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Prince,...will he or will he not..... Will 3121 really win Best R&B album of the Year?? Lookin at wut it's up against, wut do my fellow orgers think??? it dont mean Ure wrecked jus cause me tallywackin sucking is all U want. all it means is that the one that come b4 me never made U come. | |
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I wouldn't count on it winning but hell I didn't think it'd be nominated...so it could happen! | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: I wouldn't count on it winning but hell I didn't think it'd be nominated...so it could happen!
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I'd b thrilled 2 c him win!! | |
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Jaarod86 said: Will 3121 really win Best R&B album of the Year?? Lookin at wut it's up against, wut do my fellow orgers think???
If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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MickG said: Jaarod86 said: Will 3121 really win Best R&B album of the Year?? Lookin at wut it's up against, wut do my fellow orgers think???
If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO  | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO If that's what helps you sleep at night, no need for me to pop your mental illusions. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO Daaaamn rii. I agree wit U 150%. Even if it doesnt win (which i doubt he will) he's a winner in my heart because of EVERYTHING u jus said Wonder505.  [Edited 12/14/06 13:25pm] it dont mean Ure wrecked jus cause me tallywackin sucking is all U want. all it means is that the one that come b4 me never made U come. | |
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MickG said: wonder505 said: 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO If that's what helps you sleep at night, no need for me to pop your mental illusions. LOL! Okay Mick, so while you think my appreciation of 3121 is helping me sleep at night, I hope, that by you wishing Prince lose, will help you sleep at night as well, and satisfy your OBVIOUS insecurities and jealousy over this 5'2 lil man. | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If that's what helps you sleep at night, no need for me to pop your mental illusions. LOL! Okay Mick, so while you think my appreciation of 3121 is helping me sleep at night, I hope, that by you wishing Prince lose, will help you sleep at night as well, and satisfy your OBVIOUS insecurities and jealousy over this 5'2 lil man. cosign it dont mean Ure wrecked jus cause me tallywackin sucking is all U want. all it means is that the one that come b4 me never made U come. | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If that's what helps you sleep at night, no need for me to pop your mental illusions. LOL! Okay Mick, so while you think my appreciation of 3121 is helping me sleep at night, I hope, that by you wishing Prince lose, will help you sleep at night as well, and satisfy your OBVIOUS insecurities and jealousy over this 5'2 lil man. 
Mick just needs a hug | |
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wonder505 said: that by you wishing Prince lose
Has nothing to do with wishing. I wish he would win. I'm stating as a fact. He will not be winning. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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MickG said: wonder505 said: that by you wishing Prince lose
Has nothing to do with wishing. I wish he would win.- YEAH...RIGHT I'm stating as a fact. He will not be winning. how could it be a fact when it has not occurred. what you're stating is a guess/wish, and if he does lose then it become a fact. [Edited 12/14/06 14:28pm] | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: Has nothing to do with wishing. I wish he would win.- YEAH...RIGHT I'm stating as a fact. He will not be winning. how could it be a fact when it has not occurred. what you're stating is a guess/wish, and if he does lose then it become a fact. Thus the desire to bet on the issue. What hasn't yet occurred has already occurred. Life is like a movie. When you watch the movie for the first time, you don't see things as occurring yet, but in fact they have. Those that edited the movie have already seen the movie. Those that have seen the movie before you have seen the movie too. Thus you would be a fool to bet with them. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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Song per song, it's a VERY strong CD.
I haven't heard the other nominees' CD's, but I'd bet strongly that the same can't be said. Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO Okay, now let me chime in here real quick. I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but I've read that that certification of a record being gold is determined more on distribution numbers rather than actual sales numbers. Even then, that's impressive on the notion that there is high anticipation for 3121 to do well. But I don't believe that a huge number are sold to make a certification of gold on any cd. Now, as for the grammy nominations, again, it's very much a popularity thang. whatever is popular in the grammy organizations eyes are the real deal for the moment. If anything, this accounts for how relevant Prince (not necessarily 3121) but Prince is at the moment. On that level, then yes, I say "Horray!" good going for the guy, as he had very limited airplay of his newest cd and little promotion (not NO promotion as you stated). Again, this shows how relevant, in at least the Grammy's eyes, Prince still is. Goody for him. Do I think he'll win. Well, that's a long shot, but it's still plausible. 3121 is just not that good in my opinion, but is okay as far as recent albums go. Again, it's my opinion. At least he's recognized, but I don't think he'll win. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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Revolution said: Song per song, it's a VERY strong CD.
