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Thread started 01/27/07 7:31am

BT11

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Why isn't Parade considered his best?

I know it is a fan's favorite, but Sign 'O' The Times, Dirty Mind and even 1999 are always the critics darlings. SOTT for its diversity, Dirty Mind for the groundbreaking lyrics and new wave and punk influences and 1999 obviously for the irresistable combination of electro and funk.
I get that, but none of these albums can match the exciting arrangements of tracks like Life Can Be So Nice and Mountains, don't have something extremely catchy as Kiss and Girls & Boys. The whole sound of Parade is so highly original and fresh, not to mention the instrumentation! To me it's his artistic peak.
I know it's a matter of opinion but I mean this pure technically, so especially for the musicians and long time fans over here:

Why isn't Parade considered Prince's artistic highlight?

Hope you guys can help me out!


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Reply #1 posted 01/27/07 7:35am

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1) It got tainted by association with Under the Cherry Moon -- which the critics more or less hated.

2) The Parade tour only happened in Europe.
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Reply #2 posted 01/27/07 7:45am

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Genesia said:

1) It got tainted by association with Under the Cherry Moon -- which the critics more or less hated.

2) The Parade tour only happened in Europe.


Yes that crossed my mind too, really a shame.
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Reply #3 posted 01/27/07 9:11am

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it would be considered his best by much more people if he'd
not messed with the tracklist and left "Old Friends 4 Sale"
"Others Here With Us" and "All My Dreams" on it.

and perhaps the 'extended' version of "AnotherLover".

as it is now, it's actually already my fav album of prince,
but with those tracks on it, it would be simply stellar!
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Reply #4 posted 01/27/07 9:39am

sexxydancer

Easy-bcuz it isn't 1 of his best.
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Reply #5 posted 01/27/07 10:16am

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Parade is one of his best.
I'll take it over Purple Rain any day.
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Reply #6 posted 01/27/07 10:19am

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sexxydancer said:

Easy-bcuz it isn't 1 of his best.

Strange u say that because as good as it is,it isn't one of my favorites either.New Position,Girls and Boys,Mountains,Kiss and Anotherloverholenyohead r my faves.Granted that's most of the album but still...
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Reply #7 posted 01/27/07 10:24am

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I think however that it is probably considerd his most underrated album by both fans and music critics alike.
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Reply #8 posted 01/27/07 10:25am

BT11

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sexxydancer said:

Easy-bcuz it isn't 1 of his best.


Why do you think that? (try to answer in more than 1 sentence.)
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Reply #9 posted 01/27/07 11:48am

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This is THE album imo that has aged the best over the years. When it came out I, of course, loved it, but I really listened to the "highlights"...AKA, Kiss, Girls & Boys, Mountains, and Anotherlover...it took me a few years to appreciate it as a whole. Now when I put it on i have to listen to it from beginning to end. It has so much going on within each song and then the next song totally switches gears. Its just as fresh now as it was then. I personally think it IS one of his best.
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Reply #10 posted 01/27/07 12:00pm

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Wonderwall said:

This is THE album imo that has aged the best over the years. When it came out I, of course, loved it, but I really listened to the "highlights"...AKA, Kiss, Girls & Boys, Mountains, and Anotherlover...it took me a few years to appreciate it as a whole. Now when I put it on i have to listen to it from beginning to end. It has so much going on within each song and then the next song totally switches gears. Its just as fresh now as it was then. I personally think it IS one of his best.


Me too. I always listen to it from start to finish, and I rarely skip a song. I especially love how the first five tracks seem to lead into one another.
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Reply #11 posted 01/27/07 12:14pm

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Wonderwall said:

This is THE album imo that has aged the best over the years. When it came out I, of course, loved it, but I really listened to the "highlights"...AKA, Kiss, Girls & Boys, Mountains, and Anotherlover...it took me a few years to appreciate it as a whole. Now when I put it on i have to listen to it from beginning to end. It has so much going on within each song and then the next song totally switches gears. Its just as fresh now as it was then. I personally think it IS one of his best.


