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MIGUELGOMEZ

I just found this interesting article....Jehovah Witness no more?

http://allied.blogspot.co...ovahs.html

Any music fan who watched the Super Bowl last night could rightly walk into work this morning and say, "Did you see the bears and colts play football during Prince's Concert?"

It was that good. And, at other levels, it was interesting too.

For any artist familiar with the restrictive, cultish tactics of the jehovah's witnesses, watching the halftime show at this year's Super Bowl represented a lot more than catching a great live concert by Prince. The entire performance was riddled with symbolism that could only leave current and former JWs doing double take after double take, wondering what Prince was trying to 'say'.

I think Prince's merging of All Along the Watchtower with Foo Figher's The Best of You, followed up by Purple Rain, performed while doning his classic symbol, his signature guitar magnified as it rippled against the night sky, full and phallic, larger than life against a ghostly white backdrop, was Prince's way of saying goodbye to the Organization, was Prince's way of saying, "you're not messin with me anymore."

Maybe I'm projectiong. Maybe not.

It's not a simple thing -- the passionate belief and seeking of Truth, the sacrifice of self, the heart vs the mind, all targeted by well-honed thought control vs the single thread of hope for what being human means: Freedom of thought. You kind of have to have been there to grok it.

What I think? That Artist giving that performance at that event, performing those songs that way, wearing that symbol on that stage -- I think he just said goodbye to the Watchtower.

And if he didn't, and they don't disfellowship him for that display, well--it only further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the JWs that makes for madness in those who've ever been shamed at a Kingdom Hall.

(Video Transcription)
Prince's Watchtower Medley

All along the watchtower
princes kept a view
while the women came and wept
their foot servants too
outside in the cold distance
a wild cat did growl
two riders were approaching
and the wind began to howl

I ain't going on to someone new
I needed somewhere to hang my head
Without your noose
You gave me something that I didn't have
But had no use

I was too weak to give in
Too strong to lose

My heart is under arrest again
But I'll break loose
My head is giving me life or death
I Will Choose

I swear I'd never give in
'cause I refuse.

is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?

Is someone taking your faith?
Its real, the pain you feel
you must confess.

Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
[solo]
...the best the best the best of you?

Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?

I got another confession
my friend,
I ain't no fool.
MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #1 posted 02/05/07 8:22pm

toejam

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Interesting theory. While I wouldn't bet on it, it's certainly plausible. But who really cares? It still ROCKED razz
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Reply #2 posted 02/05/07 8:52pm

Anx

i don't think this is true, but it's an interesting theory.
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Reply #3 posted 02/05/07 8:54pm

7kisses4U

I would say this person is projecting, Prince will remain a JW.
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Reply #4 posted 02/05/07 8:57pm

Imago

This can't be true. I heard that Jehova's Witnesses can't leave or else they get killed in some ritual or something like that. shrug
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Reply #5 posted 02/05/07 9:03pm

FruitToAttract
Bears

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Maybe he's really not JW?!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xDLDLvl4KTw

lol

this guy talks like Elmer Fudd

i cant figure this out:

he can't go in a club with dragons painted on the walls, but he can play the superbowl which breaks a million rules?

no participating of sports
no national anthem
no fireworks
no dancing
no "worldly" music
no "go go" dancers

etc, etc... confused
"18 years old, and she knows her funk!!! headbang"
~ funkpill
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Reply #6 posted 02/05/07 9:24pm

SexyBeautifulO
ne

Interesting, indeed!
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Reply #7 posted 02/05/07 9:43pm

HereToRockYour
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I actually thought that while I was watching it.

I think I'll go ahead and get my hopes up. biggrin I always thought he was too smart for that shit, and I sure do love being right, so I'm going to just assume I am. thumbs up!
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1!
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Reply #8 posted 02/05/07 10:32pm

RobDogg27

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FruitToAttractBears said:

Maybe he's really not JW?!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xDLDLvl4KTw

lol

this guy talks like Elmer Fudd

i cant figure this out:

he can't go in a club with dragons painted on the walls, but he can play the superbowl which breaks a million rules?

no participating of sports
no national anthem
no fireworks
no dancing
no "worldly" music
no "go go" dancers
etc, etc... confused


falloff
I gotta find that rule book somewhere!
[Edited 2/5/07 22:49pm]
If u and I were just ten feet closer, then I'd make u understand
Everything I want 2 do 2 ur body baby, I will do 2 ur head
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Reply #9 posted 02/05/07 10:38pm

Snap

I picked up on it too, and it's the reason for the two posts I created here late last night. I was just wondering if anybody else was picking up on this change? For me, it's been a long time coming. I lost Prince as a friend to this stuff almost 10 years ago. I'm hopeful that he's finally coming back around. Peace.
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Reply #10 posted 02/05/07 10:39pm

sexxydancer

Interesting,but I don't know...
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Reply #11 posted 02/06/07 12:57am

muirdo

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makes an interesting point.
Larry wouldnt let him though.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
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Reply #12 posted 02/06/07 3:10am

metalorange

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7kisses4U said:

I would say this person is projecting, Prince will remain a JW.


