I was chatting with my girlfriend the other day - she feels about 2Pac the way we feel about Prince. I asked her what 2Pac song she would like to see Prince play around with, She answered that if these two artists had ever had the chance to get together they would undoubtedly come up with something we couldn't even imagine - so any Pac fans out there - what song would you like to see the two together on??? Would they use one of Pac's songs or one of Prince's? She picked either Dove's Cry (Prince) or Fair Exchange (2Pac)
Any other votes?

canadianredhead said:

ummmmm 2pac is dead

Are you serious? She's going to be devastated!!!!
Perhaps I should have worded it better - what song do you think Prince would chose to remix.

canadianredhead said:

I dunno, Prince does not cuss anymore, so any song of 2pac's would have to be sanitized

2pac and Prince are my 2 favorite artists...

They both had a ton of respect for eachother...

there are a bunch of songs where prince is featured:



hearts of men and others to name a few...

2PAC was a major Prince fan and in my view, a great Actor and Artist.

In his lifetime 2PAC sampled '7779311' for 'Whatz Ya Phone #'('All Eyez On Me'),
'Darling Nikki' for 'Heartz of Men'('All Eyez on Me'), 'Do Me Baby'(re-played and uncredited) for 'To Live and Die in LA'('Makaveli') and 'Pop Life' for the original, unreleased version of 'Pac's Life'.

I understand there may be other unreleased tracks with Prince samples on them. However, these were in their original forms not as being currently released.

2PAC was one of the few rappers Prince allowed to sample his work.

wow... i never knew ... thanks

It would be great to see him cover Brenda's got a baby or Dear Mamma.
Both very dramatic and clever lyrics, like Sign ó the times.
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NewMr7 said:

a fact which I cannot understand. I cannot even say that Prince allowed it. Maybe he just didn't complain about it as loudly as he did about other artists using his stuff. I personally do not want Prince dealing with any rap song. Especially Tupac's. Tupac has been dead since 96 so all that sampling he did was during Prince's pre-Londell years. My feelings about Tupac's life and career can be summed up with two words "utterly disappointing."
He started out on a very socially/politically aware type vibe and then just went gung-ho for all that bogus "thug life" garbage and just wasted his talent and his life. I could get caught up on When My Homies Call and Dear Mama and Brenda's Got a Baby but really, most of his shit wasn't like those songs at all.
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I would like to have seen Prince do NOTHING. I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with Tupac.

ewald said:

Dear Mama love that song

Imago said:

Agreed!

NewMr7 said:

These are also my 2 favorite artists. And if you notice Tupac adopted Prince's writing style.. using the number 2 and the eye for I and such..

The original of Thugz Get Lonely 2 used If I Was Your Girlfriend I believe.

There was alot of mutual respect between these 2. And if you dig deeper into Pac's persona, you can see the similarity between the 2. Pac's struggle with being the creative intelligent dude, and the mainstream THUG image he felt he had to maintain to be respected in the streets.. IMHO its kinda like Prince's battle between creative expression and record label politics and the responsibility of being a pop icon. Anywho, I credit both of these artists with helping make me the type of person I am today.. It's just a shame that Pac had to die at the age of 25. And has so much negativity surrounding his amazing legacy....

alwayslate said:

I See 2Pac as Rap's Robert Johnson. He sold his soul to the devil and paid a dear price for it. What's important is that he knew what he was doing when he did it and was aware of what the outcome was going to be. The world is a better place because of 2Pac. He knew we would learn from his mistakes, one reason why he made them so loudly. Thug Life is not garbage. It a choice many people in certain enviornments have to make. Trample or get trampled. There isn't much room for inbetween.
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everything in that post is bullshit ramble.
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pezdispenser said:

funny guy U r...that is if Pezdispensers r male. Otherwise...funny gal U r.

BobGeorge909 said:

Actually I agree your earlier post. Pac even has a song called "This aint Livin" where he basically admits it.

This ain't livin..

(2Pac)
Nigga - I hear even the smaller G's be dippin Chevy Impalas
while flossin they gold D's, O.G.'s, is who they follow
We swallow tomorrow, see, what we leave is hollow
We feed violence and greed, let 'em bleed tomorrow
In time, they grip a nine, sippin wine - hit grass
'til I be starin watch the parents sacrifice they child
The love's gone, a thug's home, with no love
Feelin so strong, make young boys into drug lords
Now one for adolescents, now dos for dose
Keep yo' friends by your side, even close your foes
Now three for Johnny Law tryin to make my chips
I never pulled the trigger, didn't touch that bitch
Throw yo' hands in the air, it's a robbery
.. thinkin 'Pac, would you ride with me?
Let's go see what our enemies talkin bout
When G's enter the house nobody's walkin out
This ain't livin, it's similar to prison, we trapped
My homies jealous plus they tell us that the phones is tapped
I watch my back twenty-fo' seven
and never let a busta send a G to ghetto heaven, you know!
This is how it goes when we floss with foes
Before I toss yo' hoe, it'll cost you mo'
I do shows make a lot of dough, murder my foes
But I'd give it all up, if it would help you grow
This ain't livin

(chorus 2X: sung)
Takes a life to make a life (takes a life)
Livin in the world of crime tonight (takes a life)
Can't find a better way to break you
This ain't livin I gotta do what I gotta do

