I thought this would be the first year he'd be eligible, right? Or is it 2004? But he's not even on the list of nominees. What a travesty of an oversight!

From Rolling Stone online:

The Police, the Clash, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, ABBA, and the Patti Smith Group are among the fifteen acts who will appear on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot for the class of 2003.

Also up for possible induction are Lynyrd Skynyrd, the MC5, Kraftwerk, AC/DC, the Sex Pistols, the Righteous Brothers, Steve Winwood, the Dells, Chic and Black Sabbath.

To qualify for induction an act has to have released a recording twenty-five years prior to the induction year. In addition to Skynyrd, AC/DC and the Dells, Sabbath have been on the ballot multiple times. In fact, despite a letter two years ago from frontman Ozzy Osbourne asking that Black Sabbath be left off, this year marks the metal vets sixth year on the ballot. "I just know we're not gonna win, up against people like Paul McCartney and Eric Clapton," Osbourne said. "Believe me, I don't give a fuck if I get in or not, however it'd be nice for my kids."

The 2003 class of inductees will likely be issued in December, with the induction ceremony scheduled for next spring in New York City. This past February, the Ramones, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and the Talking Heads were among the inductees.

Sometimes I think Prince has probably burnt too many bridges to expect a swift induction. He might be regarded within the music industry the same way Lisa Bonet is at NBC: more of a brat than an artiste.

Supernova said:

1978 + 25 = 2003. and the Police are being nominated from a 1978 album. why not Prince?

Its kinda weird. The Police are the *only* group on the list that released their first album in 1978. But so did Van Halen, so where are they? It could be argued Van Halen were more popular and had a bigger impact than the Police, I dont think they would leave them off in their first year either. I think the cut-off period isn't just the year. It might be sometime within the year, sort of like the grammy award nominations when your record has to be released no later than a certain month within a certain year.
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Aaron said:

Just becuz.

Really,you know what Thread Bare you are talking about Prince being flawed and all and you know What? You are the Flawed one not him! Prince is Perfect and I was Stupid to Ever say I don't care and everything cause he is Perfect! And he has Every Right to act like he is Entitled cause he certainly Is! Yes, 2004 is his first year for Nomination and you Know what? He Just better Get Inducted. Prince was Cool on MTV in 1986 he said"I DON'T Think I'M Better Just Different than other Musicians." Well,Prince I'll say it for You. You Are Better no One is as Talented as You are and I can't believe how Humble he Is! This is even More Sexy people. So Remember this Hall Of Fame people Prince Could Whop Everybody's Butt if he wanted to. He Certainly could put out Another Highly Commercial Project. He CHOOSES to try a Different Direction for the Sake of Art and MUSICIANSHIP. This Truly makes him Special. He is Not in it For the Money,Awards,Limelight or Fame. I think he Abhors this Brass Sensationalism. In Fact I Know he Does. He just Really wants a Simple ,Happy Life and doesn't Expect Trumpets or Symphonies or Grand Progressions or even Sonatas. He is just a Real,Down to Earth person who is Totally Dedicated to the Music. And Musicians Dance to Their own Beat.

Lame. I knew this would probably happen. Of course Blondie didn't get a nomination either.

Wolf said:

"Artists become eligible for the Hall of Fame 25 years after the release of their first record."

Are we misunderstanding the rules? Maybe we misunderstand the word 'after'? In January when the finals are announced it won't exactly be 25 years 'after' will it?I don't know but like I said, it's odd that the Police are the *only* group on the list that came out in 1978 when not even Van Halen are included.

IF I remember correctly, the Hall of Fame cut off is May 31st, 1978.

Prince released "For You" on June 7th 1978.

Grammy cutt-off is at the end of October.

Someone needs to check when the Police record was released, as well as Van Halen's cd.

BASTARDS!!!

For additional information (after Sept 11 2002) log onto TheDetroitCrawl.Org's Roc... Fame page.

Thank you to J7 for all your great work. I actually thought, just like the rest of us, that 2003 means 2003 as in 25 years after. Guess not.

So, who is with TheDetroitCrawl in March 2004? As you take a look at the page on the web site, we plan to hit Cleveland when Prince is inducted. ...

TRON said:

damn them!!!

jseven said:

april of '78, dahling...the single 4 "soft and wet" wuz released on the 7th of june, i think...

this is off of the top of my head, so forgive me if i may be wrong, date-wise.

Those damn BASTARDS!!! Damn them 2 hell!!!

CDNOW has a release date of OCt 78 for For You..but everything I have been reading about the Hall of Fame doesnt mention any cut off days..Its all just comments on 25 years..

It really doesnt make any since for the Hall of Fame to have a cute off date like the Grammys...The grammys have it because they neeed to tally votes and have enough time to do the announcements and the show...The rock&roll thang was created much more recent and the awards thing was never looked at as an awards ceremony..just an oppurtunity to jam...

but if late, many people have complained about how sanatized the ceremonies are becoming now that the cameras are there...

jseven said:

The Police's first EP was released May 1977. Their first single (Roxanne b/w Peanuts) was released April 1978. But their first LP (Outlandos D'Amour) was not released until November 1978. This was taken from The Police's Box-Set "Message In A Box" liner notes...

