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Reply #60 posted 02/10/07 12:21pm

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Without offending anyone I would like to think this is true - we all know that Prince goes from one phase to another in life - he never seems to stay in one way for too long - constantly on the look out for new things/challenges - so maybe it is true - he could be moving on here - he could be bored or feel its too much..

I love the guy no matter what he decides to do - but theres this little voice inside of me saying "Damn! - I miss that deep down and dirty ole Prince cussing and grinding his ass across the stage...." love

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Reply #61 posted 02/10/07 12:22pm

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2elijah said:

SensualMelody said:
The old fans who wish for vulgarity are the minority of the people supporting Prince now


That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on.

Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs to give them satisfaction. lol
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Well said.
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Reply #62 posted 02/10/07 12:25pm

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youngyosh said:

2elijah said:

SensualMelody said:


That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on.

Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs lol
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IMO All youve written above is bollox.

As has been said many times, the majority, couldnt give a monkeys what religion he chooses to follow.

We just want him to sing "Head" and "Erotic City" live, because they are wonderful songs.

For a slightly surreal old skool example -

If for some bizarre reason the Elephant suddenly became an almighty sacred animal to him, and he steadfast refused to touch a piano again as the keys were still made of ivory. This would be his choice - But would that be fine by everyone?

Religion is only the vehicle, its fine,its his choice.
But its changing his output.
[Edited 2/6/07 14:01pm]


You just want him to sing Head and Erotic City?
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Reply #63 posted 02/10/07 12:28pm

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SensualMelody said:

wendyrachel said:

Without offending anyone I would like to think this is true - we all know that Prince goes from one phase to another in life - he never seems to stay in one way for too long - constantly on the look out for new things/challenges - so maybe it is true - he could be moving on here - he could be bored or feel its too much..

I love the guy no matter what he decides to do - but theres this little voice inside of me saying "Damn! - I miss that deep down and dirty ole Prince cussing and grinding his ass across the stage...." love

hmmm


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Reply #64 posted 02/10/07 2:35pm

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

youngyosh said:




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IMO All youve written above is bollox.

[b ]As has been said many times, the majority, couldnt give a monkeys what religion he chooses to follow.

We just want him to sing "Head" and "Erotic City" live, because they are wonderful songs.

[snipped]

Religion is only the vehicle, its fine,its his choice.
But its changing his output.[/b]



I disagree. Based on the number of people who used to post here before he announced he was a Witness (and now don't). If for some reason he did an interview and said he has decided not to be a Witness anymore the number of people coming out the woodwork doing the cabbage patch across the prince.org message boards would completely shut it down.

As an aside --- the 3 minute album version is cool. The 20 minute monotonous live version he had taken to doing was a bore.



i think that has more to do with the org bugs then it does prince's religious beliefs. lol
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Reply #65 posted 02/10/07 2:42pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

anon said:

It's sad that one would even hope for another to renounce their faith just to satisfy the selfish hedonistic advantage they receive from this.
So you'll be at his concerts, but will you be there on his death bed?...and beyond?


Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.)

No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God.

Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me (woot!). I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.

This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy. smile



i wouldnt say your views are selfish...just very narrow minded...see, for me...being the big ole atheist queer that i am i can understand where your coming from. but i've also seen the beauty that religion (and the jw faith in particular) has done for many people in my life...so who the hell am i to wish my own views on them or anyone for that matter?

and if you think prince is unhappy...why does it have to be his religious choice? could it be another lose? could it be this website? you sure your own biases against religion (or the jw faith in particular) could be clouding your judgment
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Reply #66 posted 02/11/07 12:53pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:



Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.)

No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God.

Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me (woot!). I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.

This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy. smile



i wouldnt say your views are selfish...just very narrow minded...see, for me...being the big ole atheist queer that i am i can understand where your coming from. but i've also seen the beauty that religion (and the jw faith in particular) has done for many people in my life...so who the hell am i to wish my own views on them or anyone for that matter?

and if you think prince is unhappy...why does it have to be his religious choice? could it be another lose? could it be this website? you sure your own biases against religion (or the jw faith in particular) could be clouding your judgment


You could be totally right. As I've said, it's a guess. Why do I think it's his religion? Well, timing. But it's still a guess. I don't think it's narrow-minded, actually, and I don't think you know me well enough to make that judgement.

And didn't I say that I don't wish for him to be an athiest like me? I never have. I don't want to live in a world without Lovesexy. At that time, I think he was being true to himself and experiencing a lot of spiritual joy.

