Well again you are missing my point through your own assumptions, I liked almost everything he did in the 90's and he seems to forget that decade, then states he will no longer play the hits and then all he plays are mid 80's hits and forsakens everything else.
Prince has a lot of material to choose from. I am not going to pretend to know why he plays what he wants, or what he is inspired by--maybe he doesn't feel like playing any "Gold Experience" material-who knows? My point is that what Prince plays is kind of up to him right? He's done several tours- Gold, ONA without playing just "the hits". I like the music of Batman but could have done without the costume. Are you conceding that you do, in fact, like Prince at his most blatantly commercial? However my point is this I think as a musician he is most inspired when he is playing jazz he writes better now adays in that mode. He seems happier live when he is doing jazz.
Speaking of assumptions that's a pretty big one. You know what inspires Prince huh? I think guitar mixed with a tuba inspires the musician in him. My assumption is no more incorrect that yours. Fact is-you are just guessing and stretching based on your own tastes. The pop music he writes now seems forced and uninspired, and my point is I think alot of people including myself would appreciate if he just wrote to please himself rather than to have a pop hit in a market today that is dominated by uninspired teens with cookiecutter producers trying to satisfy and please the program directors of Clear Channel. Again, your interpretations and assumptions are many. There are many who would take 3121 and Black Sweat over any of his forced 90's hip hop. If you don't like Prince's current stuff that that's cool for you. The problem is that you start to act like you know what Prince's motivation is when you really don't. As I said before, Prince seems to do what he wants. That's how it's always been with him. What did you want him to do? Play an obscure B-Side at the Superbowl? Xpectation in a pool hall in Miami? Like the lyric says he's "got two sides and they're both friends". If you've been a fan long enough you'd know that by now. [Edited 2/5/07 20:33pm] "New Power slide...." | |
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LordEvil said: CJBabyDaddy said: Unless one of us here is Prince, I don't think anyone posting here has any basis for asserting when Prince's writing is "most inspired" or "least forced" or is designed to "please himself" or that he's "happier live when he is doing jazz." So often, we project our own views and feelings as his, when we really shouldn't. Or we claim to know what's in his head, when we can't possibly know. The happiest I ever saw him was on ONA he really seemed to enjoy what he was doing since then he seems to be going through the motions. He seemed to projected a lot of happiness during the 25 or so ONA, Musicology, Tamar, and 3121 performances that I've attended. But I wouldn't presume to say during which tour he was actually happiest. Like you, I couldn't possibly know. Unlike you, I don't presume to know. | |
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skywalker said: Well again you are missing my point through your own assumptions, I liked almost everything he did in the 90's and he seems to forget that decade, then states he will no longer play the hits and then all he plays are mid 80's hits and forsakens everything else.
Prince has a lot of material to choose from. I am not going to pretend to know why he plays what he wants, or what he is inspired by--maybe he doesn't feel like playing any "Gold Experience" material-who knows? My point is that what Prince plays is kind of up to him right? He's done several tours- Gold, ONA without playing just "the hits". Speaking of assumptions that's a pretty big one. You know what inspires Prince huh? I think guitar mixed with a tuba inspires the musician in him. My assumption is no more incorrect that yours. Fact is-you are just guessing and stretching based on your own tastes. The pop music he writes now seems forced and uninspired, and my point is I think alot of people including myself would appreciate if he just wrote to please himself rather than to have a pop hit in a market today that is dominated by uninspired teens with cookiecutter producers trying to satisfy and please the program directors of Clear Channel. Again, your interpretations and assumptions are many. There are many who would take 3121 and Black Sweat over any of his forced 90's hip hop. If you don't like Prince's current stuff that that's cool for you. The problem is that you start to act like you know what Prince's motivation is when you really don't. As I said before, Prince seems to do what he wants. That's how it's always been with him. What did you want him to do? Play an obscure B-Side at the Superbowl? Xpectation in a pool hall in Miami? Like the lyric says he's "got two sides and they're both friends". If you've been a fan long enough you'd know that by now. [Edited 2/5/07 20:33pm] You crack me up, I like how you use Batman as the height of commercial appeal how about Purple Rain or music of mid 80's Kiss Raspberry beret? You also crack me up with the purple haze that seems to obscure your vision so that you can't see an uninspired artist when he is right in front of you. I mean get real 3121 "Drink Champagne from a glass with chocalate handles" oh that has the same lyrical punch as Sign O The Times That lyric from 3121 as well as the rest of the song screams I have nothing to say as an artist, hence uninspired artist. And no yesterday at the Super Bowl I didn't expect him to throw down something from Xpectation but how about a song that has been written by him that isn't over 22 years old. Hey everybody says Black Sweat comes across better live how about that at least it is current. 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: Some of you may have noticed that i'm not very impressed with what Prince has done lately.
