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PrintableIt's sad that one would even hope for another to renounce their faith just to satisfy the selfish hedonistic advantage they receive from this.
So you'll be at his concerts, but will you be there on his death bed?...and beyond? Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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novabrkr said: The lyrics of Proud Mary prove that he is now an Odalist instead. "Rolling Down The River" refer to the kingdom of Odin, where Baldur searched out for himself by sailing down the rivers of Asgard. He is saying, "see bitches, I'm Norse now".
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Kind of negated by him doing Get On The Boat at the press conference sadly. Glug, glug like a mug | |
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At the Hard Rock show on Wednesday, when he sang Purple Rain, he sand, you better open up your Bible, New World Translation, and let God guide you to the Purple Rain . . . . .
So I doubt anything changed between Wednesday and Sunday! |
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I'm not sure why people are so eager to see him turn his back on his religion, just so that he can make music that they enjoy more? 
Some may have an issue with the JW religion itself, and thus would hope that Prince leaves it behind.... but I also sense that many people are just hoping he'll start playing "Erotic City" again, and could give a flying fuck about the man's personal well-being. | |
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SensualMelody said:
The old fans who wish for vulgarity are the minority of the people supporting Prince now
That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on. Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs to give them satisfaction.  [Edited 2/6/07 16:59pm] | |
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anon said: It's sad that one would even hope for another to renounce their faith just to satisfy the selfish hedonistic advantage they receive from this.
So you'll be at his concerts, but will you be there on his death bed?...and beyond? Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.) No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God. Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me (  ). I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.
This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy.  oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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NorthernLad said: I'm not sure why people are so eager to see him turn his back on his religion, just so that he can make music that they enjoy more?
Some may have an issue with the JW religion itself, and thus would hope that Prince leaves it behind.... but I also sense that many people are just hoping he'll start playing "Erotic City" again, and could give a flying fuck about the man's personal well-being. Yeah, see, for me, it's all about (ok, very much mostly about) his personal well-being, which I believe would be better served by abandoning the JW thing. And maybe that's misguided of me! It's certainly not up to me. But it is how I feel.[Edited 2/6/07 12:18pm] oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: anon said: It's sad that one would even hope for another to renounce their faith just to satisfy the selfish hedonistic advantage they receive from this.
So you'll be at his concerts, but will you be there on his death bed?...and beyond? Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.) No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God. Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me ( ). I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.
This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy. Who says Prince isn't happy? He certainly appears to be happy to me. While I agree that the JW religion would not be right for me, that doesn't mean it isn't right for Prince. And if it brings Prince closer to God and makes him happy, then I'm happy for him. There is nothing in the world like being in a religion in which one is not happy with it. Been there done that. As far as Prince's music goes, I think it is excellent in and of itself. It certainly isn't Purple Rain, Darling Nikki, etc., but it is what he is feeling at this moment, experiencing right now, and again, if it is what makes Prince happy, then I will listen. I may not enjoy every song he puts out, but then again, I didn't enjoy every song he put out 20 years ago. Art is perception based. What one perceives as good, another may not. There is nothing wrong with that because that is the way Art should be. We each interpret it in ways that make sense to ourself given our understanding of the world, our experiences, our inner feelings. That is what makes art so great. A single piece of art can speak to 10 different people in 10 different ways. They each take something from it and define what that something is. | |
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Why are people so concerned about P's religion. He may stop being a JW but, he is still going to be a Chritian. I can't see he totaly leading a hedonistic lifestyle at 50.
