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Thread started 01/13/07 12:13am

areta15

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Can prince really act?? or am I just in love..

Im sure this has been discused a million times already .. but iwas watching purple rain the other day.. and i cant work out if he can actually act or whether im just so into him that everything he does seems amazing?? i can tell when the others are shit at acting in the film.. but prince seems to do a good job.. same in UTCM.... i think hes really fuckin' good!! what do other peoplethink?
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Reply #1 posted 01/13/07 2:01am

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But isn't Prince just playing himself in the movie...well the moody, introspective side..not the Morris Day side.. cool
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Reply #2 posted 01/13/07 2:18am

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areta15 said:

Im sure this has been discused a million times already .. but iwas watching purple rain the other day.. and i cant work out if he can actually act or whether im just so into him that everything he does seems amazing?? i can tell when the others are shit at acting in the film.. but prince seems to do a good job.. same in UTCM.... i think hes really fuckin' good!! what do other peoplethink?


This is your biggest hurdle.

If Prince were an actor, he'd be an actor.

To me, simply Prince.

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Reply #3 posted 01/13/07 6:08am

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Speaking as a trained actor ::coughcough::, he did a pretty fair job in Purple Rain. He has some really nice moments -- things a casual viewer wouldn't pick up on, but another actor would. In particular, he was able to tap into a lot of emotion and have it ring true. That isn't an easy thing to do -- and he was pretty fearless about it.

His few awkward moments were script problems (in my opinion), not acting problems. (If you've read the draft of the "Dreams" script floating around on the net, you know what I mean. What a stinker!) lol
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Reply #4 posted 01/13/07 6:51am

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you're just in love.


prince and acting is just about as bad as prince and larry graham.
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Reply #5 posted 01/13/07 6:57am

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I think he was just acting like himself, now if he ever played someone else we'd know for sure.
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Reply #6 posted 01/13/07 7:11am

Genesia

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wlcm2thdwn said:

I think he was just acting like himself, now if he ever played someone else we'd know for sure.


Actually, he wasn't playing himself. Purple Rain was not an autobiography.

BUT... playing oneself would be the most difficult role for any actor.

I'm speaking now from a Method perspective, which is my background. "Playing someone else" is easier because you are only obligated to expose the bits of your own personality that have experienced what the character has. If you play yourself, you -- as an actor -- have an obligation to lay yourself completely bare in the interest of making it "real, logical and coherent."

That is every actor's nightmare -- especially for someone with as secretive a nature as Prince.
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Reply #7 posted 01/13/07 7:19am

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I thought he did good smashing all those preserves and pickles (what were they?) down in the basement in Purple Rain.
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Reply #8 posted 01/13/07 7:25am

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ufoclub said:

I thought he did good smashing all those preserves and pickles (what were they?) down in the basement in Purple Rain.


You're probably poking fun...but that entire basement scene was good. People don't realize how difficult it is to let go completely. You think it'd be a snap -- and a lot of fun -- but it isn't, really.
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Reply #9 posted 01/13/07 7:33am

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Genesia said:

ufoclub said:

I thought he did good smashing all those preserves and pickles (what were they?) down in the basement in Purple Rain.


You're probably poking fun...but that entire basement scene was good. People don't realize how difficult it is to let go completely. You think it'd be a snap -- and a lot of fun -- but it isn't, really.


I was trying to be funny, but I really do think he did well in the upset scenes in Purple Rain. One of the reasons the movie works so well.

But what's in the jars?
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Reply #10 posted 01/13/07 7:37am

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wlcm2thdwn said:

I think he was just acting like himself, now if he ever played someone else we'd know for sure.



I agree with that, and it's ok with me.
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Reply #11 posted 01/13/07 7:52am

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Genesia said:

ufoclub said:

I thought he did good smashing all those preserves and pickles (what were they?) down in the basement in Purple Rain.


You're probably poking fun...but that entire basement scene was good. People don't realize how difficult it is to let go completely. You think it'd be a snap -- and a lot of fun -- but it isn't, really.



while i respect your obvious intimate knowledge of "the craft" i just can't get over your appreciation for prince's acting skills cause the guy is horrible at acting. not for one second did i believe he was portraying a character...not once was a sold...well, except for when he was performing on stage.


lol
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Reply #12 posted 01/13/07 7:54am

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ufoclub said:

Genesia said:



You're probably poking fun...but that entire basement scene was good. People don't realize how difficult it is to let go completely. You think it'd be a snap -- and a lot of fun -- but it isn't, really.


I was trying to be funny, but I really do think he did well in the upset scenes in Purple Rain. One of the reasons the movie works so well.