I haven't heard the other nominees' CD's, but I'd bet strongly that the same can't be said. Regardless, he still won't win.  love is god, god is love, girls and boys love god above | |
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What you have to realize is that Grammys are technically awarded based on MERIT. It technically doesn't matter if an album sold 250,000 or 5 million copies. Having said that, high sales are usually an indicator of what's CONSIDERED good. So, who knows.
I'm sure Justin Timberlake will win Album of the Year . . . he plays nice with the media and basically will make an appearance at anything (award show, birthday, bar mitzvah) if you invite him. | |
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1nonly said: wonder505 said: 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO Okay, now let me chime in here real quick. I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but I've read that that certification of a record being gold is determined more on distribution numbers rather than actual sales numbers. Even then, that's impressive on the notion that there is high anticipation for 3121 to do well. But I don't believe that a huge number are sold to make a certification of gold on any cd. Now, as for the grammy nominations, again, it's very much a popularity thang. whatever is popular in the grammy organizations eyes are the real deal for the moment. If anything, this accounts for how relevant Prince (not necessarily 3121) but Prince is at the moment. On that level, then yes, I say "Horray!" good going for the guy, as he had very limited airplay of his newest cd and little promotion (not NO promotion as you stated). Again, this shows how relevant, in at least the Grammy's eyes, Prince still is. Goody for him. Do I think he'll win. Well, that's a long shot, but it's still plausible. 3121 is just not that good in my opinion, but is okay as far as recent albums go. Again, it's my opinion. At least he's recognized, but I don't think he'll win. Interesting post. I don't really know what's relevant anymore. I could only judge on a personal level. I love the 3121 CD, yet I did not like Musicology. I'm happy he got the grammy nomination, yet I also don't think it matters. I still have a bone to pick with the Grammys after they robbed India Arie badly. | |
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wonder505 said: 1nonly said: Okay, now let me chime in here real quick. I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but I've read that that certification of a record being gold is determined more on distribution numbers rather than actual sales numbers. Even then, that's impressive on the notion that there is high anticipation for 3121 to do well. But I don't believe that a huge number are sold to make a certification of gold on any cd. Now, as for the grammy nominations, again, it's very much a popularity thang. whatever is popular in the grammy organizations eyes are the real deal for the moment. If anything, this accounts for how relevant Prince (not necessarily 3121) but Prince is at the moment. On that level, then yes, I say "Horray!" good going for the guy, as he had very limited airplay of his newest cd and little promotion (not NO promotion as you stated). Again, this shows how relevant, in at least the Grammy's eyes, Prince still is. Goody for him. Do I think he'll win. Well, that's a long shot, but it's still plausible. 3121 is just not that good in my opinion, but is okay as far as recent albums go. Again, it's my opinion. At least he's recognized, but I don't think he'll win. Interesting post. I don't really know what's relevant anymore. I could only judge on a personal level. I love the 3121 CD, yet I did not like Musicology. I'm happy he got the grammy nomination, yet I also don't think it matters. I still have a bone to pick with the Grammys after they robbed India Arie badly. Touche, i agree whole-heartedly. And you know what, I have to confess that as I typed that post, I originally was gonna blast all on what you originally wrote (the reason for my first post), but midway I had a change of mind and remained neutral. Better I think, as we seem to be on the same page. Plus it would have been stupid for me to blast an opinion. Opinions are still free. Anyway. yeah, I respect that he's being recognized, but if he wins I can only hope that it allows for new folks to bandwagon and potentially learn a thing or two about good musicianship. Hey, stranger things have happened. [Edited 12/14/06 15:24pm] Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day | |
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Doesn't matter a hill of beans whether he wins or not, but I do like to see my favourite pop star get the reverence he deserves from time to time! Interestingly, there are 108 Grammies handed out, not all are shown on the TV show obviously!
