Imago said:

lwr001 said:

let me make this very clear.
i dont know how to say this more bluntly.
Prince is putting out shitty songs lately. that's why his album was short lived in the chart. sure it was debuted #1 after massive promotions singing purple rain, let's go crazy.(by the way i'm so tired of hearing go, go, go)
no great songs, no substance.
no one cares about his new songs anymore even though over 100 million people have watched/heard his performance at american idol. his new stuff doesn't work.he's trying but aint working like used to.
dont give me no shit about prince doesnt care about making a hit.
if that's the case, he would have never appeared on american idol and sang those two songs. that was called 'promotion' in case you dont understand.
if you put out a great album, eventually people will tune in.
that applies to anything that you do.

p.s. britney spear, no doubt, your boy justin timberlake all appeared on superbowl. so what the fukk does that mean? you make it sound like it's the shit for special people.

Graycap23 said:

ok so that's why prince doesnt have hits anymore because he's not doing as you have listed above.
are you his manager?

if you are right, EVERY musician should have a hit.
but why aren't they?

ok so maybe if he isnt making any more hits, he could be having a dry spell, dang give it time. he's old. what do you expect

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metalorange said:

Okay then, explain why he even bothers releasing singles with videos. The whole point of a single is to promote the album, if a single sells well and cracks the charts then it is a sign it is doing its intended job. If that is not Prince trying to compete, I don't know what is. Clearly Prince plays the game to a certain level, co-operating with the record label enough to do lavish videos and release singles, doing the odd bit of TV promotion, it's just that he doesn't throw himself totally into it anymore. In other words, I think he'd be quite happy to have a big hit... it's just that apart from the above he's not willing to do the work necessary these days, which is a somewhat half-assed approach if you ask me.

ratt said:

Lol.....today's music is NOT about MUSICIANS it seems.
If u hav a cute face, a thug attitude or a combination of either.....

This is such an ignorant ass topic. What does Prince have to compete with anybody or anything for? The man has been in the music business for 30 years and had made some of the greatest records ever. His legacy is secured and not to mention, Prince is one of few entertainers that can announce he's coming to your town and it will sell out in a matter of minutes. Yes, he's gonna always sing "Let's Go Crazy" and "Purple Rain" because that's his music, and there are folks who wanna hear it.

Compete? Compete with who? Damn sure not the Justins and the Britneys of the world. If hit singles and hit albums is what you're banking what Prince is all about, then you're obviously not a fan.

poeticrockstar said:

obviously you are the closed minded foo. read it carefully before start talking shit. i never said prince should compete against today's no talent singers.
read my topics carefully. i criticized for making shitty songs.
it meant that prince cant write great songs any more like he used to.
it's such a weak lame execuse to say prince did it all so he doesn't have to focus on making hits. BULL$HIT!!!
i'm his fan. no doubt. but i dont sucking up to every album the way you do.
if i think it's a crappy album, i'll say it's a crappy album since i paid for his crappy product. as you said he's legacy is secured. however he's making crappy albums and trying to sell a crappy album using his legacy.

with his disappointing album, prince does a massive number of promotions as much as anyone(actually more since more people want him on their shows) but his album is SHORT LIVED since his songs are not catching people's attention. so you say prince is not concerned with making hits but he does all these promotions, including american idol and sang his two new songs?
but in the end, no one cared about his new songs despite his best efforts.
do you understand that?

prince is still selling out using his old himself rather his new self.
how many times is he going to sing "go, go,go" to promote his new album?
Rolling stone still sell out, so what?
group such as u2 put out a great album and people love it.
so my point is prince has become sort of like rolling stone who is not known for their newer album(which have bombed), known for their classic albums.
do you still get it??

ratt said:

May God bless you, homie.

Oh... love your grammar.