His recent music is so damned joyless it breaks my heart. And it seems very tied to the JW bit.

Coincidence? Sure, maybe.
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Reply #67 posted 02/11/07 3:21pm

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I think that it is very sad that someone would hope for a man to lose his faith for their own trivial enjoyment. rolleyes
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Reply #68 posted 02/11/07 3:45pm

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bellanoche said:

I think that it is very sad that someone would hope for a man to lose his faith for their own trivial enjoyment. rolleyes


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I dont think its sad that people miss the old style Prince - its human nature not to feel unsettled when you have to accept all the changes he's gone through - it doesnt mean his fans love him any less or anything - and I dont find Princes music a trivial enjoyment in any way whatsoever - but I enjoy every second of being a fan - and being taken along on this journey with him

whatever he decides to do Im with him 100% but as Ive said before - I became a fan over 20 years ago so yes in fact i DO miss the rawer more dirty Prince - but thats me - and no I dont want him to lose his faith at all - in fact his new style suits him perfectly now - and I would change a thing...all I need to do is put on albums such as Controversy or the Come album and Im back there in a second...
woot!
[Edited 2/11/07 15:48pm]
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Reply #69 posted 02/11/07 4:05pm

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SensualMelody said:

2elijah said:

SensualMelody said:


That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on.

Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs to give them satisfaction. lol
[Edited 2/6/07 16:59pm]

Well said.



Thanks! Imagine someone thinking he would give up his faith just to once again get "down and dirty with the lyrics", as though that will make him a more acceptable artist or better human being. That is like going backwards in life instead of forward. He has moved on and apparently it seems his faith, no matter who opposes it, has made him a much stronger human being.
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Reply #70 posted 02/11/07 4:49pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

sosgemini said:




i wouldnt say your views are selfish...just very narrow minded...see, for me...being the big ole atheist queer that i am i can understand where your coming from. but i've also seen the beauty that religion (and the jw faith in particular) has done for many people in my life...so who the hell am i to wish my own views on them or anyone for that matter?

and if you think prince is unhappy...why does it have to be his religious choice? could it be another lose? could it be this website? you sure your own biases against religion (or the jw faith in particular) could be clouding your judgment


You could be totally right. As I've said, it's a guess. Why do I think it's his religion? Well, timing. But it's still a guess. I don't think it's narrow-minded, actually, and I don't think you know me well enough to make that judgement.

And didn't I say that I don't wish for him to be an athiest like me? I never have. I don't want to live in a world without Lovesexy. At that time, I think he was being true to himself and experiencing a lot of spiritual joy.

His recent music is so damned joyless it breaks my heart. And it seems very tied to the JW bit.

Coincidence? Sure, maybe.



well, help me better understand your perspective then...and if we don't know each other well enough how for me to judge you then how in the world do you know prince enough to judge him?
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Reply #71 posted 02/11/07 7:48pm

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sosgemini said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:



You could be totally right. As I've said, it's a guess. Why do I think it's his religion? Well, timing. But it's still a guess. I don't think it's narrow-minded, actually, and I don't think you know me well enough to make that judgement.

And didn't I say that I don't wish for him to be an athiest like me? I never have. I don't want to live in a world without Lovesexy. At that time, I think he was being true to himself and experiencing a lot of spiritual joy.

His recent music is so damned joyless it breaks my heart. And it seems very tied to the JW bit.

Coincidence? Sure, maybe.



well, help me better understand your perspective then...and if we don't know each other well enough how for me to judge you then how in the world do you know prince enough to judge him?



I've spent more time with him than I have with you. lol

I've realized that arguing with you is one of my least-favorite activities, not just in this lifetime, but in all possible lifetimes in every possible universe given infinite time, so let's just go back to me being narrow-minded and move on. wink
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Reply #72 posted 02/11/07 7:53pm

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bellanoche said:

I think that it is very sad that someone would hope for a man to lose his faith for their own trivial enjoyment. rolleyes


I think that it is very sad when people make nasty assumptions about other people without making any effort to understand. rolleyes
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Reply #73 posted 02/11/07 7:59pm

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sosgemini said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:



You could be totally right. As I've said, it's a guess. Why do I think it's his religion? Well, timing. But it's still a guess. I don't think it's narrow-minded, actually, and I don't think you know me well enough to make that judgement.