----- dseann said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: http://allied.blogspot.com/2007/02/prince-says-goodbye-to-jehovahs.html
Any music fan who watched the Super Bowl last night could rightly walk into work this morning and say, "Did you see the bears and colts play football during Prince's Concert?" It was that good. And, at other levels, it was interesting too. For any artist familiar with the restrictive, cultish tactics of the jehovah's witnesses, watching the halftime show at this year's Super Bowl represented a lot more than catching a great live concert by Prince. The entire performance was riddled with symbolism that could only leave current and former JWs doing double take after double take, wondering what Prince was trying to 'say'. I think Prince's merging of All Along the Watchtower with Foo Figher's The Best of You, followed up by Purple Rain, performed while doning his classic symbol, his signature guitar magnified as it rippled against the night sky, full and phallic, larger than life against a ghostly white backdrop, was Prince's way of saying goodbye to the Organization, was Prince's way of saying, "you're not messin with me anymore." Maybe I'm projectiong. Maybe not. It's not a simple thing -- the passionate belief and seeking of Truth, the sacrifice of self, the heart vs the mind, all targeted by well-honed thought control vs the single thread of hope for what being human means: Freedom of thought. You kind of have to have been there to grok it. What I think? That Artist giving that performance at that event, performing those songs that way, wearing that symbol on that stage -- I think he just said goodbye to the Watchtower. And if he didn't, and they don't disfellowship him for that display, well--it only further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the JWs that makes for madness in those who've ever been shamed at a Kingdom Hall. (Video Transcription) Prince's Watchtower Medley All along the watchtower princes kept a view while the women came and wept their foot servants too outside in the cold distance a wild cat did growl two riders were approaching and the wind began to howl I ain't going on to someone new I needed somewhere to hang my head Without your noose You gave me something that I didn't have But had no use I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose My heart is under arrest again But I'll break loose My head is giving me life or death I Will Choose I swear I'd never give in 'cause I refuse. is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? Is someone taking your faith? Its real, the pain you feel you must confess. Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? [solo] ...the best the best the best of you? Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? I got another confession my friend, I ain't no fool. Dude, I give nay a shit if he is or isn't a Jehovah's Witness or not, that's his business. Rock on Prince.....rock on.... | |
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dseann said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: http://allied.blogspot.com/2007/02/prince-says-goodbye-to-jehovahs.html
Any music fan who watched the Super Bowl last night could rightly walk into work this morning and say, "Did you see the bears and colts play football during Prince's Concert?" It was that good. And, at other levels, it was interesting too. For any artist familiar with the restrictive, cultish tactics of the jehovah's witnesses, watching the halftime show at this year's Super Bowl represented a lot more than catching a great live concert by Prince. The entire performance was riddled with symbolism that could only leave current and former JWs doing double take after double take, wondering what Prince was trying to 'say'. I think Prince's merging of All Along the Watchtower with Foo Figher's The Best of You, followed up by Purple Rain, performed while doning his classic symbol, his signature guitar magnified as it rippled against the night sky, full and phallic, larger than life against a ghostly white backdrop, was Prince's way of saying goodbye to the Organization, was Prince's way of saying, "you're not messin with me anymore." Maybe I'm projectiong. Maybe not. It's not a simple thing -- the passionate belief and seeking of Truth, the sacrifice of self, the heart vs the mind, all targeted by well-honed thought control vs the single thread of hope for what being human means: Freedom of thought. You kind of have to have been there to grok it. What I think? That Artist giving that performance at that event, performing those songs that way, wearing that symbol on that stage -- I think he just said goodbye to the Watchtower. And if he didn't, and they don't disfellowship him for that display, well--it only further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the JWs that makes for madness in those who've ever been shamed at a Kingdom Hall. (Video Transcription) Prince's Watchtower Medley All along the watchtower princes kept a view while the women came and wept their foot servants too outside in the cold distance a wild cat did growl two riders were approaching and the wind began to howl I ain't going on to someone new I needed somewhere to hang my head Without your noose You gave me something that I didn't have But had no use I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose My heart is under arrest again But I'll break loose My head is giving me life or death I Will Choose I swear I'd never give in 'cause I refuse. is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? Is someone taking your faith? Its real, the pain you feel you must confess. Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? [solo] ...the best the best the best of you? Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? Is someone getting the best (the best the best the best) of you? I got another confession my friend, I ain't no fool. Dude, I give nay a shit if he is or isn't a Jehovah's Witness or not, that's his business. Rock on Prince.....rock on.... | |
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ficktyt said: At the Hard Rock show on Wednesday, when he sang Purple Rain, he sand, you better open up your Bible, New World Translation, and let God guide you to the Purple Rain . . . . .
So I doubt anything changed between Wednesday and Sunday! He did say that. Later Cause tomorrow is taking too long
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LittleRedCorvette said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Oh, see, no, it's not a selfish hedonistic advantage. I don't care if he starts cussing and grinding again. I got plenty of that on video. (Though I do wish he wouldn't change his old song lyrics.) No, believe it or not, I wish he would abandon the JW thing because I think it is pretty obviously a load of crap, and I think he's too smart to honestly believe it. I suspect it served a purpose in his life, but now, I'm hoping he'll return to being true to himself and his own vision of God. Note that I'm not really hoping he'll become a hedonistic athiest like me ( ). I'm just hoping that he'll be true to himself.