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Graycap23 said:

my friend, i see your point, but i respectfully disagree with your assessment about half-ass effort part.
i think prince has tried very hard to promote his new singles.
prince appeared on moring show,snl,brit award,and appeared on american idol in front of over 125mil viewers(fill me in if i'm missing more).
he seized all the BEST opportunities to promote.
but in the end it didn't catch anyone's attention.that's my main point.
if you have a truly great song,people will tune in and will be a hit.
but it didn't.

case in point. hardcore fans love "song of the heart", and i say only hardcore fans. so let's say hypothetically, aforementioned song, "song of the heart" was really written by justine timberlake, would they still say it's a great song??

these nut fans try to defend everything that is not so great.that's the point.

i'm disapointed in prince b/c he's incredibily gifted and is still capable of making some great music that many future generations will cherish. but he hasn't and still sing,"go go go" similar to little richard singing,"fruity tuity" to this day.

ratt said:

Uh, future generations? have you seen the charts lately, who is Prince to compete with? We have a big enough problem trying to get folks to appreciate real music now-a-days. At least Prince is still keeping music real.

what more do you want from a man with a 30 year legacy, who already has fans that span many generations. It's all a matter of opinion I guess. I happen to love 3121 CD, to me that was great music. None of the songs are forgettable unlike some of these CDs that dropped this past year. and before you accuse me of being a "nut fan" I still do not like Musicology at all, that's just me but I love the Rainbow Children, excellent musicianship and I was thrilled about the 3121 CD.
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ratt said:

Thing is, with all those promotions for 3121 he never played the current single at the time it was out, just album tracks. Part of the modern playing of the game is to shove the latest single down the audience's throat at every opportunity. Kudos to Prince for not doing that, but it certainly didn't help the promotion of the single or its chance of cracking the charts - to the point where you wonder why he even released a song and video. Without constant airplay the singles never stood a chance.

As for Song Of The Heart, personally I think it is a terribly weak song, whether by Prince or anyone else, and I'm amazed so many fans on here love it, but love it they do. I don't know about how the general public feel about the song, since yet again it has not been a properly promoted single, unless you've seen the film I doubt you've heard it outside of Prince circles. The Golden Globe and possible Oscar nomination have perhaps made it seem far more 'beloved' and popular than it actually is.

But personally I don't mind him re-playing old hits as they are so classic I don't get bored with them. He always uses them for the audience to have something familiar to get into and participate with - hence the 'go-go-go' part - he is simply trying to involve his wider audience and I don't see anything wrong in that - but you do a disservice to him if you make out that is all he ever does these days, he has performed a lot of original material in 2006 when given the chance, half the 3121 album in fact. A bit of the old and a bit of the new is the perfect balance if you ask me and shows a savvy artist who knows he will always be better known for the legacy he has created than the potential legacy still to come.

Why would anyone even be worried about whether Prince can make a hit or not he's a legend. That's enough.

Negritaluvyu said:

Not worried. It's a discussion point.

Desire2006 said:

Prince's last No.1 single The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, was 13yrs ago. But the fact is The Most Beautiful Girl In The World is the only No.1 single Prince has ever had in the UK. So Prince must not have been able to compete in the UK singles charts in the 1980's with classic UK hit singles like When The Doves Cry, Kiss and Alphabet Street because he never achieved a No.1 single in the UK at the peak of his creativity and popularity.

I don't think Prince really has anything to compete against in the singles chart. Some mainstream singles chart success comes down to promotion and radio airplay. I think Black Sweat would have been a big hit single in the UK if it received more promotion and radio airplay. It's a much better and sexier song than Justin Timberlake's sexless and unfunky Sexyback single, which reached No.1.

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peppeken said:

prince happy my ass. this is a typical excuse used for a loser.
p has done it all, so making hits dont mean jack, blah blah.
following your logic, i guess prince is making songs but he does not want them to be hits, eh?
you guys are pathetic. it's a same ol execuse again and again.

prince is trying new sound but no one cares. as a result it's not playing in the air. do you not get that? hit single indicates people like your music.
why is u2 so popular after all these years? they are making hits after hits and people love their new songs when released and they are smash hits.

[b]Excuse me[/b],but the last massive U2 hit in a lot of European countries was Stuck in a moment and in some Elevation!!!
That's a few years ago.
From the last album there were NO big hits,but the album did sell well;they did a tour so that always helps.Does that mean they can't compete anymore,because they had NO hits that year?No,the album did well.
And believe me,a lot of people that went 2 see U2 last year looove 2 hear
With or without you and all the other classics.