For me it all started with the album 3121 the album it seems as though Prince is completely uninspired. The lyrics to the song 3121 are weak there is nothing on that record that has me wanting to hear it. Its in my Ipod and when I have it on shuffle and a 3121 song comes on I hit next. Then there is the club 3121 this is another bad idea in what seems to be a streak of them for Prince lately. I hate GA concerts so that has kept me away, if he doesn't have enough respect to provide a seat for some of his older fans, then I don't have enough respect to go and see him. I feel like I'm not missing anything with the predictable and boring setlist. When he said that the Musicology tour was the last time hits like Lets Go Crazy and Purplr Rain would be played I was all for it because finally he could start playing some stuff that never gets the time of day. Instead its the same old boring material Kiss, Lets Go Crazy etc. for somebody that claims he doesn't want to live in the past he certainly can't let go of the Purple Rain album. I understand that the show at 3121 lasts maybe 100 minutes tops and half the time he isn't on stage he has the twins covering the vocals of the best song of the set 17 days. What happened to the 3 hour concerts and playing until 6 in the morning??? Where is the Prince that made me believe there were still musicians out there that did what they did because they loved music. Where is Prince the fighter? the guy that wouldn't budge against music industry B.S. it is certainly not the man that I saw go on American Idol! Did Prince sell his soul to the musical Illuminati? What he has done in the last 2 years has shocked me and shaken my faith in him as a savour to music, the one guy that I thought would never cave to the dollar for the sake of music seems to be doing just that. I'm lucky that there still some other artists I can turn to when Prince travels down a road I can't follow. I still have David Bowie and PinK Floyd even though they are not doing anything right now I have the old cd's in my iPod to remember the better times. I guess that is all I have left with Prince are albums like Emancipation, Come, Gold Experience, Batman, and SOTT music that never gets the time of day at one of his current concerts. Some of my favorite music by Prince and when he seems the most inspired is the Jazz experimental stuff like Xpectation, C-Note, NEWS he seems to be at his happiest when he does this stuff I wish he would do more. Most musicians have to write music to please themsleves to be inspired, I wish Prince would do that because i'm not sure what the current crop of music is written for because he doesn't even seem to be diggin' it. I'm sorry but your post is loaded with inaccuracies. Unlike you, I have made the journey to Vegas to see Prince at 3121 and he performs songs from some of those very albums that you listed. He did songs like Forever In My Life, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Shhh, and Partyman as well as other songs. He played a variety of songs from his extensive catalog. Also, you complained about GA concerts and I don't know when the last time you've been to one but unfortunately MOST concerts are GA now. I hate standing too and this is why at 3121 I stood one night and the next night we split a table for four! You are also incorrect when you say that most of the time he's not on stage and that he lets the twinz sing the entire songs. Again, if you had actually gone to one of these shows, you would know that this is not true. You also spoke about the shows being only 100 minutes at tops and actually his shows are like two hours long in which Prince does a couple of encores. He then takes a little break and then heads over to the the restaurant for a jazz session that lasts until 5:00 a.m. You say you love jazz well this is what Prince performs at the aftershows - basically it's straight jazz music!!! So again, your post is inaccurate. | |
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CJBabyDaddy said: LordEvil said: The happiest I ever saw him was on ONA he really seemed to enjoy what he was doing since then he seems to be going through the motions. He seemed to projected a lot of happiness during the 25 or so ONA, Musicology, Tamar, and 3121 performances that I've attended. But I wouldn't presume to say during which tour he was actually happiest. Like you, I couldn't possibly know. Unlike you, I don't presume to know. However its perfectly okay if some music reporter says that, but somebody that actually follows him has no right to this opinion. 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: However its perfectly okay if some music reporter says that
And, who, between us, said anything written by any music reporter was okay to any degree? | |