I think you're right. So many fans are so desperate for him to give up being a JW and return to his more hedonistic lifestyle and performance, to the point where they grasp onto straws.

The person uses the lyrics to Best Of You to substantiate his view. I think you can easily turn it around, 'I ain't no fool' can be read as Prince speaking directly to such commentators on his life and those that criticise his choices - he's saying he knows what he's doing by choosing to be JW, that being religious gets the best out of him, is what you believe getting the best out of you?

Though Prince isn't your typical JW (hell, he ain't your typical human being!) and might not follow every bit of their doctrine to the letter, that doesn't mean they are going to throw him out or whatever, he's still a pretty good figurehead for them.
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Reply #13 posted 02/06/07 3:15am

dustysgirl

Very interesting. BTW...I loved this line: "Did you see the bears and colts play football during Prince's Concert?"
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Reply #14 posted 02/06/07 3:16am

Spinlight

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metalorange said:

7kisses4U said:

I would say this person is projecting, Prince will remain a JW.

Though Prince isn't your typical JW (hell, he ain't your typical human being!) and might not follow every bit of their doctrine to the letter, that doesn't mean they are going to throw him out or whatever, he's still a pretty good figurehead for them.


You mean like MJ was during the Thriller hype? Please... Prince's sexual innuendo is no different.
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Reply #15 posted 02/06/07 3:29am

DIAMONDGEEZA

Its interesting that some think he is no longer a JW.At the uk hall of fame last year i noticed he never used the word Jehovah in his speech when thanking everyone but rather he just thanked GOD when speaking on stage and accepting his award from Beyonce.We Know his marriage is over and he has looked and sounded like his old self ever since.So Yes i do believe he is no longer a Jehovahs Witness.
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Reply #16 posted 02/06/07 5:25am

mrdespues

Imago said:

This can't be true. I heard that Jehova's Witnesses can't leave or else they get killed in some ritual or something like that. shrug


lol lol lol !!

hug
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Reply #17 posted 02/06/07 5:41am

lovebird

I always thought that Prince was too intelligent to stay in that organization.It is such a restricted organization and excludes so many people. I just hope he is happy and at peace with himself no matter what he chooses.
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Reply #18 posted 02/06/07 5:52am

Mach

metalorange said:

7kisses4U said:

I would say this person is projecting, Prince will remain a JW.


I think you're right. So many fans are so desperate for him to give up being a JW and return to his more hedonistic lifestyle and performance, to the point where they grasp onto straws.

The person uses the lyrics to Best Of You to substantiate his view. I think you can easily turn it around, 'I ain't no fool' can be read as Prince speaking directly to such commentators on his life and those that criticise his choices - he's saying he knows what he's doing by choosing to be JW, that being religious gets the best out of him, is what you believe getting the best out of you?

Though Prince isn't your typical JW (hell, he ain't your typical human being!) and might not follow every bit of their doctrine to the letter, that doesn't mean they are going to throw him out or whatever, he's still a pretty good figurehead for them.


Very good point ... both he and the JW society know this too and I would think both use the fact to their advantage.
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Reply #19 posted 02/06/07 6:14am

dseann

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

http://allied.blogspot.com/2007/02/prince-says-goodbye-to-jehovahs.html

Any music fan who watched the Super Bowl last night could rightly walk into work this morning and say, "Did you see the bears and colts play football during Prince's Concert?"

It was that good. And, at other levels, it was interesting too.

For any artist familiar with the restrictive, cultish tactics of the jehovah's witnesses, watching the halftime show at this year's Super Bowl represented a lot more than catching a great live concert by Prince. The entire performance was riddled with symbolism that could only leave current and former JWs doing double take after double take, wondering what Prince was trying to 'say'.

I think Prince's merging of All Along the Watchtower with Foo Figher's The Best of You, followed up by Purple Rain, performed while doning his classic symbol, his signature guitar magnified as it rippled against the night sky, full and phallic, larger than life against a ghostly white backdrop, was Prince's way of saying goodbye to the Organization, was Prince's way of saying, "you're not messin with me anymore."

Maybe I'm projectiong. Maybe not.

It's not a simple thing -- the passionate belief and seeking of Truth, the sacrifice of self, the heart vs the mind, all targeted by well-honed thought control vs the single thread of hope for what being human means: Freedom of thought. You kind of have to have been there to grok it.

What I think? That Artist giving that performance at that event, performing those songs that way, wearing that symbol on that stage -- I think he just said goodbye to the Watchtower.

And if he didn't, and they don't disfellowship him for that display, well--it only further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the JWs that makes for madness in those who've ever been shamed at a Kingdom Hall.

