HD.net will be showing Purple Rain in 1080 High Defination Tuesday night at 11:00 PM PST. Every movie they show looks flawledss. This will be the best version aside from a theater for the film. Now can we get the HD version on HD DVD and Blu-Ray DVD? The HD master exists now.

so prince's razor bumps will look extra scary now...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

UCantHavaDaMango said:

man...i gotta make a screencap of them bumps when i get home tonight. the sides of the brotha's face looked scurry as all get-out in a couple parts, i'ma show ya'll later on.

Setting my DVR! Thanks for the heads up! If I'm not mistaken, the HD master is not new. They created the previous SE DVD from a HD master.

did they say anything about issues with the lost negaitves? you know that a significant portion of the movie was lost and they had to use work prints to make the final cut of the film. it is noticeable in normal def... will it be even more so in HD?

RipHer2Shreds said:

I believe you are not mistaken. The HD probably will be using the SE DVD master.

Does HD TV even carry a 1080P signal? 1080P is what blueray and HD DVD's are. Personally, I cannot tell a HUGE difference between 1080i and 1080p---and now you know that I am a geek.

skywalker said:

HDTV is 1080i or 720p.

RipHer2Shreds said:

HDTV is also 1080p which is the same resolution as 1080i but is progressive scan instead of interlaced. The progress scanning is superior and results in a smoother better picture- especially for motion. In order to have 1080p you need a receiver that outputs 1080p, the broadcase must be in 1080p and your tv must have a native resolution of 1080p and accept a 1080p input...

fmarasco said:

I don't know if it's different overseas, but at least in the United States, there are no 1080p broadcasts.

fmarasco said:

My head hurts.

I wish I could watch.

Someone get a stream-ripper ready!

RipHer2Shreds said:

Bottom line of this geek talk:

The HD network broadcast will not be comparable to HDDVD or Blue Ray disc. A 1080i broadcast won't look any different than the Purple Rain special edition DVD.

Basically you are getting Purple Rain on TV in DVD quality instead of regular broadcast quality.

Correct me if I am wrong fellow nerds....

skywalker said:

No, it'll be better - it'll be 720p60; that's the HD resolution of US HD broadcasts at the moment.

skywalker said:

As a fellow nerd, I would have to say, "Yes, you're right."

Oh, and no, there is no 1080p currently in circulation via cable. It doesn't exist.....yet. Not that it would matter all that much on this movie. Some scenes look like crap through no fault of the media type, all you would be doing is shining up crap quality. And you know what you have then....shiny shit!

So what are they using as a source? Won't a 1080i TV display the resolution you listed? You don't need a 1080P TV to see that resolution, so it's not comparable to HD/BluRay DVD. Is it?
[Edited 2/6/07 13:13pm]

1nonly said:

Right. They didn't film Purple Rain in HD--- I think you'd be hard pressed to get it looking much better than the SE DVD without remastering the original film.

skywalker said:

It'll stretch to fit your 1080i TV (just like a computer resolution), resulting in great quality, but not 1080 quality. It works with all HDTVs though.

Quality comparable to HDDVD/BluRay, but not quite - better than DVD, by quite a way.

skywalker said:

Yes they did - they recorded it to standard Hollywood cellulite film, which is analogue; not digital, and therefore has no resolution - it is the same as the human eye; so it could go up to 1,000,000p in theory; it would just look awful.

PreacherMan said:

I dunno. I don't think I know enough technical info to hang in this argument, but as someone said before--there are no broadcast in the USA that is 1080P. It's not True Hi-Def if it's not that. As I said before I feel that, with Purple Rain, the quality won't be noticibly better than the SE DVD due to what they broadcast it in.
[Edited 2/6/07 13:25pm]

there are listed broadcasts in 1080p in the US, and many other hidef broadcasts are 1080i (that's still true hidef). And don't get it backwards! the DVD was made from a downconversion of a high def digital transfer, not the other way around.

720 is being labeled as hidef, but it is NOT really hidef! It's a marketing trick. It's inbetween regular and true hidef. True hidef can fill a movie screen.

Purple Rain will be unbeleivably better in hidef even at 1080i.

Who here has a 1080 tv? Anyone?

PS: Film resolution is still better than hidef. Especially at a nice fine grain slow speed (needs more lighting) film.

ufoclub said:

No- 720p is widely accepted as high definition. It is not a marketing trick.It is substantially better than DVD. There was a lot of confusion with regard to what is hd early on and some manufacturers were marketing enhanced tv sets (480p- like dvd) as hd. The industry moved to a standard definition of 720p, 1080i, and 1080p in widescreen as high def. There's also a slight variance with 768 resolution on some lcd's. There are some marketing tricks were manufactures claim a tv is 1080p when it's native resolution is 1080p but does not accept a 1080p input.
Lately, manufactures have gone to labeling 1080p tv's as full hd- i guess there's some logic to that. But keep in mind that the human eye can only make out resolution at certain distances and screen sizes. Thus, a 40 inch tv and normal viewing distance of about 8 feet will not look any different in 1080p or 720p. Now a front projector on a 10ft screen shows a huge differnce.
If the broadcast is 1080i and the tv is capable of 1080i your set wil display at 1080i- higher resolution than 720p but many people perfer the clean progressive signal to the "muddier" interlaced at a higher resolution. That's a matter of personal opinion.
Finally, as someone pointed out if it's a bad transfer high def ain't gonna help it. It will still look like crap.
[Edited 2/6/07 14:05pm]

ufoclub said:

Please, tell me where you're getting this from, because I didn't think there were any television broadcasts in 1080p.


