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Reply #60 posted 02/24/07 8:32pm

sosgemini

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I wonder what prince thinks of Graffiti Bridge, New Power Soul, Rave, Musicology and 3121.

the fact of the matter is that prince is and has always been a bundle of contradictions. the difference is that back then he actually opened up and allowed the press to see this vulnerability.
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Reply #61 posted 02/24/07 8:43pm

FreeastheSun

"The temptation is to go right back in the studio an make a killer album..."

Thank god he listened to his inner Prince.

'86 Parade
'87 Sign O' Times



He needs to make another stinker like Parade.
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Reply #62 posted 02/24/07 11:56pm

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ladygirl99 said:


Oh I agreed with that overall about the album is very Euro. Also that sort of explain why it did much better in Europe than here in the States. Also despite at the time R&B stations only played Girls and Boys and Anotherlover just like they would played Housequake or Adore instead of If I was Your Girlfriend, R&B fans who followed Prince around that era agreed that "Kiss" was a misleading single and when he choose Mountain as a second single and heard the album overall, some of those fans thought he lost it. I also read an old Ebony book which published in 1986 and they did a cover article about Prince and like an issue after that one appeared several editorial letters from people who read that Prince issue and dissed him badly not only about the Parade album but his interracial romance with Susannah and also about the way he screamed when he had that nightmare about that black lady so overall some of his former black fans during that era thought he soldout.
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these posts r funny.... Kiss, Mountains, Girls & Boys and Anotherlover....were all over WPGC, WKYS & WHUR here in DC. In fact they would play the 12" versions. DC remains to this day one of his stronger markets along with Detroit. Theses stations also had no problem with playing Raspberry Beret, Pop Life & Shes Always in My Hair on the radio!!!!

Alot of people jumped off the band wagon because unlike Purple Rain or 1999 which were rock and pop albums the work that followed them was extremly uneven and experimental. In any case black people dug the singles from Parade...they just didn't dig the songs around them

I already said that Kiss, Girls & Boys, and Anotherlover did very decent on the R&B charts. I never said that black folks didn't like singles off of Parade and as a matter of fact the Parade singles did better in R&B than pop charts but Mountains happened to fall off the R&B charts quicker than Girls and Boys and Anotherlover. Tell you the truth black folks as I remembered that I hung around with had more issues about his movie than Parade album though. Also when I said that Kiss was a misleading single it was because some people expected the album to be like Kiss but when folks heard Mountains, that really hurted the album from further success. The album would probably did better in pop charts had he released something compatable to Kiss which was Girls and Boys. Although he choose Anotherlover as his third single, it was too late because the album was already dropping further from the pop charts.
Like you just mentioned and I also said that Raspberry Beret and Pop Life are to this day the only singles off ATWIAD that the R&B stations that listened to from the internet and local station plays.
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Reply #63 posted 03/07/07 4:18pm

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"Prince released 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Parade, Sign & Lovesexy all in a f'in row. The breadth of material he covered and well in these records was staggering. You will never see it again"

Also Jill Jones, Sheila E, Madhouse and The Time all had strong albums, Mazarti, Andre Cymone etc had strong tracks and the tours ... the tours were awesome. I don't think any musician had a more creative five years as P did around then.
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Reply #64 posted 03/07/07 4:47pm

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So Prince says nothing on the album is any good except Kiss. Yet 6 months later, he makes "Girls & Boys" the only pre 87 song he does in full on the SOTT tour.....

Hmmm...walking contradition.....
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Reply #65 posted 03/07/07 5:14pm

peterfalconer

SquirrelMeat said:

So Prince says nothing on the album is any good except Kiss. Yet 6 months later, he makes "Girls & Boys" the only pre 87 song he does in full on the SOTT tour.....

Hmmm...walking contradition.....



