainable visionary. One has to wonder if the music industry has created an enivornment where artists cannot grow and prosper at the same time. If prince appeared on the scene today and his career followed the same path would he have been able to release dirty mind...probably not. Now it would be an internet release. Would he have a major studio backing him and believing in him after dropping an album that was not mainstream...Would he continue to grow into the artist that would change music with 1999, PR, SOTT? Maybe someone with Prince's originality, skill and determination could make it but I don't think the musical environment is conducive to developing artists anymore. Hopefully this will change. But everytime I've been excited about an artist they have failed to take that next big step- Beck, OutKast, etc.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 02/23/07 7:54am

tricky99

avatar

mistermcgee said:

noimageatall said:

There are certain things that change your entire view of the world. That blow you away. The Matrix movies. There may be wannabes, but there will never be another "Matrix."

There will never be another "Prince." I can't say there will not be someone who raises the bar even higher. Although that will have to be a giant leap. When or "if" that happens....it will be...hell, there's no word for it in my vocabulary.

He raised the bar so high, someone would have to be not of this world to surpass him.



And why is it so often that when sequels come out to movies they suck 99% of the time? It's rare to find good sequels/follow-ups or even remakes. There are exceptions, of course.
I see this especially when someone is more independent and "low budget" and they make a great film, then it becomes a hit, they get all this $$$$ and Hollywood gets it's hands on it, and you can see the shift, the change in the next movie and the 3rd movie, etc. etc.
Another thought: Prince doesn't need to try to recapture or return to what he accomplished before in the 80's. He's been there; he's done it and he's grown older and moved on to do other/new things. There never will be another Prince and Prince himself doesn't have to try to be or do what he's already done.
I want to live in the NOW and appreciate what he's doing today. I can appreciate the past but I can't live in it and live for it.



Kudos! I'm all for the here and now. I kinda feel sorry for the fans that are still wrapped up in "lovesexy" or SOTT. I revisit them from time to time, but what Prince has been doing in the last few years are just as exciting and memorable for me. I'm all for evolution. And watching Prince evolve is tremendously entertaining for me. I don't judge Prince or expect him to fulfill my expectations. I just want him to do him. that's enough for me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Why are people trying to look for another Prince?