Me too. I always listen to it from start to finish, and I rarely skip a song. I especially love how the first five tracks seem to lead into one another.


nod My favorites are Parade and ATWIAD because there aren't any tracks I skip... I think Parade is my favorite Prince album.
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Reply #12 posted 01/27/07 12:16pm

coolcat

BT11 said:

I know it is a fan's favorite, but Sign 'O' The Times, Dirty Mind and even 1999 are always the critics darlings. SOTT for its diversity, Dirty Mind for the groundbreaking lyrics and new wave and punk influences and 1999 obviously for the irresistable combination of electro and funk.
I get that, but none of these albums can match the exciting arrangements of tracks like Life Can Be So Nice and Mountains, don't have something extremely catchy as Kiss and Girls & Boys. The whole sound of Parade is so highly original and fresh, not to mention the instrumentation! To me it's his artistic peak.
I know it's a matter of opinion but I mean this pure technically, so especially for the musicians and long time fans over here:

Why isn't Parade considered Prince's artistic highlight?

Hope you guys can help me out!




I think Parade is his best. I wish all the music from the movie was on the album... I love the whole French sound to it(accordian)... that jazzy piano...
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Reply #13 posted 01/27/07 12:17pm

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Parade's timeless...theres not too many Prince albums from the 80's you can say that about. cool
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Reply #14 posted 01/27/07 1:23pm

sexxydancer

BT11 said:

sexxydancer said:

Easy-bcuz it isn't 1 of his best.


Why do you think that? (try to answer in more than 1 sentence.)
I've never been in2 the whole Wendy and Lisa thing,and I guess,4 me,that 2 many songs on there have their kind of vibe.That being said,while I LOVE Prince and ALL that he does,I don't consider Parade his best work.
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Reply #15 posted 01/27/07 1:30pm

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Reply #16 posted 01/27/07 2:02pm

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Risico said:

Wonderwall said:

This is THE album imo that has aged the best over the years. When it came out I, of course, loved it, but I really listened to the "highlights"...AKA, Kiss, Girls & Boys, Mountains, and Anotherlover...it took me a few years to appreciate it as a whole. Now when I put it on i have to listen to it from beginning to end. It has so much going on within each song and then the next song totally switches gears. Its just as fresh now as it was the. I personally think it IS one of his best.


Me too. I always listen to it from start to finish, and I rarely skip a song. I especially love how the first five tracks seem to lead into one another.


You guys said it very well.

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I think Parade is a gem and has aged the best --- it could be released now and still seem fresh. You can't really say that about a lot his albums.

What I like most about it is that it was a meditation on a French theme that was so different and exquisite. I loved the way he played with the genre. At once elegant and proper (Sometimes It Snows), and then playful and naughty (New Position).

It's the perfect little album. I love it.

(And, yes, I like to listen to it from beginning to end as well -- as it was intended. With the way things are headed in music nowadays, this way of enjoying albums -- as unified wholes -- is going the way of the Dodo bird.).
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Reply #17 posted 01/27/07 2:32pm

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It's not his absolute best, but it should at least be in the top 5.
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Reply #18 posted 01/27/07 3:20pm

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Genesia said:

1) It got tainted by association with Under the Cherry Moon -- which the critics more or less hated.

2) The Parade tour only happened in Europe.


this would be incorrect as the first live Prince show I ever saw was for Parade at Madison Square Garden....I don't recall if there was a full blown tour but there were some dates at least.
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Reply #19 posted 01/27/07 6:33pm

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BT11 said:

I know it is a fan's favorite, but Sign 'O' The Times, Dirty Mind and even 1999 are always the critics darlings. SOTT for its diversity, Dirty Mind for the groundbreaking lyrics and new wave and punk influences and 1999 obviously for the irresistable combination of electro and funk.
I get that, but none of these albums can match the exciting arrangements of tracks like Life Can Be So Nice and Mountains, don't have something extremely catchy as Kiss and Girls & Boys. The whole sound of Parade is so highly original and fresh, not to mention the instrumentation! To me it's his artistic peak.
I know it's a matter of opinion but I mean this pure technically, so especially for the musicians and long time fans over here:

Why isn't Parade considered Prince's artistic highlight?

