SexyBeautifulOne said:

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Co-Sign. I don't want to see Prince doing dirty south rap which is what is popular right now. It is called respecting those that came before you. Young people today lack home training or respect for their elders but, it does not matter because their day it coming and no one is going to respect them.

In addtion, if you don't think Prince is bring it stop ripping him off. I never heard P say anything in public about James Brown or Sly and it is really crazy for Timberlake to say anything. He already helped ruin Janet now you are taking on Prince !!!!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Look, I'm willing to throw Justin Timberlake under the bus (He made a good album WITH the help of producers and songwriters...He should just shut up and be happy he has strong album)...But with Timbaland, I get his point...You see, I love it how mainstream folks have just gotten up on the man, just because he hooked up Justin...Timbaland was doing work back in 96-97...Charges of Timbaland ripping off another producer doesn't take away from the fact that he played a MAJOR role in changing the sound of R&B as a producer for Missy Elliot and Aaliyah way back when...

So, I feel he deserves some form of respect...I also know for a fact (just as someone else has said) that Prince wouldn't stand for such criticism of his work when he was leading the music world...I think Prince should understand that if he is going to shit on folks, folks will shit on him back...Plain and simple...And Timbaland has the legs to stand on to do so...Of course, he knows he's not as talented as Prince; No shit...But Timbaland also wants to be given respect as just an artist...Not too much to ask, huh?

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Let me clarify. When I say current pop bites off PRince's former greatness ... I of course mean they are derivative of his earlier works. YEs, the man is still great, but as I said his recent and current works don't reflect that transcendence.

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murph said:

Prince certainly has taken more than his fair share of "criticism"! Especially back in the day...from the press, from his fellow artists, and from the public! Did he whine and cry about it? NO!

He let his talent speak for itself and here we are nearly 3 decades from where it all began, watching as his talent STILL speaks for itself!

If Timbabland wants his talent respected, he needs to quite whining about mean ol' Prince and let his "talent" do the talking...

Oh wait...that's right...he tried that but it started telling where it really comes from...so nevermind!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

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The fact that he is crying let's know he does not really have the talent. If he knew he could bring it he would let his talent do the talking. Like P did with Rick James. Never said anything in public just did his thing.

Did this just happen? because the little song is old news.
If it did, then Tim is only riding on Prince's steam to create a much needed cloud of smoke to hide his recent shady activity.

He needs to approach that issue in a completely different way. Like maybe, offer that guy a job or PAY him. Clouds dissipate and people will not forget this one. They'll always wonder if the next hot track is truly his.

Negritaluvyu said:

"U must become a prince before u're king anyway"

Klyph said:

Prince made his comments in PRIVATE. Not in the public domain. There is a DIFFERENCE.
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SynthiaRose said:

Does it really have to? Timbabland's and Timberfake's chart topping crap pretty much proves there's little to no interest for greatness in music anymore, doesn't it?

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Again, I see where you are coming from...But whether or not Timbaland lifted something for a track (no lawsuit yet...let's see what happens, but its still not cool...) doesn't take away from his past work..The only folks that's are dismissing Timbaland like he's garbage are the ones that just got put on to him over the last two years...The man's 90s work was some genre-pushing R&B...Check it out if you like...Prince shitting on Justin Timberlake is funny because he's Justin (I dig some of his album, but he owes a lot of his success to Tim, D, and his co-songwriters...)But Timbaland has done the work to gain some form of respect...That's all I'm saying..

mozfonky said:

Honey, I hear you loud and clear, shoot, I would be sitting at his knee saying, "Can I come to the Prince school of success, where can I sign up?"
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FunkyBrotha said:

shit...I live in the US (and in the NY radio area) and have no clue who Timbaland is. As far as Justin- let's see if 30 years into his career he's considered a legend and gets asked back to play the Superbowl and drag out his old classics. please!!!

murph said:

I have to disagree. Now, Timbaland does have success when he can find an artist to get behind, if they are already going upward (Nelly and Justin). Where was he before Timberlake? He really hasn't hit gold success since Aaliyah's death. She was his main artist to date that he got props for. Think about it. With Justin and Nelly, yes, he is back himself before the public's eyes, but I can't recall any other artist that he has produced that sent his name before the public again. Timbaland has to realize that "ghetto" antics and trying to get a mini war going with Prince just doesn't make any sense. His fifteen minutes are really up.

I can see both sides of the coin on this issue but if Tim was really pissed about these comments, then he should try to step up his game. Not to try and please Prince but to improve on his craft. Tim has been doing the same style for a while, it just took him being with Jusitn for all the world to hear it so it would be cool for Timbaland to shake things up. Prince could have said what he said differently but I agree with P. Tim has potential to be even better, so why not try to improve? Just my 2 cents.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Um...yeah. For me anyway. I don't care what the charts say or what other contemporaries are doing. For principle, Prince should strive to put out work that reflects his highest caliber. Any artist should. He's not doing that, so he really shouldn't be judging anyone, only himself so he can get over this hump and leave a good legacy in tact.

But I think the argument you want is with people who think Timbaland's hot, not me.

paisley16 said:

I can't see that happening.

What s stupid opinion.
You want him to stand around like a stiff dick?
Have you guys seen any other guitar players besides Prince?
Are you aware of the blues tradition? Prince is very aware of it.
Dude is hosting the Superbowl, he has every right to be arrogant.
They asked him, he did not go beg them.
I saw that comment, and was like dude is a complete idiot that posted that.

Who's pop culture? Yours?

Tubby Timbaland is tiring and so is Justin Wiggerlake.