Here are the categories, who will be the winner in each category do you think? Must confess I haven't heard most of the track mentioned so it makes it hard to guess, but I think Prince will win at least one category: Best Male R&B Vocal Performance (For a solo vocal performance. Singles or Tracks only.) Heaven John Legend Track from: Once Again [Columbia/GOOD/Sony Urban Music] So Sick Ne-Yo Track from: In My Own Words [Def Jam Recordings] Black Sweat Prince Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] I Call It Love Lionel Richie Track from: Coming Home [Island Def Jam Recordings] Got You Home Luther Vandross [J Records/Epic/Legacy Recordings] Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals (For duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.) Breezin' George Benson & Al Jarreau Track from: Givin' It Up [Concord Records/Monster Music] Love Changes Jamie Foxx Featuring Mary J. Blige Track from: Unpredictable [J Records] Everyday (Family Reunion) Chaka Khan, Gerald Levert, Yolanda Adams & Carl Thomas Track from: Madea's Family Reunion — Music From The Motion Picture [Motown Records] Family Affair (Sly & The Family Stone), John Legend, Joss Stone With Van Hunt Track from: Different Strokes By Different Folks [Epic/Legacy Recordings] Beautiful, Loved And Blessed Prince & Támar Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] Best Urban/Alternative Performance (For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.) Crazy Gnarls Barkley Track from: St. Elsewhere [Downtown/Atlantic] That Heat Segio Mendes Featuring Erykah Badu & Will.i.am Track from: Timeless [Concord Records/Hear Music] Mas Que Nada Sergio Mendes Featuring The Black Eyed Peas Track from: Timeless [Concord Records/Hear Music/Will.i.am music] Idlewild Blue (Don't Chu Worry 'Bout Me) Outkast Track from: Idlewild [La Face Records/Zomba Label Group] 3121 Prince Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] Best R&B Song (A Songwriter(s) Award. For Song Eligibility Guidelines see Category #3. (Artist names appear in parenthesis.) Singles or Tracks only.) Be Without You Johnta Austin, Mary J. Blige, Bryan-Michael Cox & Jason Perry, songwriters (Mary J. Blige) Track from: The Breakthrough [Geffen Records; Publishers: Chrysalis Music, Mary J. Blige Music, Naked Under My Clothes Music, Universal Music Corp., Babyboy's Little Publishing, Jason's Lyrics, Noontime South, Reach Global Tunes, WB Music.] Black Sweat Prince, songwriter (Prince) Track from: 3121 [Universal Records; Publisher: Controversy Music.] Deja Vu Shawn Carter, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins, Beyoncé Knowles, Makeba Riddick, Keli Nicole Price & Delisha Thomas, songwriters (Beyoncé Featuring Jay-Z) [Sony Urban Music/Columbia; Publishers: Beyoncé Publishing, EMI Blackwood Music, 23000 Music Publishing, Makeba Yoga Flames Music/Janice Combs Publishing/EMI Blackwood, Price Tag, EMI April Music/Carter Boys Publishing.] Don't Forget About Us Johnta Austin, Mariah Carey, Bryan-Michael Cox & Jermaine Dupri, songwriters (Mariah Carey) Track from: The Emancipation Of Mimi (Ultra Platinum Edition) [Island Records; Publishers: Rye Songs, Shaniah Cymone Music, EMI April Music, Babyboy's Little Publishing Company, Noontime South, Naked Under My Clothes, Chrysalis Music.] I Am Not My Hair Drew Ramsey, Shannon Sanders & India Arie Simpson, songwriters (India.Arie) Track from: Testimony: Vol. 1, Life & Relationship [Motown Records; Publishers: Gold & Iron Music, Wang Out Music Sony, Combustion Windswept, Noka International/Famous Music.] Best R&B Album (For albums containing 51% or more playing time of VOCAL tracks.) The Breakthrough Mary J. Blige [Geffen Records] Unpredictable Jamie Foxx [J Records] Testimony: Vol. 1, Life & Relationship India.Arie [Motown Records] 3121 Prince [Universal Republic] Coming Home Lionel Richie [Island Def Jam Recordings] | |
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If anything, I think his best bet of winning would be in the 'best urban/alternative performance' category.
