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Reply #30 posted 02/13/07 10:14pm

estelle81

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jaypotton said:

How different do you think Prince's career would have been if he had:

1) Not fallen out with Warner Bros

2) Not changed his name

3) Released the Come album in 1993 with the following possible tracklist (note that Letitgo wouldn't have been recorded and "The Hits" would come later)...

Come
Name (aka What's My Name)
Interactive
Come (speedy short version)
Space
Pheromone
Loose
Papa
Race
Eighteen (aka 18 & Over)
Dark
Peach
Pope
Come (slow long version) - continuing into hidden track:
Strays (aka Strays Of The World)

4) Released TGE in 1994 with the following possible tracklist...

The Gold Experience
Pussy Control
Endorphinmachine
Shhh!
We March
Days Of Wild
The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
Dolphin
Now
Acknowledge Me
319
Shy
Billy Jack Bitch
Eye Hate U
Gold

What do people think?


I don't think it would have mattered, because people still had the image of Prince in that yellow ass-less jumpsuit stuck in their heads. The feud with Warner and the name change just cemented it in these people's minds that, yep, Prince really has lost his damn mind. Personally, I just think these two factors just added more insult to injury. The only song that I really like on "Come" is "Letitgo", but I do like "Pope", so hmmm...nope, can't live without "Letitgo". I love "Acknowledge Me", so I would have actually preferred this over the real "Gold Experience".
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Sunset: April 21, 2016
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Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity.
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Reply #31 posted 02/13/07 10:15pm

Snap

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Y'all R 4getting. Prince didn't want commercial success in the 90's and into the 2000's. His trip was all about "fuck the system" and then in the late 90's it was "I'm #1 at the bank and I knew my purple rain fans wouldn't stay with me" and in the 2000's it was "See, I tried to go commercial with Rave and got screwed" and now (2005-07) that nobody cares, he is being Mr. Nice Guy. IMHO.


he definitely wanted to go commercial with Gold
and Graffiti, Diamonds, & prince
he fought HARD with WB over this issue
i think he first stopped looking for hits after Rave fizzled
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Reply #32 posted 02/13/07 10:22pm

estelle81

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bellanoche said:

rainbowchild said:

coulda shoulda woulda....what if he never disbanded Revolution?


Then he never would have grown or evolved as a musician. As fans we would not have experienced all the great music and amazing live shows that the wonderfully talented musicians from the SOTT, LoveSexy and NPG bands have given us. Disbanding the Revolution was one of the best moves Prince ever made. It exemplified his willingness to take chances and explore new things. It also demonstrated his desire to grow as a musician.


clapping I agree. He had the guts to step out of his safety zone and try something different, something that I admire from any artist, which is probably why I think music sucks soo much nowadays. Nobody is willing to step out of their safety bubble and try something new. I love the Revolution, but he had reached the stars with them success-wise and also music-wise; and since you can't go any higher than that, might as well try something different, otherwise it becomes boring and generic and we all know that Prince doesn't do boring.
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Sunrise: June 7, 1958
Sunset: April 21, 2016
~My Heart Loudly Weeps

"My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince

Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity.
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Reply #33 posted 02/13/07 10:31pm

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ElCapitan said:

Anyway, Pussy Control would get no airplay back then (hell maybe not even now), BUT, that song was an underground hit.


Yeah, I agree. No radio station in America was going to risk being fined by the FCC to play "Pussy Control". If they actually did put it on the radio, it would have been extremely edited and would have most likely sucked. Damn, I hate that...main reason why I absolutely refuse to buy any music from Wal-Mart. lol Man, this makes me think about the night when I was in Wal-Mart and these two guys were asking me if I had seen a copy of Lloyd Banks CD. I soo wanted to tell them to just save their time and money; and just buy it from a store where they don't take away your rights to listen to swear words on something you pay your hard earned money to buy, but it was late and I wanted to go home and get some sleep.
Prince Rogers Nelson
Sunrise: June 7, 1958
Sunset: April 21, 2016
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"My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince

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Reply #34 posted 02/14/07 2:23am

jaypotton

Spanky said:

Y'all R 4getting. Prince didn't want commercial success in the 90's and into the 2000's. His trip was all about "fuck the system" and then in the late 90's it was "I'm #1 at the bank and I knew my purple rain fans wouldn't stay with me" and in the 2000's it was "See, I tried to go commercial with Rave and got screwed" and now (2005-07) that nobody cares, he is being Mr. Nice Guy. IMHO.


Gotta disagree with you there. In 1992 Prince was ALL about commercial success and this was in fact the basis of his fall out with Warners:

1) Early 92 Prince signs the reputed $100million deal with WB for 6 albums that guaranteed Prince an advance of $10million per album but ONLY if the previous album had sold over 5 million copies (as D&P had).