Hope you guys can help me out!



Prince was his usual non-business minded self. Great album, flopped movie. Great single, but the rest of the album was a further divergence that started with atwiad. It was brilliant but not created to capture the pop audience or the people who bought purple rain.
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Reply #20 posted 01/27/07 7:34pm

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Any Prince album from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy should be highly rated by any Prince fan.Parade is no exception. The album was a critical smash but was hindered from commerical success because of a lack of top ten songs outside of Kiss.

Personally the 3 singles from the album rank at the top of my Prince list.
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Reply #21 posted 01/27/07 8:31pm

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gypsyfire said:

Parade is one of his best.
I'll take it over Purple Rain any day.


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Reply #22 posted 01/27/07 9:22pm

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Parade is, by far, my all-time fave!! biggrin
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Reply #23 posted 01/28/07 12:53am

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"why isn't it considered Prince's artistic highlight".

Well it is a class record... can't think of any artist who wouldn't want this in their back-catalog.
But
Parade did not change my outlook on Music like SOTT did.
SOTT is also "heavy" where Parade is "light" and for me that means a lot. I like thinking when I'm listening , mostley. Intellectually Parade misses out here (and aloso to Come and Rainbow Children).

I think if you asked the British Music Press it would get the nod for Prince's best... always rated from dim memory NME made it best of '86(?) and "Kiss" always turns up in genius moments of music.
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Reply #24 posted 01/28/07 9:07am

antichrist

Maybe because of the sound quality people can't really appreciate the dynamics, textures and production.

The drums sound poor and weak.

A well remastered version would sound BRILLIANT!
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Reply #25 posted 01/29/07 9:08am

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foal30 said:

"why isn't it considered Prince's artistic highlight".

Well it is a class record... can't think of any artist who wouldn't want this in their back-catalog.
But
Parade did not change my outlook on Music like SOTT did.
SOTT is also "heavy" where Parade is "light" and for me that means a lot. I like thinking when I'm listening , mostley. Intellectually Parade misses out here (and aloso to Come and Rainbow Children).

I think if you asked the British Music Press it would get the nod for Prince's best... always rated from dim memory NME made it best of '86(?) and "Kiss" always turns up in genius moments of music.


You prefer Come and Rainbow Children over Parade?
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Reply #26 posted 01/29/07 9:13am

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paisley16 said:

Genesia said:

1) It got tainted by association with Under the Cherry Moon -- which the critics more or less hated.

2) The Parade tour only happened in Europe.


this would be incorrect as the first live Prince show I ever saw was for Parade at Madison Square Garden....I don't recall if there was a full blown tour but there were some dates at least.


One US date does not a US tour make.
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Reply #27 posted 01/29/07 9:40am

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I think it's down to the ear that hears it. My favourite Prince release is impossible to say, but I have a favourite era, and it's ATWIAD to SOTT including the Black album.
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Reply #28 posted 01/29/07 9:43am

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Parade is genius! But its hard to consider it his best. He was in a good creative place during that period. However I still don't consider that as his xenith.
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Reply #29 posted 01/29/07 10:00am

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paisley16 said:

Genesia said:

1) It got tainted by association with Under the Cherry Moon -- which the critics more or less hated.

2) The Parade tour only happened in Europe.


this would be incorrect as the first live Prince show I ever saw was for Parade at Madison Square Garden....I don't recall if there was a full blown tour but there were some dates at least.




I was about to say that too.... I saw him both nights @ the Garden (This was his Hit and Run shows of 86)
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