RIAA

'nuff said.

question!

does it have to be an album? or can it be a single?

for example, Madonna.

her first comercially released single was for "Everybody" in late 1982. but her first album wasn't released until mid 1983. so would she be eligible for the single release in 2007? or for the album release in 2008?

Aaron said:

the day Madonna gets in will be the official day ROCK&ROLL is dead...

SkletonKee said:

uh, yeah, okay mr. swing out sister

there Rules&Politics are a Bad Joke IMHO.it's almost like Baseball.IMHO Prince,Van Halen,Rick James,Bobby Womack,anybody else that is suppose to be there should.

Aaron said:[quote]SkletonKee said:[quote]

Aaron said:

hey, their site is better then npgmc...i stick to that statement....but i dont go around saying they are these wonderful artists that have changed music forever...i know they are cheesy pop...but i still love them..


i just dont understand why maddy fans cant admit the same..they tend to go on rants about how she is a modern feminist and how her music revolutionized the world...talk about the chick is America's Kyle Manogue..At least Kyle doesnt take herself *that* serious..and she even admits to being annoyed at Maddy's seriousness...You know what, now that I think of it, Babara Streisand had this same problem...The women need to lighten up..




hump the edit!!!
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SkletonKee said:

hey, be annoyed all you want. and no one's said her music changed the world. there is no denying that she has had a dramatic impact on popular culture in the last 20 years, the same way that Elvis did in the 50's, the Beatles did in the 60's and Bowie did in the 70's.

don't blame Madonna fans just because you can't see the truth


oh, and you know, i never really said any of this initially. you brought it up. i just used her as an example to ask whether or not a single or an album makes an artist eligible for the R&R hall of fame.
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[This message was edited Tue Sep 10 23:57:11 PDT 2002 by Aaron]

Bowie in the 80's? uhhh, dont you mean 70's?

and your right, this rant was misplaced..but, its late and im getting sleepy and i should be allowed an occasional rant now and then...just like you? hehehehehehehe


sure, you can equate her media hype to that of Elvis, The Beatles and Bowie, but...to equate her music is another thing...which, is my issue with most of her diehard fans..they refuse to admit that her music is quality cheese pop at best. which, is one of the reasons I dont think she will be accepted in the the R&R Hall of Fame immediatly..Youve got some serious musicians who are being passed over year after year...and the fact that Prince might now have recieved initial admittance is not suprising to me (hey, i just tied this back to the subject at hand..heheheh), prince at times took his media persona too serious at times, not serious enough at others and just straight crazy during other periods..sadly, this might cloud peoples judgement of his music and he might be overlooked...but, eventually he will get in...

Maddy on the other hand, something tells me she is going to create a big hush hush campaign to get herself inducted, simply so she can gain credibility...while prince doesnt care about being inducted or not, I wouldnt expect anything less from Maddy..

Honestly do you REALLY care???

SkletonKee said:

that's what i said!



oh, she will. don't doubt it. whether she SHOULD have to wait or not is another matter. one i'm undecided on. but you can't say that her music is cheese pop at best. for the kind of pop that it is, it is the best. it is cutting edge. for pop music, it leads the way. no, she doesn't invent much of it. or any of it, for that matter. but she does pick the coolest things and makes it safe for the mainstream. she's always riding at the head of the wave and taking underground things to the top. and though she does switch styles frequently and get the hippest producers to work with her, all of her work does have a distinctive Madonna style to it no matter who's working on it. and that there is a cohesiveness to her work speaks well of her own musical abilities when you look at the laundry list of top producers she's either introduced or jumped on.



quite true. but back to Madonna yes, serious musicians are being passed over all the time. but Madonna makes no bones about what she does. she knows she's not the best singer or the best dancer or the best songwriter. but she takes what she has and does her best with it. and for the KIND of music that it is, it's the best in that genre.



and you shouldn't. if Prince was smart, he'd be doing the same. and if you don't think he cares about it, you're crazy. maybe not this year, but it will become important to him the more times he's passed over. you want to take bets on how soon it'll be before there's some snide remark posted on the npgmc site about him not being picked, while at the same time downplaying the talents of those who were?


and re: your comments about Kylie.

she better be damn glad that Madonna's so serious about herself, or Kylie wouldn't know what to sing or do from one year to the next. btw, when did Kylie come up for air from kissing Madonna's ass constantly to utter a criticism?
[This message was edited Wed Sep 11 0:12:49 PDT 2002 by Aaron]

If Kylie truly said that then she sucks.

Watch out world, the Impossible Pimpstress said something!

chookalana said:

This makes alot of sense. The rules state that a 'record'has to be released. Not necessarily an album. You know, I thought in my mind that they did release something before 1978 but I couldn't remember what exactly it was.

SkletonKee said:

Uh, the rock hall has to tally votes and have enough time to organize the show too. Thats how everyone gets in. By vote. Ask Jann Wenner.

Aaron said:

The rules say it about a 'record'. Nothing about an album is mentioned. So I think it could be either one.