And didn't I say that I don't wish for him to be an athiest like me? I never have. I don't want to live in a world without Lovesexy. At that time, I think he was being true to himself and experiencing a lot of spiritual joy.

His recent music is so damned joyless it breaks my heart. And it seems very tied to the JW bit.

Coincidence? Sure, maybe.



well, help me better understand your perspective then...and if we don't know each other well enough how for me to judge you then how in the world do you know prince enough to judge him?


To be fair, that's a reasonable request.

I'm gonna repost what I said before, and maybe somebody will actually bother to read it this time:


Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.)

No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God.

Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me. I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.


This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy.
. . .

Yeah, see, for me, it's all about (ok, very much mostly about) his personal well-being, which I believe would be better served by abandoning the JW thing.

And maybe that's misguided of me! It's certainly not up to me. But it is how I feel.



I don't have a lot more to add.
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Reply #74 posted 02/12/07 12:04pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

sosgemini said:




well, help me better understand your perspective then...and if we don't know each other well enough how for me to judge you then how in the world do you know prince enough to judge him?


To be fair, that's a reasonable request.

I'm gonna repost what I said before, and maybe somebody will actually bother to read it this time:

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I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.

I would like him to be happy.



Well, I think U have your hopes and likes granted already. smile
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Reply #75 posted 02/12/07 12:15pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

sosgemini said:




well, help me better understand your perspective then...and if we don't know each other well enough how for me to judge you then how in the world do you know prince enough to judge him?


To be fair, that's a reasonable request.

I'm gonna repost what I said before, and maybe somebody will actually bother to read it this time:


Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.)

No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God.

Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me. I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.


This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy.
. . .

Yeah, see, for me, it's all about (ok, very much mostly about) his personal well-being, which I believe would be better served by abandoning the JW thing.

And maybe that's misguided of me! It's certainly not up to me. But it is how I feel.



I don't have a lot more to add.
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i did read that...the first time...and thats why i followed up your comments with my own personal perspective...and see, thats why i said your view was narrow minded....(btw: i didnt mean that in a negative since...i really didnt and i apologize if i offended) but i have seen some really positive and beautiful things from the jw faith...and i say that as somebody who is an atheist. and if you had seen the beauty (and not just the negative) maybe you would have a different take on it...

and yeah, i think prince's music is kinda crappy right now too...but i don't think it has anything to do with his religion....i think it has everything to do with him only surrounding himself by yes business persons and yes musicians...and him resting on his laurels.

and hey, i don't want to go back and forth and back and forth like the good ole days either...i hate that stuff now...hopefully you will find me more mellow...
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Reply #76 posted 02/12/07 12:21pm

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Definitely an interesting theory -- but it's just that: a theory. It's a blog, not the associated press.
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Reply #77 posted 02/12/07 12:44pm

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I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I really enjoy Prince's music. But I don't hope that he will go back to singing the "dirty" songs. I prefer the cleaner lyrics, just as long as the music's still funky, and I know there are plenty of people on here who agree. Besides, the "newer" Prince still has a healthy sense of love and sexuality in his music. The reason I like Prince is because he's a great musician who makes great MUSIC. The dirty lyrics just helped sell records for non-musical reasons at a time when those lyrics were still considered "controversial". That same great music with positive lyrics is even better. And Prince has grown as a person since then. For example, what he did with "I Wanna Be Your Lover", changing "it's mainly a physical thing" to "mainly a spiritual thing" was cool!
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Reply #78 posted 02/12/07 12:54pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

bellanoche said:

I think that it is very sad that someone would hope for a man to lose his faith for their own trivial enjoyment. rolleyes


I think that it is very sad when people make nasty assumptions about other people without making any effort to understand. rolleyes


You mean like the people who refuse to understand that Prince is in a different place now? Yeah, I agree with you! (Yes I am being sarcastic.) I haven't made a nasty assumption about anyone. I do understand that it is ridiculous for people to say things like "I hope Prince is no longer a JW."
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Reply #79 posted 02/12/07 2:59pm

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I doubt it. I think the Best of you was more of an F You to the Foo Fighters and I think the mix with the Hendrix classic was more aimed at Mani than at his faith.
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Reply #80 posted 02/12/07 5:05pm

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SensualMelody said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:



To be fair, that's a reasonable request.

I'm gonna repost what I said before, and maybe somebody will actually bother to read it this time:

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I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.

I would like him to be happy.



Well, I think U have your hopes and likes granted already. smile


I hope that's true.
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