2) Prince felt that WB had not marketed/supported prince adequately as it only sold in the region of 2 million thereby negating the advance in the contract.

3) Warners for their part had hoped Prince would slow his output to allow more time to milk each release (like most major artists releasing an album every 2-3 yrs)

It was only really in this millenium that Prince became less concerned about commercial success (until Musicology that is).
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #35 posted 02/14/07 2:25am

jaypotton

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Great track lists, but no it would not have changed anything, because Prince wasn't behind his contract filler albums. He should have been but then again Warner's wasn't behind him either. Had P & Warner's been in sync, P probably would have approached his track listing & song versions better. If i remember correctly P was promoting TGE way before it was released, he was promoting it while Come should have been getting promoted. There was an award show that P performed at and he sang I Hate U & Billy Jack Bitch (I think) and nothing from Come (and Come was the new album). It was just too much BS going on back then.


Except in my scenario (point one) Prince didn't fall out with Warner Bros and therefore Come would not have been a contract filler album! Also, having Come out in 93 getting appropriate promotion from both parties leaves the way clear for promoting TGE in 94!
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #36 posted 02/14/07 2:28am

jaypotton

Snap said:

jaypotton said:

For me the main point is that TGE *should* have been released off the back of the success of TMBGITW instead of around 18 mths later!


that was the plan


Yep he wanted to release Come as Prince and TGE as prince simultaneously in summer 1994 but unsurprisingly Warners said no way! In fact Warners asked Prince to include TMBGITW on Come and he refused. Endorphinmachine was also on early configurations of Come. Basically once the fall out started Prince, IMHO, sabotaged Come as it became a contract filler.
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Reply #37 posted 02/14/07 2:47am

SoulAlive

jaypotton said:

Snap said:



that was the plan


Yep he wanted to release Come as Prince and TGE as prince simultaneously in summer 1994 but unsurprisingly Warners said no way! In fact Warners asked Prince to include TMBGITW on Come and he refused. Endorphinmachine was also on early configurations of Come. Basically once the fall out started Prince, IMHO, sabotaged Come as it became a contract filler.



Many fans will disagree with me,but here's what I think should have happened:

'Come' should have never been released boxed That album is obvious contract filler and it's clearly not Prince at his best.Instead,he should have released 'The Gold Experience' in the summer of 94',but with the original tracklist ("Days Of Wild","Interactive","Ripopgodazippa",etc).The album should have also included "Acknowledge Me" and "Hide The Bone".This album would have been HUGE in the summer of '94! Release "Hide The Bone" as the first single,go on a big summer tour and this project would have been unstoppable!

Instead,he released 'Come' which was a "softer" album with fewer highlights,and he tinkered with 'TGE',removing some truly amazing songs and re-recording many of the existing tracks.By the time it was finally released in late 1995,the thrill was gone.Many fans had already heard most of the songs.He waited too long.
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Reply #38 posted 02/14/07 3:33am

SoulAlive

so basically,what I'm saying is,he should have shelved 'Come' and instead,released this album in the summer of 94.I'm gonna title it 'Days Of Wild' because I always thought 'The Gold Experience' is an odd title for an album,lol...


PRINCE 'DAYS OF WILD' (release date: Summer of 1994)

Days Of Wild
Hide The Bone
Interactive
Endorphinmachine
Acknowledge Me
Ripopgodazippa
The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
Shhh
Dolphin
Now
319
Shy
Billy Jack Bitch
Eye Hate U
Gold


I know damn well that,in the summer of '94,an album like this would have been well-received.It would have fared better than 'Come'.


Singles:

"Hide The Bone"
"319"
"Eye Hate U"
"Gold"


hmmm
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Reply #39 posted 02/14/07 3:37am

SoulAlive

ufoclub said:

Days of Wild should have been a single.


I was thinking it could have been a single,but they would have had to edit out the bad words lol I'm not sure it would have had the same impact,lol
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Reply #40 posted 02/14/07 5:19pm

origmnd

Who cares at this point?

The songs were great regardless of reviews or sales.
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Reply #41 posted 02/14/07 10:44pm

bellanoche

origmnd said:

Who cares at this point?

The songs were great regardless of reviews or sales.


clapping I totally agree!
perfection is a fallacy of the imagination...
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Reply #42 posted 02/14/07 10:58pm

P2daP

Ahh, it's all for the better, more fans only means more headaches, harder to get rare stuff, harder to meet prince, harder to get tickets to shows, harder to get into aftershows (which is hard enough already). I think a part of Prince is happy where he is now. While another part wants the big time recored sales. (which is natural)
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