I agreed with whoever said Prince was his own least qualified critic. It's like he pulled the Black Album because it was "Evil", and then performed Superfunkycalifragisexy and Bob George on the Lovesexy tour. Bob George, for Christ's sake!
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Reply #66 posted 03/07/07 5:15pm

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I really think Prince is talking about the production, not the songs and their structure/compositions themselves. I think he feels he half baked the production on some of the tunes... the arrangements...
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Reply #67 posted 03/07/07 5:18pm

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ufoclub said:

I really think Prince is talking about the production, not the songs and their structure/compositions themselves. I think he feels he half baked the production on some of the tunes... the arrangements...


You see, I think it's the other way around - some of the songs are flimsy, but the arrangements and productions are so interesting I still rank the album as one of my very favourites.

Mountains, for example, isn't the greatest SONG in the world, but the production and arrangement just make it fantastic.
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Reply #68 posted 03/07/07 5:25pm

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peterfalconer said:

ufoclub said:

I really think Prince is talking about the production, not the songs and their structure/compositions themselves. I think he feels he half baked the production on some of the tunes... the arrangements...


You see, I think it's the other way around - some of the songs are flimsy, but the arrangements and productions are so interesting I still rank the album as one of my very favourites.

Mountains, for example, isn't the greatest SONG in the world, but the production and arrangement just make it fantastic.


I'm thinking this because of the way he spices them up live. Personally I think almost half the songs are perfectly produced (New Position, Girls and Boys, Kiss, Mountains). The other ones are cool experiments but at the time sounded a but lightweight when I first put down the needle to the record. Now, I like hearing it all, but I can remember my first impression.
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Reply #69 posted 03/07/07 8:11pm

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I saw Prince 3 weeks ago and he performed 2 songs from Parade (Kiss and Girls and Boys); 0 songs for Around The World In A Day. On the Live At The Aladdin DVD Prince performs Sometimes It Snows In April. I think that Prince has changed his opinion of the Parade album since this article. At least I hope because Parade is my favorite Prince album. Maybe Prince and I will just have to disagree on this record and men wearing spiked heels biggrin
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Reply #70 posted 03/08/07 6:04am

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Critics.....scum!
This was a great lp, anyway you look at it. I don't care if P himself doesn't even like it. I found it exellent. Sounds like it was engineered on another planet, yet funky as all that!
Jimmy Jam & Terry loved it as well!
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Reply #71 posted 03/08/07 6:09am

Diosuni

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peterfalconer said:

SquirrelMeat said:

So Prince says nothing on the album is any good except Kiss. Yet 6 months later, he makes "Girls & Boys" the only pre 87 song he does in full on the SOTT tour.....

Hmmm...walking contradition.....



I agreed with whoever said Prince was his own least qualified critic. It's like he pulled the Black Album because it was "Evil", and then performed Superfunkycalifragisexy and Bob George on the Lovesexy tour. Bob George, for Christ's sake!


Yeah dig that, The Black Album was smokin'! I don't know where the evil lies at, Cindy C? C'mon, Bob was classic -funny, and the knock on the rappers at that time was Dddddd dead on it!
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Reply #72 posted 03/08/07 6:12am

SoulAlive

ladygirl99 said:

I appreciated Parade the way it is over the years. When I first heard it, I was disappointed by it because I still expected a funkier album or close to Purple Rain but still I like it better than ATWIAD.

I wondered would the album sold better had he released Girls and Boys and then Anotherloverholenyohead instead of Mountains? No dispresect to that song and I love it dont get me wrong but that wasn't a radio-friendly tune! I think that Bobby Z said the same thing that Prince should have chosen Girls and Boys as his second single. Once he choose Mountains, the album just falling off the charts in the US. I noticed that when I found and listened to those yearbyyear mixes that Chicago and NYC DJs did in 1986, I often heard Girls and Boys, Kiss, and Anotherloverholenyohead because they did very well in R&B charts and were more R&Bish but never Mountains.

I think that Prince made that comment at the time because 1986 was a very rough year for him and he was devastated with Under the Cherry Moon's failure and the album didn't do that well like he hope for. You guys right he still does play the songs from that album. I think that Prince is proud of that album overall.