(Video Transcription)
Prince's Watchtower Medley

All along the watchtower
princes kept a view
while the women came and wept
their foot servants too
outside in the cold distance
a wild cat did growl
two riders were approaching
and the wind began to howl

I ain't going on to someone new
I needed somewhere to hang my head
Without your noose
You gave me something that I didn't have
But had no use

I was too weak to give in
Too strong to lose

My heart is under arrest again
But I'll break loose
My head is giving me life or death
I Will Choose

I swear I'd never give in
'cause I refuse.

is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?

Is someone taking your faith?
Its real, the pain you feel
you must confess.

Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
[solo]
...the best the best the best of you?

Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?
Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you?

I got another confession
my friend,
I ain't no fool.



Dude,

I give nay a shit if he is or isn't a Jehovah's Witness or not, that's his business.

Rock on Prince.....rock on....
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Reply #20 posted 02/06/07 6:51am

purplecam

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Very interesting to say the least. I hope it's true but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #21 posted 02/06/07 6:52am

SensualMelody

I went to the clip.
Nonsense! The guy is just trying to make bad press for the Watchtower B&Tract Society using Prince.
With that sign behind him....yuk.
You will have to wait and see what Prince does.
The half-time show, to me, said he is still doing the JW thing.
Everything he did was clean and cool.

People ask me sometimes if I'm still a JW because I go to a club, or a concert.
The 3121 club has plenty of witnesses in attendance, not to mention Larry playing there lately.

People on the outside have their own rules for JWs.


Only time will tell.
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #22 posted 02/06/07 6:56am

Graycap23

The curious gazed upon ME
More questions than answers 4 sure
What ever the Quest
I'll get off my chest
And all remains PRIVATE and PURE
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Reply #23 posted 02/06/07 7:01am

novabrkr

The lyrics of Proud Mary prove that he is now an Odalist instead. "Rolling Down The River" refer to the kingdom of Odin, where Baldur searched out for himself by sailing down the rivers of Asgard. He is saying, "see bitches, I'm Norse now".
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Reply #24 posted 02/06/07 7:01am

SensualMelody

metalorange said:

7kisses4U said:

I would say this person is projecting, Prince will remain a JW.


I think you're right. So many fans are so desperate for him to give up being a JW and return to his more hedonistic lifestyle and performance, to the point where they grasp onto straws.

The person uses the lyrics to Best Of You to substantiate his view. I think you can easily turn it around, 'I ain't no fool' can be read as Prince speaking directly to such commentators on his life and those that criticise his choices - he's saying he knows what he's doing by choosing to be JW, that being religious gets the best out of him, is what you believe getting the best out of you?

Though Prince isn't your typical JW (hell, he ain't your typical human being!) and might not follow every bit of their doctrine to the letter, that doesn't mean they are going to throw him out or whatever, he's still a pretty good figurehead for them.

Makes sense, however no matter how rich and famous a person is, he still has to be a Christian to be a JW. He does not have to be perfect, since none of us are, but being rich and famous will not cover Un-Christian conduct. Being honest and sincere will cover many errors. And here I am not saying that Prince's conduct is Un-Christian. The fellow in that clip is saying that. and he is not a witness of course.
I also agree that even if Prince did move a bit away from the organization, I believe the choices he has made to be a "better" person were his own and that he will stand by those choices. After all he's almost 50. And just look how successful he has been as a result of those choices. He would not even have been invited to the Super Bowl had he not been deemed a "safe" choice for Family viewing. The fact that he is a witness figured in much of his success lately.
The old fans who wish for vulgarity are the minority of the people supporting Prince now.
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #25 posted 02/06/07 7:12am

xclimation

It's funny, when I read those lyrics; I get a different perception. My perception is that he is swearing his allegiance to the JWs.
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Reply #26 posted 02/06/07 7:15am

IstenSzek

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well on the recently leaked bootleg recorded november 10th 2006
at the rio, he gives about a 7 minute speech again and mentions
jehova and the fact that he's baptised (he mentions this fact a
little while into his performance of "cream").
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #27 posted 02/06/07 7:16am

wlcm2thdwn

I posted before that I saw some "Old Prince" moves Sunday night so I think there is a chance you may be right. wink
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Reply #28 posted 02/06/07 7:21am

RedKite

Hello,

I remember reading an article a few years back, (cannot remeber the magazine),
Prince said he basically said liked being a JW, it gave him answers. But when
people got all "trekkie" he was out of there. So I can believe Prince is a JW, but he is not going to get all radical about it which sounds pretty healthy.

It was a classy peformance. Rather tasteful and also spectacular enough for a
Super Bowl. It was not trashy or very sexual either. It just makes me wish
he would take that stage on tour.

Chris
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Reply #29 posted 02/06/07 7:22am

PurpleRighteou
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Imago said:

This can't be true. I heard that Jehova's Witnesses can't leave or else they get killed in some ritual or something like that. shrug

falloff
I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09 woot! dancing jig
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