But what's in the jars?


They were meant to look like preserves and pickles. But they were something easier to clean (and get out of Prince's hair) between takes. lol
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Reply #13 posted 01/13/07 7:56am

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sosgemini said:

Genesia said:



You're probably poking fun...but that entire basement scene was good. People don't realize how difficult it is to let go completely. You think it'd be a snap -- and a lot of fun -- but it isn't, really.



while i respect your obvious intimate knowledge of "the craft" i just can't get over your appreciation for prince's acting skills cause the guy is horrible at acting. not for one second did i believe he was portraying a character...not once was a sold...well, except for when he was performing on stage.


lol


Uneducated opinions are no less valid for that fact.
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Reply #14 posted 01/13/07 8:04am

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Genesia said:

sosgemini said:




while i respect your obvious intimate knowledge of "the craft" i just can't get over your appreciation for prince's acting skills cause the guy is horrible at acting. not for one second did i believe he was portraying a character...not once was a sold...well, except for when he was performing on stage.


lol


Uneducated opinions are no less valid for that fact.



oh, so your claiming im uneducated ehh? falloff

lol

well, if your view on prince's acting ability is any indication maybe you should give up acting and just go straight to working at mcdonalds.
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Reply #15 posted 01/13/07 8:07am

Genesia

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sosgemini said:

Genesia said:



Uneducated opinions are no less valid for that fact.



oh, so your claiming im uneducated ehh? falloff

lol

well, if your view on prince's acting ability is any indication maybe you should give up acting and just go straight to working at mcdonalds.


When I said "uneducated," I meant only in terms of acting.

But thank you for your thoughtful suggestion.
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Reply #16 posted 01/13/07 8:12am

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here's what new york times had to say about prince's acting in purple rain:


Here is a narrative film with music, shot and edited in the jazzily manic, staccato style favored by every rock documentary since ''Woodstock,'' at the center of which there is the small, slight, somewhat nervous figure of Prince himself. When performing onstage, as he is in much of the film, whether photographed frontally, in profile or silhouetted against a manmade aurora borealis, he can be a riveting spectacle. Off the stage, his screen presence is a pale reflection of the dynamic recording personality.

With his mass of carefully tended, black curly locks and his large, dark doe eyes, he looks, in repose, like a poster of Liza Minnelli on which someone has lightly smudged a mustache. When astride his large motorcycle, as he is from time to time, the image suggests one of Jim Henson's special effects from a Muppets movie: Kermit the Frog on a Harley- Davidson. In the depths of depression, pacing back and forth in his dressing room, he expresses all the pent-up rage of a caged mouse.
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Reply #17 posted 01/13/07 8:16am

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sf chronicle:

Prince is no actor -- he tends to mumble. But he can kiss a beautiful woman onscreen without looking like a geek, and not every guy can do that. The real film talent here, though, is Morris Day, who plays the Kid's funkster rival on the Minneapolis club scene.
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Reply #18 posted 01/13/07 8:19am

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You seem to have a massive personal stake in proving you're right. So, fine -- have it your way.

You didn't include the name of the reviewer with that NYT bit. But surely you know that the mere fact that someone gets a review published doesn't make their opinion more valid than anyone else's. It just means they're good enough with words to get a writing job.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that what you quoted isn't so much about Prince's acting as what he looks like? "Kermit the Frog on a Harley-Davidson"? "Caged mouse"? Liza Minnelli with a drawn-on mustache? That's not a review of his acting -- it's an ad hominem attack on his appearance.

Nice try, though! lol
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Reply #19 posted 01/13/07 8:21am

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sosgemini said:

sf chronicle:

Prince is no actor -- he tends to mumble.


They said that about Orson Welles, Rod Steiger and Marlon Brando, too.
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Reply #20 posted 01/13/07 8:26am

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Genesia said:

You seem to have a massive personal stake in proving you're right. So, fine -- have it your way.

You didn't include the name of the reviewer with that NYT bit. But surely you know that the mere fact that someone gets a review published doesn't make their opinion more valid than anyone else's. It just means they're good enough with words to get a writing job.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that what you quoted isn't so much about Prince's acting as what he looks like? "Kermit the Frog on a Harley-Davidson"? "Caged mouse"? Liza Minnelli with a drawn-on mustache? That's not a review of his acting -- it's an ad hominem attack on his appearance.

Nice try, though! lol


Vincent Candby wrote that review...when the film first came out...not only that but its a positive review.

heres the link to it:

http://movies2.nytimes.co...20Tomatoes

and yes, i am trying to prove a point...over the past 20 years the world has pretty much been in agreement that prince is not a good actor. then you come along trying to articulate a "studied" thesis as to why everybody was wrong?

lol

come on now, im sorry but i just can't take your statements credibly.