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Well i guess all the brainwashed followers that org use to accuse the NPGMC for have all come to the org because a lot of you can't handle constructive critism of your messiah. I guess I won't stand in the way of your worshiping, try not to drool all over the floor. I mean sorry I didn't conform to robots over here and decided to have an original thought or opinion. 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Well considering the fact that you took the time to post this to us...(because Prince sure as hell isn't going to read it and wouldn't care if he did)...when you could have been busy enjoying the music of someone other than Prince and not letting what he does or does not do affect you. I have to agree with sexinthesummer! get one thing straight what he does has no affect on me, if i was a total loser I would go to that cut rate show, then bitch about it but i haven't. This is the internet its my right to complain just as much as the next guy the only difference you guys are swallowing the swill he is giving you I am not. I'm suprised that i am getting this much flack from the org this was the site that said the NGPMC was a bunch of brainwashed yes fans. Now when Prince really isn't hitting the mark y'all wanna defend him. y'all are a trip Troll much? What an uninformed bunch of crap this is. 'A cut rate show'?!?! Pull your head out of your ass before posting, the Vegas shows and aftershows have been FANTASTIC! I'd be going every weekend if I could. Prince is TOTALLY hitting the mark in Vegas, it's an intimate setting where he's relaxed and interacting with the crowd. Then he goes in and jams for a while longer in the aftershow. Don't bitch about it unless you've actually been there and can speak from an informed opinion. Although, it seems you just want to piss and moan no matter what, so I change my answer...stay the fuck away and let folks who want to ENJOY themselves have the ticket. Maybe one of these will help you: | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: LordEvil said: So according to you I need to grow up for stating my opinion Well considering the fact that you took the time to post this to us...(because Prince sure as hell isn't going to read it and wouldn't care if he did)...when you could have been busy enjoying the music of someone other than Prince and not letting what he does or does not do affect you. I have to agree with sexinthesummer! I love u Sexy because u speak whats on your mind and your feedback is always on point... All i can say is U go girl | |
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Serena said: LordEvil said: get one thing straight what he does has no affect on me, if i was a total loser I would go to that cut rate show, then bitch about it but i haven't. This is the internet its my right to complain just as much as the next guy the only difference you guys are swallowing the swill he is giving you I am not. I'm suprised that i am getting this much flack from the org this was the site that said the NGPMC was a bunch of brainwashed yes fans. Now when Prince really isn't hitting the mark y'all wanna defend him. y'all are a trip Troll much? What an uninformed bunch of crap this is. 'A cut rate show'?!?! Pull your head out of your ass before posting, the Vegas shows and aftershows have been FANTASTIC! I'd be going every weekend if I could. Prince is TOTALLY hitting the mark in Vegas, it's an intimate setting where he's relaxed and interacting with the crowd. Then he goes in and jams for a while longer in the aftershow. Don't bitch about it unless you've actually been there and can speak from an informed opinion. Although, it seems you just want to piss and moan no matter what, so I change my answer...stay the fuck away and let folks who want to ENJOY themselves have the ticket. Maybe one of these will help you: FUCK OFF ROBOT 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: Serena said: Troll much? What an uninformed bunch of crap this is. 'A cut rate show'?!?! Pull your head out of your ass before posting, the Vegas shows and aftershows have been FANTASTIC! I'd be going every weekend if I could. Prince is TOTALLY hitting the mark in Vegas, it's an intimate setting where he's relaxed and interacting with the crowd. Then he goes in and jams for a while longer in the aftershow. Don't bitch about it unless you've actually been there and can speak from an informed opinion. Although, it seems you just want to piss and moan no matter what, so I change my answer...stay the fuck away and let folks who want to ENJOY themselves have the ticket. Maybe one of these will help you: FUCK OFF ROBOT Oooohh...what a good answer! One glaring inaccuracy, is as far as I know, there have been NO vocal solos by the Twinz when Prince is off-stage for a costume change. It's usually Pass the Peas or they might dance thru another instrumental type jam. So, take your own advice...thinking you're oh so evil...I'm frightened Auntie Em! | |