I completely agree! "Girls And Boys" should have been the second single.That song is fun,catchy and danceable."Mountains" was a bad choice for a single.Imo,'Parade' only has three radio-friendly songs:

"Kiss"
"Girls And Boys"
"Anotherloverholenyohead"


He should have just released those songs as the singles,in that order.I bet the album would have done so much better."Girls And Boys" would have been a surefire Top 10 smash.
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Reply #73 posted 03/08/07 7:16am

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SoulAlive said:

ladygirl99 said:

I appreciated Parade the way it is over the years. When I first heard it, I was disappointed by it because I still expected a funkier album or close to Purple Rain but still I like it better than ATWIAD.

I wondered would the album sold better had he released Girls and Boys and then Anotherloverholenyohead instead of Mountains? No dispresect to that song and I love it dont get me wrong but that wasn't a radio-friendly tune! I think that Bobby Z said the same thing that Prince should have chosen Girls and Boys as his second single. Once he choose Mountains, the album just falling off the charts in the US. I noticed that when I found and listened to those yearbyyear mixes that Chicago and NYC DJs did in 1986, I often heard Girls and Boys, Kiss, and Anotherloverholenyohead because they did very well in R&B charts and were more R&Bish but never Mountains.

I think that Prince made that comment at the time because 1986 was a very rough year for him and he was devastated with Under the Cherry Moon's failure and the album didn't do that well like he hope for. You guys right he still does play the songs from that album. I think that Prince is proud of that album overall.


I completely agree! "Girls And Boys" should have been the second single.That song is fun,catchy and danceable."Mountains" was a bad choice for a single.Imo,'Parade' only has three radio-friendly songs:

"Kiss"
"Girls And Boys"
"Anotherloverholenyohead"


He should have just released those songs as the singles,in that order.I bet the album would have done so much better."Girls And Boys" would have been a surefire Top 10 smash.


I agree with your order of singles except for one. Replace "Anotherloverholenyohead" with "New Position". The songs have a retro feel to them, which people were already pissed about, but "Anotherloverholenyohead" had that orchestra shit in it that everyone was making fun of. "New Position" would have been a better choice.
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Reply #74 posted 03/08/07 11:38am

NorthernLad

vainandy said:



I agree with your order of singles except for one. Replace "Anotherloverholenyohead" with "New Position". The songs have a retro feel to them, which people were already pissed about, but "Anotherloverholenyohead" had that orchestra shit in it that everyone was making fun of. "New Position" would have been a better choice.



I agree 100%. New Position is the forgotten song from that album, IMHO. It has that stripped-down funky vibe that made "Kiss" so successful, but it's a completely different direction.

I always thought it odd in this interview that Prince thought he didn't have much good material... puhleeze!! There were some great outtakes from this era!!!
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Reply #75 posted 03/08/07 12:06pm

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NorthernLad said:

vainandy said:



I agree with your order of singles except for one. Replace "Anotherloverholenyohead" with "New Position". The songs have a retro feel to them, which people were already pissed about, but "Anotherloverholenyohead" had that orchestra shit in it that everyone was making fun of. "New Position" would have been a better choice.



I agree 100%. New Position is the forgotten song from that album, IMHO. It has that stripped-down funky vibe that made "Kiss" so successful, but it's a completely different direction.

I always thought it odd in this interview that Prince thought he didn't have much good material... puhleeze!! There were some great outtakes from this era!!!


I remember the day the album came out. I picked my copy up that afternoon but the radio DJs had their's early that morning. They were playing the hell out of "New Position" all day long.....until they discovered "Do U Lie" and "Venus De Milo". Then they started playing those two a few times....followed by having people call in and answer the question....."What the HELL happened to Prince?!"
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Reply #76 posted 03/08/07 2:19pm

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I also remember buying my copy the day it came out. God I just LOVE this album...did the day I bought it, still do now. Do u Lie and New Position are still 2 of my all time fave P songs. I remember taping the video to Girls and Boys from TOTP here in U.K and watching it over and over.


I was still 16 almost 17 then, i'm 37 almost 38 now and would love to briefly experience those feelings once again of the first day buying of the new Prince album. I remember so clearly the days I bought PR, ATWIAD, Parade, Sign o the Times,Lovesexy and even Batman & G. Bridge (tho by GB the magical feeling had started to wain a little 4 me).