(2Pac)
Peep it - gunfire is produced at alarmin rates
Today's youth, grip the shit, get in the car and break
"It Takes a Nation of Millions" if we intend to stop the killin
Just search your feelings, participate in some (?)
They our seeds and when they bleed, we bleed
That's what becomes of lonely children, they turn to G's
Heavenly father can you rescue, my young nation
rest the Lord will protect you, respect due
Not a threat as I step in blue, and check those
that oppose when I froze them fools, and who are you
to watch me fall farther
I disappeared, reappeared as the .. follow me now
Skippin class, and livin fast, will get yo' ass
stuck in the pen, doin life plus ten
Young brother pump yo' brakes for me, before you choke
won't ya soak up some game from yo' big homies
This ain't livin, we givin you jewels, use 'em as tools
Explode on they industry and fade them fools
You know the rules, gotta be a rider
You can run the red lights but read the street signs, heyy
This for all of y'all that keep on raisin hell
Put a pistol in your hand and let you fade yourself
It ain't right, what you put your momma through, young G
Gotta change your life, take the game from me
This ain't livin

(chorus - 2X)

BobGeorge909 said:

Well, I have to disagree with that. I don't see how the world was made a better place by someone who glorified the 'thug life', one way or another. It just made young people think it was cool to be a thug. Kids don't get the 'mistake' part of it, until they're older and it's too late to understand. He might've been a talented poet, but if he was so smart, he should've known not to play that game. I also hated the Mama song because as a mother, it KILLED me to hear that...if you don't want to hurt your mama, then don't be a stupid ass thug just for $$$.

It also really bothers me how people have glorified (and exploited) him since his death. (I'm sure my parents felt the same about the glorification of Janis, Jimi & Jim too, but at least they didn't advocate hurting others like gangs do.) It's STUPID when there are bookbags designed for 5 yr olds with Tupac's picture on it, our society is so f'd up.

Serena said:

Im very offended by your statement i think what you wrote is stupid. You have no clue what Pac meant to his people.

Duggs said:

What people are you referring to? Not my people. I think the world could be much improved without the Tupacs of the world. It would be one thing if parents my age (Tupac's generation) used his life as an example for their children of how NOT to squander your talents and life- that would be great. But you have people my age putting this idea in kids' minds that Pac was some kind of revolutionary and he was not-- he SHOULD have been and COULD have been but he sold the hell out for the dough. And we have people like Jada Pinkett spending money to have wings of schools and whatnot named after this guy.
I am sorry but I am sooo not buying that Tupac-soul-rebel stuff. I've seen the damage he's done (not all himself,however) to kids' heads with that bullshit. Tupac: the greatest woulda-shoulda-coulda that ever lived. Please.

alwayslate said:

Watch the Oscar nominated Movie Tupac: Resurrection DVD. Than you will understand what the rest of us are talking about.

BobGeorge909 said:

Thug Life was never Tupac's only option. He chose that life after he'd already become famous and rich. He was no thug prior to getting involved with the wrong mofos after the fact. Robert Johnson only damaged Robert Johnson. I don't think the two are anything alike except for the fact that they both died young. Prince might have fallen for that thug-poet facade that many Pac fans went for and Prince might've been trying to obtain a little street cred for himself at the time which are the only reasons why I could ever imagine him giving the OK to Pac using his music.

Do any of you people even know what Thug Life stands for? You're slamming it as if it was a way of glorifying street violence and drug use when anyone that bothered to actually listen to what the man had to say would know that it wasn't the case. Tupac did not glorify thug life - he DIAGNOSED it! It is a condition that affects the youth in certain environments - he was trying to call attention to something that goes on in white neighbourhoods as well as black - you show a child nothing but hate and that what he'll know - in other words - you reap what you sow. Thug life is an anagram - each letter stands for something - The Hate U Give Little Infants - F**k Everybody - meaning if you never show a child any other way to be - he'll live up to your expectations.
Tupac spoke about a lot of issues - violence, poverty, discrimination against blacks and women and especially about what's happening with our youth. He was a pioneer in his industry - there is now a course offered at Berkley - History 98 - the life and writing of Tupac Shakkur - taught by one of Tupacs first writing teachers - who definately felt the man had a message desearving to be heard.

Alright, alright...

1. 2pac and Prince should have never worked together and I'm glad it didn't. You can find parallels to Prince, 2pac, Madonna, Beyonce, Michael Jackson - whoever you want - there's nothing mystical about it, you'll find parallels with anyone to support your argument that they should have collaborated. All of the parallels are rather general.

2. It annoys me how narrow-minded some orgers are on here. Everything eventually becomes a black/white issue here no matter what. Following that, let me say, that as a black man, it's fine if you think that Prince's music carries a positive influence, it's fine if you think 2pac's music has a positive influence, it's fine if you think (name the artist)'s music has a positive influence.

However, I feel that there are better positive black role models that we could be debating about. Everyone here is giving 2pac way too much recognition.

Anyone that thinks a Prince/2pac collaboration would be good, I'm curious to know if you realize how many potentially good Prince songs were marred by (albeit no-name) rappers like Tony M., Scrap D., or even T.C. Ellis?

I think Sexual Suicide, Release It, Nasty Girl would have worked with his flow, and many others I'm sure.

I think many songs could still be done by them. Tupac isn't done yet!

Their names don't even need to be spoken in the same sentence, let alone them working together. Tupac wasn't just shit hop, but he was shit hop trash. He wanted to live like a thug and he died like one, like trash shot down in the street by other trash. I didn't feel sorry for him when it happened and I still don't feel sorry for him. He just got the result of a lifestyle that he wanted to live and promote.

Excellent post! Very true!

vainandy said:

he was funky though

Funky for who, the Geritol Generation? You could take a Lawrence Welk record and a Tupac record and mix them together and you would still have to slow the tempo down on the Lawrence Welk record to match the tempo of the Tupac record. Shitney Houston was more funky. The only thing funky on Tupac was his ass because he probably didn't keep it clean.
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I would much rather see Prince work with Michael Jackson before this...