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LordEvil said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Well considering the fact that you took the time to post this to us...(because Prince sure as hell isn't going to read it and wouldn't care if he did)...when you could have been busy enjoying the music of someone other than Prince and not letting what he does or does not do affect you. I have to agree with sexinthesummer! get one thing straight what he does has no affect on me, if i was a total loser I would go to that cut rate show, then bitch about it but i haven't. This is the internet its my right to complain just as much as the next guy the only difference you guys are swallowing the swill he is giving you I am not. I'm suprised that i am getting this much flack from the org this was the site that said the NGPMC was a bunch of brainwashed yes fans. Now when Prince really isn't hitting the mark y'all wanna defend him. y'all are a trip Posting an opinion is one thing...what you are attempting is another. Apparently what he does...does have an affect on you because if it didn't...you'd have just stated your opinion and left it at that. Instead you are going on and on in defense of it and resorting to name calling because no one cares about it. Personally, I'd rather be brainwashed than braindead but that's just me! | |
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You crack me up, I like how you use Batman as the height of commercial appeal how about Purple Rain or music of mid 80's Kiss Raspberry beret? I use Batman because it is when Prince blatantly sold out the hardest to be commercial. He attached himself to the most hyped comic book mania ever to get his star to rise. You dig Batman, but hate on Prince's recent commercial "comeback"? As far as "kiss" and "raspberry beret" go, they were hot singles that sounded nothing like anything else on radio at the time. Also they were off of two albums that saw Prince going in the opposite direction of what was, at the time" commercial. So no, I am not referring to Purple Rain, Kiss or Raspberry Beret, I am referring to Batman. You say you dig it, yet that view contrasts with your whole mantra. You also crack me up with the purple haze that seems to obscure your vision so that you can't see an uninspired artist when he is right in front of you. I mean get real 3121 "Drink Champagne from a glass with chocalate handles" oh that has the same lyrical punch as Sign O The Times That lyric from 3121 as well as the rest of the song screams I have nothing to say as an artist, hence uninspired artist.
Sign O' the Times vs. Incense & Candles is apples and oranges and a very poor comparsion. They are two songs setting out to accomplish different things. You cannot compare a sexy little bedroom song to a song that is and anthemic social and global commentary and call it "fair" comparison. Prince's lyrics are not much better or worse than they've ever been. There are some clunkers and some high spots on every album. You named Emancipation as one of your faves. That is album with some clumbsy lyrics. "Drink Champagne from a glass with chocalate handles" is no worse than, "mr. happy's here and he's buggin'" or, "fuck the bullshit steaks for dinner this winter.." Bottom line: It sounds to me like you are tired of Prince. Honestly, I cannot say that 3121 is much better or worse than Emancipation, furthermore I cannot see how a Prince fan who digs one can hate the other so much. And no yesterday at the Super Bowl I didn't expect him to throw down something from Xpectation but how about a song that has been written by him that isn't over 22 years old. Hey everybody says Black Sweat comes across better live how about that at least it is current.
In the end, the Superbowl wasn't about what he played but how he played it. Shit, he did 3 covers and the world at it up. Only Prince. He put passion and intensity into the performance that towered over other artists of his stature. You call it going through the motions, the rest of the world called it "greatness". In the end I saw Prince being passionate about his music. He tore it up and made it look easy. He played with emotion. I am sorry you didn't feel it. I am happy because Prince is still doing whatever the fuck he wants and how he wants. Maybe you should go listen to NEWS, because Prince just added to his legend and all you can do is complain.... "New Power slide...." | |
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Don't bitch about it unless you've actually been there and can speak from an informed opinion.