To be honest, I ain't too fussed if he don't win a thing...just nice to see the man get a little recognition every now and again. [Edited 12/14/06 15:45pm] love is god, god is love, girls and boys love god above | |
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r1ghteousone said: If anything, I think his best bet of winning would be in the 'best urban/alternative performance' category.
To be honest, I ain't too fussed if he don't win a thing...just nice to see the man get a little recognition every now and again. [Edited 12/14/06 15:45pm] I don't think so, with Gnarls Barkley's 'Crazy' in the same category! I think he really is strongest in the best R&B album out of all of those actually... | |
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I'll add some positivity, and say that Prince will win. | |
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1nonly said: wonder505 said: 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO Now, as for the grammy nominations, again, it's very much a popularity thang. whatever is popular in the grammy organizations eyes are the real deal for the moment. Okay I understand and agree with much of what U've said (and i GREATLY respect ur opinion) but I have to disagree with U when u say the grammys is very much a popularity contest. Example being the fact that there are many artists who are nominated who aren't as popular as other artists. Plus there are some artists who have sold more ablums (partially because they are more popular) than the ones who are nominated for a grammy. Another example: Look at Lupe Fiasco's album. Where I'm from he's not popular at all, yet his album is nominated for best Rap Album of the year. I hadnt even heard of the guy til a few weeks ago. Look at the Dixie Chicks. They really ruined their reputation and popularity yet they are nominated for a few grammys as well. So I'm gonna have to say that I dont think its very much a popularity contest. Jus my opinion tho. it dont mean Ure wrecked jus cause me tallywackin sucking is all U want. all it means is that the one that come b4 me never made U come. | |
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metalorange said: Doesn't matter a hill of beans whether he wins or not, but I do like to see my favourite pop star get the reverence he deserves from time to time! Interestingly, there are 108 Grammies handed out, not all are shown on the TV show obviously!
Here are the categories, who will be the winner in each category do you think? Must confess I haven't heard most of the track mentioned so it makes it hard to guess, but I think Prince will win at least one category: Best Male R&B Vocal Performance (For a solo vocal performance. Singles or Tracks only.) Heaven John Legend Track from: Once Again [Columbia/GOOD/Sony Urban Music] So Sick Ne-Yo Track from: In My Own Words [Def Jam Recordings] Black Sweat Prince Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] I Call It Love Lionel Richie Track from: Coming Home [Island Def Jam Recordings] Got You Home Luther Vandross [J Records/Epic/Legacy Recordings] Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals (For duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.) Breezin' George Benson & Al Jarreau Track from: Givin' It Up [Concord Records/Monster Music] Love Changes Jamie Foxx Featuring Mary J. Blige Track from: Unpredictable [J Records] Everyday (Family Reunion) Chaka Khan, Gerald Levert, Yolanda Adams & Carl Thomas Track from: Madea's Family Reunion — Music From The Motion Picture [Motown Records] Family Affair (Sly & The Family Stone), John Legend, Joss Stone With Van Hunt Track from: Different Strokes By Different Folks [Epic/Legacy Recordings] Beautiful, Loved And Blessed Prince & Támar Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] Best Urban/Alternative Performance (For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.) Crazy Gnarls Barkley Track from: St. Elsewhere [Downtown/Atlantic] That Heat Segio Mendes Featuring Erykah Badu & Will.i.am Track from: Timeless [Concord Records/Hear Music] Mas Que Nada Sergio Mendes Featuring The Black Eyed Peas Track from: Timeless [Concord Records/Hear Music/Will.i.am music] Idlewild Blue (Don't Chu Worry 'Bout Me) Outkast Track from: Idlewild [La Face Records/Zomba Label Group] 3121 Prince Track from: 3121 [Universal Records] Best R&B Song (A Songwriter(s) Award. For Song Eligibility Guidelines see Category #3. (Artist names appear in parenthesis.) Singles or Tracks only.) Be Without You Johnta Austin, Mary J. Blige, Bryan-Michael Cox & Jason Perry, songwriters (Mary J. Blige) Track from: The Breakthrough [Geffen Records; Publishers: Chrysalis Music, Mary J. Blige Music, Naked Under My Clothes Music, Universal Music Corp., Babyboy's Little