I admit;U2 had a very good album with All that you can't..,
it was the return of the old U2 but it sounded fresh and new!
I think that every older artist dreams of making such an album,
and I think 3121 was almost His All that you can't-album.
4 an older artist,without hits,I don't think 3121 was a flop in Europe.
It reached number 1 and in the 2006 list of albums in my country it's number 75.
Nelly Furtado is at nr69,Jt at 37..and these are 2 days HOT artists!!!
I wonder if they will be in the list in 20 years time
[Edited 1/22/07 14:59pm]
[Edited 1/22/07 15:00pm]

Paisley4u said:

Ermm, the last U2 album of original material was 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb' released at the end of 2004 which had a few hits but massive all over the place including Europe was the hit single Vertigo. Actually that was only 1 year 3 months ago. You seem to have conveniently forgot this song. All That You Can't Leave Behind was way back in 2000, with the massive hits Beautiful Day and Elevation, I'm not sure why you are trying to compare 3121 with that.

metalorange said:

Ok,Vertigo was a hit,but no so massive as the hits from All that you..

All that you can't.. is in my opinion an album that every older artist should take as an example of how someone can go back 2 their original sound and meanwhile don't sound old fashion!
I remember critics called it a comeback of the old U2(wich is true after the experiments of POP) but still it doesn't sound like they were recycling their old sound.
I guess MJ and even Prince would really like 2 make an album that really has their particular sound on it AND sound fresh and maybe new.
IMo 3121 is a step in that direction,it sounds very Prince,combined with the production of today.

Paisley4u said:

Well, I'd dispute Vertigo wasn't as massive. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rt_success shows it's top chart positions in several countries - number 1 in 8 charts. On the cumulative world charts shown at http://www.mediatraffic.de/ for the year 2004 Vertigo is at number 22 - and 35 the next year. The cumulative total in their system is 6,063,000 points. By comparison Beautiful Day got to number 23 with a total of 3,627,000 points. By those figures, it was far more successful than the biggest hit from 'All That You...' I think you'd be hard put to provide data it wasn't as massive a single at the least.

As for your comparison, what the critics said about 'All That You...' is almost exactly what they said about Musicology, a return to his original sound, a comeback, etc. Read some reviews of the time. The may have said the same thing about 3121 but Musicology beat them to it, I would argue 'All That You...' is far more comparitive with Musicology than 3121. Musicology was the first step in the right direction, according to many. 3121 was the 2nd step.

metalorange said:

If U got all those figures U must be right about Vertigo,I just didn't hear it that much.
True,I remember Musicology also got those critics about a return 2 the old sound.I just thought he did it better on 3121,at least in my country he was at nr 3 with this album and got more airplay.

Yes, artists who hit the #1 spot are clearly OVER.

PurpleKnight said:

Thank you! Prince is doing his new thing and these folks are trying to hold him back he's got his club and winning awards and singing at the Superbowl.Some people just can't move on!
[Edited 1/23/07 7:38am]

so why should he compete with sounds that sound like him.he dont need to.so many people are influenced by him right now u can still "hear" him all on the radio with it being him on the track(outkast,pharrell,timbaland,jt)

wlcm2thdwn said:

open up your mind and stop being a nut fan.
you probably like "arms of orion" and "song of the heart".
you probably think every prince's albums is great. good for you.
who said hold him back??

i criticized him for making a lousy album. is that too much for you to accept?
basically he had all the best opportunities to promote his newest album but in the end, his album was short lived and didn't cause any buzz.
why? because his album is WEAK.

if prince would have had smash hits, you nut fans would be all over that by saying "genious did it again" or "prince can put out hits anytime he wants to", blah blah. BUT when he performs lower than expected, you say "prince did it all so he doesnt care about hits. or "he's more interested in making quality music"
yeah right.. i guess prince does all these promos just to not have any hits.

you people just amaze me. it's people like you who is sucking up to every lousy album and say it's a great album to prince.

i'll say again to all the nut fans. prince's resurgence of popularity is due to singing "purple rain" and "go go go".
in other words, he's resurgence of popularity is NOT due to singing new tracks and new album.
you get it? his new sounds aren't catching anyone's attention. if it did, you'll be bragging that shit for next 20 yrs.

in speaking of superbowl, NSYNC, brtiney spears, nelly, justine 'your boy' timberlake have all performed at superbowl that's all i'm going to say about superbowl halftime show.

and ill say, WHO CARES ?

NouveauDance said:

Here is the answer ratt^
Include Bruce Springsteen and Bowie.(and I still like those 2)

vainandy said:

go back to the 80's ....a whole lot of bullshit was on the radio also...just go back and listen....it was awful!!!!

and i wanna add 2 all these replies and they r very good 1's

what artist really nowadays has lasted longer than prince ON TOP as u like 2 call it.
every artist faces there demise commercially. so wat he's not ON TOP in the charts 2 even b in the charts 2 me is an honour.