SynthiaRose said:

workingupahiyellasweat said:

I was going to add the same comment regarding the SuperBowl myself. The only reason why Timberlake was on the Superbowl was because he was with Janet (who has been in the game for over twenty some years)...and we all know how that turned out. The Superbowl only ask people who have a proven track record in the music business. They even asked Billy Joel to sign the National Anthem. Now, Prince is a genius and to be a genius African American guitarist is just mindblowing....

Now, whether anyone agrees or disagrees with his current output regarding his music; I just think that every artist has music that his or her fans will enjoy or feel that the music could be stronger, but you can't take from the fact that Prince can create music anytime he wants to.

Oh, what instruments do Timberlake or Timberland play? How many do they play again? I keep forgetting....
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LOL@Timberland and Timberlake....


the fact that they have the nerve to even "look" at Prince is hilarious.....

LoveAlive said:

Yes, Timbaland is relevant and a top producer now and Prince isn't really. But what does Timbaland do when he no longer becomes relevant? Can he jam on the guitar? Can he dance? Can he sing? Play piano?

Prince can still rip up a live performance or make a killer cover tune. What's Timbaland gonna do other than just say "Yeah!" after Justin sings a line?

yoshimaroka said:

Excellent point!

SynthiaRose said:

I don't want an argument at all, I just like telling it like it is. For principle...Prince strives to put out work that to HIM and HIM alone reflects his highest caliber. Whether or not anyone else agrees that it does...is really on them and is by no means an exception to his greatness.

Personally, I think the song "Guitar" is as weak as water but that does not in anyway change the fact that Prince is one of the baddest men to ever touch a guitar and he has every right to strut around and say so!

Eh, it won't be the first nor the last time P has been dissed. It's been said many times over and over either you love him or you hate him.

I listen to Donnie's show but missed this particular interview so I can't comment on whether the comments seemed out of context or not.

I just think it's funny that Timbaland and Justin keep beating this drum to dog P over an off the cuff comment made at an afterparty months ago.

I wonder when Timbaland is going to get asked the very uncomfortable question by the media of why he's plagiarizing lesser known artists work.


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Ifsixwuz9 said:

oooh my first flaming post!! yay!! lol

To be fair, Prince has had several (disproven) lawsuits brought against him in the past regarding credit for songs. And there have been plenty of rumors of him taking ideas from others that didn't go all the way to court.

The difference between his situation and Tim's is that the bulk of Prince's work is built on a foundation of original composition. He has written so many songs that accusations of him depending on someone else's work and passing it off as his own is questionable at best. He's continued to put out music whether Dez, Morris, Andre, Wendy, Lisa, Sheila, Renato, Maceo, Kirk (!) or anyone else was around or not. I'm not saying it's not possible he "borrowed" some ideas from others, but he's proven he doesn't need to.

On the other hand, a large part of Tim's contribution/talent is based on sampling the work of others. There is a line, somewhere, between creative re-use of other ideas and outright thievery and the work of a sampler dances on that razor's edge. We're still in the middle of determining, legally, exactly where that line lies, so the argument was bound to be layed at his door sooner or later. And without the track record to prove he can and does create in a wholly independent fashion, should he be found guilty, it calls into question everything else he's done.

In the end, though, it's probably a moot question. Per my previous post, today's music isn't held to a standard of creativity and originality, so it's not like Joe Public will stop buying his records or thinking he's "hot".

Shame that.
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yoshimaroka said:

hey, it takes some skill to know the the best moment to throw "yeah" in a song. Anyway for me this isn't about who is better at what. The fact that Prince is a legend does not ever give him to go ahead to be nasty to people. ever. I don't care if his next shit is up there with Beethoven and 'em. I don't know what context Prince said it in but if he wasn't asked what he thought about it and said that- it was ruuude. rude.

alwayslate said:

I don't see it as rude. First, he didn't say it in a major publication, he apparently said it directly to the person who should be the recipient of any feedback.

Secondly, we don't know the context within which this conversation took place. Tim doesn't give us any more details i.e. when /why/ where or if Prince was asked for his opinion or not. Even if he wasn't, Tim is a big boy. Critics, the general press, talkshow hosts...all can, do and will have comments to make about any music he puts out there. Unsolicited or not, Prince has as much right as anyone else to an opinion. The criticism I would have for him would be to offer something more constructive than "you're not there yet", but maybe he did? Tim isn't telling the whole story I'm sure and Prince isn't talking at all -- maybe because he never meant to blab his thoughts in front of the whole world in the first place?.

The problem here is that folks seem to think that as long as you've sold x units and had x google hits, you've "made" it and anyone who tries to challenge you to do better and go beyond is showing you disrespect. If Tim was open to improving upon his craft, he could/should have asked for specifics, listened to any views Prince had to offer, weigh it and either apply or disregard it, not try to discredit the ability of someone who has clearly proven his musical talent by any measure you care to use.

Dialogue about music between musicians should be encouraged, not stifled for fear that an ego is bruised. If Prince's comments pissed him off that much, maybe that's a good thing. Maybe he'll take that as impetus to examine what he has done and push himself to do more instead of listening to yes men and hangers on who really couldn't give a crap what the music sounds like as long as Tim's paying the bills. Isn't this what many on here have crabbed about Prince for doing: not having folks around who will call him on it when he is resting on his laurels?

workingupahiyellasweat said:

No, I don't want him to just stand around. I want him to play kick ass music worthy of all that showboating pretense.

Of course I've seen other guitar players. There's a difference between glamming with substance and empty, pretentious glamming to cover up a lack of new ideas and inspiration. I have nothing bad to say about Prince's onstage 80s antics, which were way more over the top. But today, all the coy eye play and other stuff just comes off as so fake because it's not backed up by anything.

And no, not my pop culture ...since I"m not that much of a pop fan and would prefer that Prince do rock instead. HOwever, he embarasses himself by trying to do hip-pop and pop.

IF you would stop falling back on the name calling debate style maybe you could decipher better.
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