Publishing, Jason's Lyrics, Noontime South, Reach Global Tunes, WB Music.] Black Sweat Prince, songwriter (Prince) Track from: 3121 [Universal Records; Publisher: Controversy Music.] Deja Vu Shawn Carter, Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins, Beyoncé Knowles, Makeba Riddick, Keli Nicole Price & Delisha Thomas, songwriters (Beyoncé Featuring Jay-Z) [Sony Urban Music/Columbia; Publishers: Beyoncé Publishing, EMI Blackwood Music, 23000 Music Publishing, Makeba Yoga Flames Music/Janice Combs Publishing/EMI Blackwood, Price Tag, EMI April Music/Carter Boys Publishing.] Don't Forget About Us Johnta Austin, Mariah Carey, Bryan-Michael Cox & Jermaine Dupri, songwriters (Mariah Carey) Track from: The Emancipation Of Mimi (Ultra Platinum Edition) [Island Records; Publishers: Rye Songs, Shaniah Cymone Music, EMI April Music, Babyboy's Little Publishing Company, Noontime South, Naked Under My Clothes, Chrysalis Music.] I Am Not My Hair Drew Ramsey, Shannon Sanders & India Arie Simpson, songwriters (India.Arie) Track from: Testimony: Vol. 1, Life & Relationship [Motown Records; Publishers: Gold & Iron Music, Wang Out Music Sony, Combustion Windswept, Noka International/Famous Music.] Best R&B Album (For albums containing 51% or more playing time of VOCAL tracks.) The Breakthrough Mary J. Blige [Geffen Records] Unpredictable Jamie Foxx [J Records] Testimony: Vol. 1, Life & Relationship India.Arie [Motown Records] 3121 Prince [Universal Republic] Coming Home Lionel Richie [Island Def Jam Recordings] 1. Lost 2. Win 3. Lost 4. Lost 5. Lost Those R my predictions. it dont mean Ure wrecked jus cause me tallywackin sucking is all U want. all it means is that the one that come b4 me never made U come. | |
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I don't know why so many of you are so negative. If anything you haven't learned from the grammys is that they're unpredictable. Anything's possible. So Prince has a very good chance of winning best R&B album. He's on most critics list as one of the best albums of the year. Besides, would you actually bet against him. Take in case 1984 for example, not only was Purple Rain #1 on the charts for damn near a whole year and sold more copies than most of its competitors that year, it was the obvious choice for album of the year. No! Instead, Lionel Richie won. Case #2, when "Call My Name" was nominated for best R&B vocal male performance, it wasn't a sure fire winner especially going up against Usher that year. But he won. That just proves to show you anything is possible. So like I said, don't bet against him on this one. He will take home at least 1 award. Peace and be wild. Peace and be wild! | |
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wonder505 said: MickG said: If anyone is willing, I'll take bets against 3121. 3121 will not win. If you want to give me your money because you have a pipe-dream it might, I'll take your money. 3121 is still a winner regardless of an actual win. No radio play, no promotions, yet managed to become gold certified and gain five grammy nominations. JMHO No promotions? He was on the most wached show of the year so far promoting it along with Saturday Night live and a re-run of that show. He reached more people with Idol then he would have with 5 talk show appearances. | |
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lovemachine said: He reached more people with Idol then he would have with 5 talk show appearances.
He hasn't reached people in a long time. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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MickG said: lovemachine said: He reached more people with Idol then he would have with 5 talk show appearances.
He hasn't reached people in a long time. Yeah...the last time he reached people was when he had the no. 1 tour in the country in 2004...(WTF???lol)You know there's plenty of shit to get on Prince about...He treats the fansites like shit (Just not a smart move...suing fans??? The man is certainly out of touch on this one...); He doesn't see the big picture when it comes to his past recordings (He should have followed David Bowie's lead and remastered his catlogue already...)...And hey, if folks want to hit him on the American Idol appearance, I can respect that as well... But let's be real here...Most 48 to 50 year olds are not doing the high profile shit Prince has been doing and still getting respect from his peers and the music industry...There are not too many close-to-50-year-olds being named on alternative rock magazines (Spin Magazine)as one of the best live acts around today...Prince is not above criticism...But it's hard to co-sign your post because it's a bit misinformed... | |
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