(btw: the sf chronicle was also a positive review of purple rain...so those critics were not trying to tear prince down...im both cases they complimented the stage performances.)
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Reply #21 posted 01/13/07 8:27am

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Genesia said:

sosgemini said:

sf chronicle:



They said that about Orson Welles, Rod Steiger and Marlon Brando, too.



eek

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Reply #22 posted 01/13/07 8:31am

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Genesia said:

You seem to have a massive personal stake in proving you're right. So, fine -- have it your way.

You didn't include the name of the reviewer with that NYT bit. But surely you know that the mere fact that someone gets a review published doesn't make their opinion more valid than anyone else's. It just means they're good enough with words to get a writing job.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that what you quoted isn't so much about Prince's acting as what he looks like? "Kermit the Frog on a Harley-Davidson"? "Caged mouse"? Liza Minnelli with a drawn-on mustache? That's not a review of his acting -- it's an ad hominem attack on his appearance.

Nice try, though! lol



I thought the same thing. where is the diss on Prince's acting skills? whatever rolleyes

I wouldn't call Prince's acting skills great, but c'mon, he and the other characters in the movie did a pretty decent job and they all fit right into the mood and direction of the movie. Purple Rain was a pretty good movie, it was cut very well, it was one of a kind at the time, I personally have never seen anything like it, and there's a reason why it just blew up and captured so many people.
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Reply #23 posted 01/13/07 8:42am

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wonder505 said:

Genesia said:

You seem to have a massive personal stake in proving you're right. So, fine -- have it your way.

You didn't include the name of the reviewer with that NYT bit. But surely you know that the mere fact that someone gets a review published doesn't make their opinion more valid than anyone else's. It just means they're good enough with words to get a writing job.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that what you quoted isn't so much about Prince's acting as what he looks like? "Kermit the Frog on a Harley-Davidson"? "Caged mouse"? Liza Minnelli with a drawn-on mustache? That's not a review of his acting -- it's an ad hominem attack on his appearance.

Nice try, though! lol



I thought the same thing. where is the diss on Prince's acting skills? whatever rolleyes

I wouldn't call Prince's acting skills great, but c'mon, he and the other characters in the movie did a pretty decent job and they all fit right into the mood and direction of the movie. Purple Rain was a pretty good movie, it was cut very well, it was one of a kind at the time, I personally have never seen anything like it, and there's a reason why it just blew up and captured so many people.


actually, genesia forgot to add the critique (i wouldn't call it a diss though):

In the depths of depression, pacing back and forth in his dressing room, he expresses all the pent-up rage of a caged mouse.



note the use of the word "expresses".
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Reply #24 posted 01/13/07 8:49am

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doesn't he have like two lines of dialogue?
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Reply #25 posted 01/13/07 8:55am

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Staring bug eyed at the camera, barely saying a word is not exactly acting. He was wise to give up making movies.
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Reply #26 posted 01/13/07 8:57am

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as a train actor who now owns a smoked BBQ business I have to say his anger was incredible... I watched the first strike on the preserves and thought, if you watch his head and the slight jump on the foot for the next hit he obvious did not want to get so messy but then a FLOOD of anger runs its course.
he hit appolonia the first time with incredble ease and viciousness. His sadness is incredible.
but also the tone or beat of his scenes where so sullen.. did a lot with just his face. Nora Desmond would be proud.

Under the cherry moon.. once again some good scenes different personality, possibly being himself (more on that later) which of course all comes to a crash when he dies at the end...
on being one's self... i have often commented that Dinero has made a carrer of being himself. they used to call those character actors. with the exception of a few times in king of comedy (love it) and awakenings (love it) when he was not RD.
nicholson has the same type of consideration.
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Reply #27 posted 01/13/07 8:59am

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Barbefunkoramaque said:

as a train actor who now owns a smoked BBQ business


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Reply #28 posted 01/13/07 10:23am

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Just think about this, U'all


* GLITTER *
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Prince is an okay actor.
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Reply #29 posted 01/13/07 10:26am

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areta15 said:

Im sure this has been discused a million times already .. but iwas watching purple rain the other day.. and i cant work out if he can actually act or whether im just so into him that everything he does seems amazing?? i can tell when the others are shit at acting in the film.. but prince seems to do a good job.. same in UTCM.... i think hes really fuckin' good!! what do other peoplethink?
I agree with u-thought he did a fantastic job in all of his films.Being in love with him helps 2! wink
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