This is PARTLY selfish. I think his music will be better again. But it's also because I care about him (he has had huge positive impacts on my life) and would like him to be happy. Who says Prince isn't happy? He certainly appears to be happy to me. While I agree that the JW religion would not be right for me, that doesn't mean it isn't right for Prince. And if it brings Prince closer to God and makes him happy, then I'm happy for him. There is nothing in the world like being in a religion in which one is not happy with it. Been there done that. As far as Prince's music goes, I think it is excellent in and of itself. It certainly isn't Purple Rain, Darling Nikki, etc., but it is what he is feeling at this moment, experiencing right now, and again, if it is what makes Prince happy, then I will listen. I may not enjoy every song he puts out, but then again, I didn't enjoy every song he put out 20 years ago. Art is perception based. What one perceives as good, another may not. There is nothing wrong with that because that is the way Art should be. We each interpret it in ways that make sense to ourself given our understanding of the world, our experiences, our inner feelings. That is what makes art so great. A single piece of art can speak to 10 different people in 10 different ways. They each take something from it and define what that something is. And maybe he has been very, very happy. I don't really think so. My personal theory is that he went through a rough time in his life, and when he fell, JWs were there to catch him. That could inspire a certain devotion. But I've always suspected that he would close this chapter eventually, 'cause it's not consistent with who he is. This is based on MY read on him, my perception. From his music, from interviews, and from sitting a couple of feet away from him and holding his hand as he talked about God for maybe an hour one time. That's ALL. I know that. Don't have much more to say about it. Except that usually my read on a person is pretty accurate.  oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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I'd like to see Prince drop the JWs too but I don't think he was doing that at all. As for any part of the performance breaking JW rules, Prince has always seemed to follow rules that he wants to and act like other rules don't exist that he doesn't want to follow. Why should the JW thing be any different? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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2elijah said: SensualMelody said:
The old fans who wish for vulgarity are the minority of the people supporting Prince now
That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on. Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs
[Edited 2/6/07 12:03pm] ----- IMO All youve written above is bollox. As has been said many times, the majority, couldnt give a monkeys what religion he chooses to follow. We just want him to sing "Head" and "Erotic City" live, because they are wonderful songs. For a slightly surreal old skool example - If for some bizarre reason the Elephant suddenly became an almighty sacred animal to him, and he steadfast refused to touch a piano again as the keys were still made of ivory. This would be his choice - But would that be fine by everyone? Religion is only the vehicle, its fine,its his choice. But its changing his output. [Edited 2/6/07 14:01pm] \o/\o/ ° The Breakdown = Best Prince song for 20 years | |
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i think it's an itneresting hypothesis but a stretch. and frankly i've always hated PR so.. . . for my part it smacks more of the JW's than it does not.
anyway, I get nauseated when prince starts preaching for the stage, however cryptic. stick to the rock bro! PS the pics were lovely-thanks. Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND | |
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I dont know about him not being a JW no more.. But I do know he tore that song up! and rocked the hell outta that halftime show.. He even made me scream like a woman when he played that shit lol
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If anything, it means the opposite of what this stoner is enthusing.
The opening lyrics to All Along The Watchtower describe an enclosed castle where Princes look over the barriades towards the outside world, a hellish darkness of foreboding and menace. Only since 1914, of course. The 'women came and went' could refer to his recent marriage break-up Mani and 'barefoot servants too' maybe his sound engineers. The Foos song is even more self-explanitory. He finds a confort in his religion he could never find in a woman, basically. This would all suggest the 'I ain't no fool' - elonggated and exaggerated with no background music so the audience (and the world [and his ex-wife]) took in every word, means 'My religion and path is right and yours is wrong.' You'll be waiting a long fucking time for that Dirty Mind remaster, folks. | |
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Graycap23 said: The curious gazed upon ME
More questions than answers 4 sure What ever the Quest I'll get off my chest And all remains PRIVATE and PURE Ur trying 2 sound like PRINCEY U sound more like little boy BLUE Whatever ur BEEF Try eating a LEAF Don't spit what u think 2 B TRUE ...unless it's snowwwing... I wish u heaven | |
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I was actually pondering the same theory... that this could have been a subtle "parting" message. I have no personal judgement on Prince's spiritual path, regardless of which one, so I feel that I am objective about my interpretation, which felt like it could've been a "goodbye", so 2 speak. Of course, it could've also been a "hello", as in stating commitment, as well. Only Prince knows...