Great album, great days biggrin
" A mind changed against its will, is of the same opinion still"
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Reply #77 posted 03/13/07 4:19am

SoulAlive

vainandy said:

I agree with your order of singles except for one. Replace "Anotherloverholenyohead" with "New Position". The songs have a retro feel to them, which people were already pissed about, but "Anotherloverholenyohead" had that orchestra shit in it that everyone was making fun of. "New Position" would have been a better choice.


One problem though: "New Position" is too brief.The song is over before it really begins,lol.In fact,the first three or four songs are too short."Anotherloverholenyohead" is classic Prince! It made sense to make that one a single.
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Reply #78 posted 03/13/07 4:44am

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I would imagine he's a little more fond of it these days.
If not, he needs to come see me.

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Reply #79 posted 03/13/07 5:08am

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NDRU said:

I think part of that attitude was a result of the movie failing in such a spectacular fashion.

I think maybe he viewed the whole project (movie & album) as a failure for a while, even breaking up his band. But we've seen him cover Girls & Boys, Sometimes it Snows..., Kiss since then, so maybe he's accepted it a bit more again.


i've always thought that prince judges his past music less on his artistic achievements or the quality of the work, and more on where his mind was at the time, what was going on in his life, who he surrounded himself with, whether he was happy or unhappy, etc....so if he made 'parade' during a bleak time in his life, even if it was a blip on the map of his life, then i can see him thinking it wasn't a great album.

which brings me back to my previous statement about how prince isn't qualified to criticize prince albums. lol
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That's so true. Just look at the singles that he has missed on his albums.
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Reply #80 posted 03/13/07 5:14am

jdcxc

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Just to make this a racial thing (because that's a always so fun on these threads) Parade is maybe his most white album, certainly the most European sounding.

He was having issues at the time of people saying he'd abandoned black folks, his first fans (the movie had the same questions asked of it).

Sign was more R&B, and then of course the Black Album took it further.

Maybe that's part of his disowning of it at the time.


That's ridiculous. Parade is a progressive "funk" album that is very much rooted in the bass and drums. Just listen to New Position, Anotherloverholenyohead, Kiss, Girls and Boys to name a few. As Prince said, "Try my new Funk." P is too complicated to breakdown into white/black musical idioms.
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Reply #81 posted 04/04/07 6:43am

Diosuni

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Little Bro' was confused back then..that lp was genius!!!!
Sounded like an alien produced that.....fantabulasticly GRRRRReat!!!!!
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Reply #82 posted 04/04/07 6:47am

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I forgot....when that was sent to me it was in cassette form and that was the only tape i literally burned up from playing so much!
My man has never put out a total piece of shit recording.....EVER!!!!!
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Reply #83 posted 04/04/07 7:29am

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maybe thats how he felt at the time. I also thought it was a little weird at the time too (I was only 15 when it came out), but if that record was new now and came out today people would still buy it and love it. I beleive the record was FAR ahead of its time and that even Prince didnt realise how good it was. If you asked him now, Im sure he would say its one of his finest.. .
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Reply #84 posted 04/04/07 8:31am

shaomi

I really can't see Prince saying such a thing. Just not his style 2 criticize himself like that. I already heard of this "interview" & i always thought it's a fake one or at least a very exaggerated one. do we have any proof of this interview's authenticity?
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Reply #85 posted 04/04/07 10:08pm

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shaomi said:

I really can't see Prince saying such a thing. Just not his style 2 criticize himself like that. I already heard of this "interview" & i always thought it's a fake one or at least a very exaggerated one. do we have any proof of this interview's authenticity?


I think Prince was just trying to distance himself from The Revolution/Wendy & Lisa... He's made disparaging remarks about his previous works on more than one occasion just to hype up the next one.
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Reply #86 posted 04/04/07 11:39pm

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He JusT RELAIZED THAt He MIght B GayYYY AT Th3 TimE!!@ is WUT HPPEN 2 palraede!@
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