Wait you haven't been to Vegas and you are bitching about it? Come on. Did you go to the ONA tour or not? Did you watch the Superbowl or just read the set list? Is that a toilet flushing or your credibility? I am mostly teasing you BTW. Give Xotica a good listen for me when listening to Xpectation. "New Power slide...." | |
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what more do you want from him ? hes old!!!lol Your lips would make a lollipop too happy. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: LordEvil said: get one thing straight what he does has no affect on me, if i was a total loser I would go to that cut rate show, then bitch about it but i haven't. This is the internet its my right to complain just as much as the next guy the only difference you guys are swallowing the swill he is giving you I am not. I'm suprised that i am getting this much flack from the org this was the site that said the NGPMC was a bunch of brainwashed yes fans. Now when Prince really isn't hitting the mark y'all wanna defend him. y'all are a trip Posting an opinion is one thing...what you are attempting is another. Apparently what he does...does have an affect on you because if it didn't...you'd have just stated your opinion and left it at that. Instead you are going on and on in defense of it and resorting to name calling because no one cares about it. Personally, I'd rather be brainwashed than braindead but that's just me! Well when you motherfuckers decide you wanna act like immature little fucktards that can't handle a critism of your messiah. Then I will be rude too. 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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skywalker said: Don't bitch about it unless you've actually been there and can speak from an informed opinion.
Wait you haven't been to Vegas and you are bitching about it? Come on. Did you go to the ONA tour or not? Did you watch the Superbowl or just read the set list? Is that a toilet flushing or your credibility? I am mostly teasing you BTW. Give Xotica a good listen for me when listening to Xpectation. I have been to every tour since Jam of the Year all except this 3121 mess and it must piss you guys off all the more that I live in Vegas and can't be bothered to cross the street to see a second rate show when you dumb fucks are crossing the country I'd prefer to remember pasts preformances. 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Posting an opinion is one thing...what you are attempting is another. Apparently what he does...does have an affect on you because if it didn't...you'd have just stated your opinion and left it at that. Instead you are going on and on in defense of it and resorting to name calling because no one cares about it. Personally, I'd rather be brainwashed than braindead but that's just me! Well when you motherfuckers decide you wanna act like immature little fucktards that can't handle a critism of your messiah. Then I will be rude too. The next time you want to call me a motherfucker...be sure to put Sexy in front it! Oh and it's real plain to see who can't handle criticism around here. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: LordEvil said: Well when you motherfuckers decide you wanna act like immature little fucktards that can't handle a critism of your messiah. Then I will be rude too. The next time you want to call me a motherfucker...be sure to put Sexy in front it! Oh and it's real plain to see who can't handle criticism around here. It seems to me that you can't handle a free thinking discerning Prince fan, you want a drone, a yesman, a worshiper. You can't handle when somebody calls foul against your messiah so don't wet your pants about it the sun will rise tomorrow 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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LordEvil said: SexyBeautifulOne said: The next time you want to call me a motherfucker...be sure to put Sexy in front it! Oh and it's real plain to see who can't handle criticism around here. It seems to me that you can't handle a free thinking discerning Prince fan, you want a drone, a yesman, a worshiper. You can't handle when somebody calls foul against your messiah so don't wet your pants about it the sun will rise tomorrow It seems to me that we're handling you just fine! You're the one that's all bent out of shape because we don't share your opinion. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: LordEvil said: It seems to me that you can't handle a free thinking discerning Prince fan, you want a drone, a yesman, a worshiper. You can't handle when somebody calls foul against your messiah so don't wet your pants about it the sun will rise tomorrow It seems to me that we're handling you just fine! You're the one that's all bent out of shape because we don't share your opinion. No not at all when 4 members go the offensive and are rude because I don't share their opinions, then its obvious to me that this is an immature crowd and gone are the days at the org when you could discuss things without having to worry about fanatical followers who are here to worship. Tell me I bet your JW too 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: LordEvil said: It seems to me that you can't handle a free thinking discerning Prince fan, you want a drone, a yesman, a worshiper. You can't handle when somebody calls foul against your messiah so don't wet your pants about it the sun will rise tomorrow It seems to me that we're handling you just fine! You're the one that's all bent out of shape because we don't share your opinion. No not at all when 4 members go the offensive and are rude because I don't share their opinions, then its obvious to me that this is an immature crowd and gone are the days at the org when you could discuss things without having to worry about fanatical followers who are here to worship. Tell me I bet your JW too 23 more days to Ball Dangle Day!!!!! | |
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"I hate GA concerts so that has kept me away, if he doesn't have enough respect to provide a seat for some of his older fans, then I don't have enough respect to go and see him."