My television can recieve 1080i broadcasts. Hi Def film is 1080p (it's what Lucas shoots his films in).

fmarasco said:

Have you seen 1080i (for example a show like Deadwood)?

I have ntsc, 720p, and 1080p montors around me. 1080i HBO on the 1080 dlp tv at my friend's house is very clean and more impressive than 720, it looks like a film print. And 720 maybe be labeled hidef, but no funded feature filmed in hidef is going to be 720. Even indie movies I've had a hand in are 1080i at least. 720 is a means to make a comfortable/affordable step down that was agreed upon. it will hopefully go extinct like ntsc.

720 is giving hidef a bad name because a lot of people don't feel the dramatic difference. Of course they don't realize they might have seen a star wars movie in the theatre projected with a 1080p projector.

Shit, the term "hidef" has little meaning now that marketers even use it to describe radio stations.

PS I recently saw a pristine film print of Purple Rain at a Museum of Art screening, and it is quite different than watching any DVD.You can see the wisps of smoke, the grit and glisten. It has a mood that is not there on DVD.

ufoclub said:

720p exists because of the bandwidth costs of broadcasting in 1080p currently facing media companies.

The US broadcasts in 720p, and some (very few) shows in 1080i. Currently, 1080p is unattainable. Lost, for instance, is broadcast in 720p. If you watch Lost on a 1080i television, it is upscaled - just like a computer monitor, so it'll look better (possibly), but is still only 720p.

720p is also better for videogamers as it runs at a constant of 60fps with no motion blur. Currently 1080p experiences blurring above 40fps - want proof? As a video encoder myself, I read on the VC1 forums that Nine Inch Nails' upcoming HDDVD/Blu-ray concert film had really huge problems with running at 1080p40 because of all the strobing involved in a concert. So if you've got a 360, stick with 720p - same with a PS3; games actually run faster.

Think computer monitors and the whole thing makes sense, because that's what these TVs are.

hmmmm....



CBS

CBS is currently broadcasting all primetime dramas and entertainment shows plus soap "The Young and the Restless" and several sports specials in HDTV. CBS broadcasts all of their HDTV content in the 1080i format and has a schedule of what shows are in HDTV format here: http://www.cbs.com/info/hdtv/

NBC

NBC is currently broadcasting many shows in HDTV. NBC broadcasts all of their HDTV content in the 1080i format. They do not have an HDTV schedule on their website but do have basic info on HDTV info at http://www.nbc.com/nbc/fo...HDTV.shtml

ABC

ABC is currently broadcasting most of their primetime shows as well as many sporting events in HDTV. ABC broadcasts all of their HDTV content in the 720p format. They do not have an HDTV schedule on their website.

WB

WB is broadcasting a few shows in 1080i HDTV. They do not have an HDTV schedule on their website.

UPN

UPN does not have any shows in HDTV.

FOX

FOX is currently broadcasting digitally in 480p. Most of the content is simply regular NTSC (480i) content sent out as 480p, but some content, such as NASCAR, is shot and broadcast in 480p widescreen (which is a good improvement over the standard NTSC broadcast, but still not as good as HDTV). FOX is not currently broadcasting any HDTV content, but they recently announced that at least 50% of their Fall 2004 primetime lineup will be in 720p HDTV.

PBS

PBS has several shows in HDTV. All of their HDTV content is in 1080i. Their HDTV schedule page is here: http://www.pbs.org/digita...vsched.htm

A few cable networks are also going HDTV:

Discovery Channel

Discovery Channel has an HD channel available. All of their HDTV content is in 1080i. Their HDTV schedule page is here:
http://dhd.discovery.com/...oming.html

ESPN

ESPN has an HD channel available. All of their HDTV content is 720p. Their HDTV info page is here: http://espn.go.com/espnhd/index.html

HBO

HBO has an HD channel available. All of their HDTV content is 1080i. Their HDTV schedule page is here:
http://www.hbo.com/apps/s...ODAY=TODAY

Showtime
Showtime has an HD channel available. All of their HDTV content is 1080i. Their HDTV schedule page is here: http://sho.com/schedules/

HDNET

HDNet is an all high definition network. It features a variety of HDTV programming, including live sports, sitcoms, documentaries, concerts, and news features. All content is broadcast in 1080i. Their HDTV info page is here: http://www.hd.net/

So, nobody broadcasts in 1080p, which is what I thought in the first place. Nonetheless, I'm going to be watching tonight.