I'll keep my bet on my instincts 4 now though. [Edited 2/6/07 15:43pm] "He's a musician's musician..." |
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youngyosh said: 2elijah said: SensualMelody said:
That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on. Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs
[Edited 2/6/07 12:03pm] ----- IMO All youve written above is bollox. [b ]As has been said many times, the majority, couldnt give a monkeys what religion he chooses to follow. We just want him to sing "Head" and "Erotic City" live, because they are wonderful songs. [snipped] Religion is only the vehicle, its fine,its his choice. But its changing his output.[/b] I disagree. Based on the number of people who used to post here before he announced he was a Witness (and now don't). If for some reason he did an interview and said he has decided not to be a Witness anymore the number of people coming out the woodwork doing the cabbage patch across the prince.org message boards would completely shut it down. As an aside --- the 3 minute album version is cool. The 20 minute monotonous live version he had taken to doing was a bore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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youngyosh said: 2elijah said: SensualMelody said:
That's because that minority of folks you're speaking about are looking for some desire/need that's missing in their own lives and they actually think if Prince does swearing and vulgarity in his music that he could fulfill their "personal" desires which is not going to happen. I remember seeing an interview, where the interviewer asked Prince about how he doesn't swear or do explicit lyrics, etc. anymore and he basically responded by saying that if that's what some fans are looking for then it is obvious they are missing something in their own lives which is not something he could give them, and he's right. He's been there, done that and has moved on. Besides, with all the crappy,so-called music out there with explicit lyrics I don't see why anyone is having a hard time finding music like that to fulfill those "personal" desires or waiting on Prince to suddenly decide to use explicit lyrics in his songs
[Edited 2/6/07 12:03pm] ----- IMO All youve written above is bollox. As has been said many times, the majority, couldnt give a monkeys what religion he chooses to follow. We just want him to sing "Head" and "Erotic City" live, because they are wonderful songs. For a slightly surreal old skool example - If for some bizarre reason the Elephant suddenly became an almighty sacred animal to him, and he steadfast refused to touch a piano again as the keys were still made of ivory. This would be his choice - But would that be fine by everyone? Religion is only the vehicle, its fine,its his choice. But its changing his output. [Edited 2/6/07 14:01pm] Wow sensitive are we? Don't get upset with me about it..that response in my post about Prince not singing songs with explicit/sexual content pretty much was something he stated in so many words than one, when he was interviewed some time ago during the Musicology concert promotion snd he was questioned about songs from the past. I believe this was during an interview with someone from BET, so chill, don't hate the messenger, I'm only telling what I took from that interview. That basically was the answer he gave, apparently we won't hear him sing any of those songs anytime soon, like he said many times "it's not shocking anymore, he's been there done that and moved on.
I guess you can always get the cd with those songs you mentioned and stick in in your cd player and listen to them and by the way "bollox??" <  whatever [Edited 2/8/07 9:59am] | |
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IstenSzek said: well on the recently leaked bootleg recorded november 10th 2006
at the rio, he gives about a 7 minute speech again and mentions jehova and the fact that he's baptised (he mentions this fact a little while into his performance of "cream"). I was at that show too, and I remember he talked about "People always in your personal business always wanting to know everything you do" ...he's right and unfortunately that's the price celebrities or artists pay for their popularity even if they want to keep their private lives private.. [Edited 2/6/07 17:10pm] | |
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"We all got a space to fill" | |
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Between the State of the World and the Worldwide unity of the faith Prince has the Wisdom to choose.
We all are imperfect but,Once learned it dosen't just go away So,don't part with the song of the heart "We all got a space to fill" | |
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Saffireseven said: Between the State of the World and the Worldwide unity of the faith Prince has the Wisdom to choose.
We all are imperfect but,Once learned it dosen't just go away So,don't part with the song of the heart i dig this. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Well he was passing out Watchtower's in Miami and at the Hard Rock so I'm thinking people who leave a faith don't still pass out the literature. | |
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novabrkr said:
The lyrics of Proud Mary prove that he is now an Odalist instead. "Rolling Down The River" refer to the kingdom of Odin, where Baldur searched out for himself by sailing down the rivers of Asgard. He is saying, "see bitches, I'm Norse now".
VERY funny. I would love to think he had left that silly group (religions generally are pernicious and silly, not JW especially), but given what people here have said about his recent speeches and handing out of religious texts, it seems unlikely. Back in the day, his spirituality was much less dogmatic and more creative and colourful and mixed in, sensibly, with sexual desire and pleasure. For example, Lovesexy live - inspiring, without needing to be taken as support for some particular religious cult/group with its pet prohibitions, self-righteousness and mean-spiritedness. Like when Wordsworth became a believer in a Christian god later in life (more devout/earnest anyway), as opposed to his earlier pantheism, his poetry suffered. But hey, at least 3121 is a step in the right direction musically (lots of lovely and cool electronic stuff, like his heyday) and Guitar is a really good, catchy, 'Princey' tune! | |
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Without offending anyone I would like to think this is true - we all know that Prince goes from one phase to another in life - he never seems to stay in one way for too long - constantly on the look out for new things/challenges - so maybe it is true - he could be moving on here - he could be bored or feel its too much..
I love the guy no matter what he decides to do - but theres this little voice inside of me saying "Damn! - I miss that deep down and dirty ole Prince cussing and grinding his ass across the stage...."  
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