LOL. But you also want 3 hour concerts. Do you need someone to massage your feet too. Perhaps I can wait on you should you feel the need for refreshment? In fact, why don't we all stop what we're doing and answer to you - oh mighty one. Another self-obsessed weirdo. | |
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LordEvil said: Some of you may have noticed that i'm not very impressed with what Prince has done lately.
For me it all started with the album 3121 the album it seems as though Prince is completely uninspired. The lyrics to the song 3121 are weak there is nothing on that record that has me wanting to hear it. Its in my Ipod and when I have it on shuffle and a 3121 song comes on I hit next. Then there is the club 3121 this is another bad idea in what seems to be a streak of them for Prince lately. I hate GA concerts so that has kept me away, if he doesn't have enough respect to provide a seat for some of his older fans, then I don't have enough respect to go and see him. I feel like I'm not missing anything with the predictable and boring setlist. When he said that the Musicology tour was the last time hits like Lets Go Crazy and Purplr Rain would be played I was all for it because finally he could start playing some stuff that never gets the time of day. Instead its the same old boring material Kiss, Lets Go Crazy etc. for somebody that claims he doesn't want to live in the past he certainly can't let go of the Purple Rain album. I understand that the show at 3121 lasts maybe 100 minutes tops and half the time he isn't on stage he has the twins covering the vocals of the best song of the set 17 days. What happened to the 3 hour concerts and playing until 6 in the morning??? Where is the Prince that made me believe there were still musicians out there that did what they did because they loved music. Where is Prince the fighter? the guy that wouldn't budge against music industry B.S. it is certainly not the man that I saw go on American Idol! Did Prince sell his soul to the musical Illuminati? What he has done in the last 2 years has shocked me and shaken my faith in him as a savour to music, the one guy that I thought would never cave to the dollar for the sake of music seems to be doing just that. I'm lucky that there still some other artists I can turn to when Prince travels down a road I can't follow. I still have David Bowie and PinK Floyd even though they are not doing anything right now I have the old cd's in my iPod to remember the better times. I guess that is all I have left with Prince are albums like Emancipation, Come, Gold Experience, Batman, and SOTT music that never gets the time of day at one of his current concerts. Some of my favorite music by Prince and when he seems the most inspired is the Jazz experimental stuff like Xpectation, C-Note, NEWS he seems to be at his happiest when he does this stuff I wish he would do more. Most musicians have to write music to please themsleves to be inspired, I wish Prince would do that because i'm not sure what the current crop of music is written for because he doesn't even seem to be diggin' it. You make some good points. Do you realize that he is probably sick and tired of playing the Purple Rain stuff? If he didn't do that, I doubt if Superbowl would even have him. And as far as him selling out, to tell the truth, at different points in his career he has always "sold out" it comes with the territory and he understands this as a professional. You can't always do what you want to do in this business. | |
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[This thread is nothing but flame bait at its worst.
"Its in my Ipod and when I have it on shuffle and a 3121 song comes on I hit next."... are you even remotely aware of how lame that statement was/is? For all your "insightful" views on Prince - it all comes down to you wanting to create a thread of animosity with your spouting of innaccurate concert data and accusations of repetition - though you haven't even been to Club 3121. Then you proceed to slam people who come to his defense, knowing full well that your b.s. thread would only incite such. this crap - June7 Don't like to swim? Then get out of the water... ] |
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