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Printablegyro34 said: meow85 said:  For sure. It happens more often than people realize. Especially, like the song suggests, if the woman is in a position of authority over the man. (a 16 year old kid in the care of his 32 year old sister) Sexual abuse is not a far-fetched scenario.
Prince easily could've written a song promoting incest, and who knows? Maybe there's one locked away in his infamous Vault. But this one's definitely not it. But what I find most unsettling about Sister is not the subject matter, but the music. For such a dark theme, it's got such a happy, upbeat sound.  Yeah, the music is upbeat, but it is also fast paced. Could he be using some irony? If he experienced incest, it must be very difficult to let pain out too openly. Therefore, the need to hide it with irony. 
Could be. Hard to say though, knowing so little (compared to most other celebs, that is) about his life. I'm not suggesting we should have a right to know, especially about something that personal, but being so in the dark about Prince sure makes his lyrics hard to figure out sometimes. If Sister was meant to promote incest then it could easily be brushed off as the ramblings of an immature young man. A dumb joke, and nothing more. But since it isn't, and so much of the song bears similarity to his real life, it leaves the listener with a big fat question mark in the end. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: gyro34 said: Yeah, the music is upbeat, but it is also fast paced. Could he be using some irony? If he experienced incest, it must be very difficult to let pain out too openly. Therefore, the need to hide it with irony.
Could be. Hard to say though, knowing so little (compared to most other celebs, that is) about his life. I'm not suggesting we should have a right to know, especially about something that personal, but being so in the dark about Prince sure makes his lyrics hard to figure out sometimes. If Sister was meant to promote incest then it could easily be brushed off as the ramblings of an immature young man. A dumb joke, and nothing more. But since it isn't, and so much of the song bears similarity to his real life, it leaves the listener with a big fat question mark in the end. True. Prince can be mysterious, and he songs seem to lend themselves to different interpretations. It is interesting how we see the side of the wounded teenager while Lofton and other critics see the pervert. | |
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meow85 said: If Sister was meant to promote incest then it could easily be brushed off as the ramblings of an immature young man. A dumb joke, and nothing more. But since it isn't, and so much of the song bears similarity to his real life, it leaves the listener with a big fat question mark in the end. yeah it would seem that any literate person that listened to the song would know that prince wanted out of that situation. and really touches on something that is a huge problem for victims of child molestation ...and that is it often feels good to be touched or victimised. sex feels good and when it happens the victim feels like it is partly his/her fault. | |
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SlamGlam said: meow85 said: If Sister was meant to promote incest then it could easily be brushed off as the ramblings of an immature young man. A dumb joke, and nothing more. But since it isn't, and so much of the song bears similarity to his real life, it leaves the listener with a big fat question mark in the end. yeah it would seem that any literate person that listened to the song would know that prince wanted out of that situation. and really touches on something that is a huge problem for victims of child molestation ...and that is it often feels good to be touched or victimised. sex feels good and when it happens the victim feels like it is partly his/her fault. It's pretty clear the protagonist of the song isn't happy with the situation, but doesn't see a clear way out. "Don't put me on the street again" - if he didn't comply with Sister, he might've been left homeless. Minne gets fucking cold.
Everything I've read about survivors of sexual abuse says that one of the hardest things to overcome psychologically is that for some what had happened to them had felt good physically. A lot of people hold a lot of guilt over the fact that part of them thought it was pleasurable; like their bodies had betrayed them and played a part in hurting them as much as their abuser had. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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gyro34 said: meow85 said:
Could be. Hard to say though, knowing so little (compared to most other celebs, that is) about his life. I'm not suggesting we should have a right to know, especially about something that personal, but being so in the dark about Prince sure makes his lyrics hard to figure out sometimes. If Sister was meant to promote incest then it could easily be brushed off as the ramblings of an immature young man. A dumb joke, and nothing more. But since it isn't, and so much of the song bears similarity to his real life, it leaves the listener with a big fat question mark in the end. True. Prince can be mysterious, and he songs seem to lend themselves to different interpretations. It is interesting how we see the side of the wounded teenager while Lofton and other critics see the pervert. I suppose it depends what you came to the song looking for. As fans we've all guessed that Prince might have some bad wiring upstairs, so to speak, it's just the extent or cause we're not sure of. Also, given the way a lot of people tend to think of their Heroes in tragic terms, it's not surprising that we'd see the song from this sympathetic point of view. Lofton and ilk, on the other hand, were actively looking for a freak and a pervert to denounce and save the children from. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Some other things about the Zappa - Prince connection:
Frank Zappa once said in an interview in the late eighties that he considered Prince as a very good arranger. Different music critics have pointed at the phrase 'serve it up, Frankie, popping up on both the Black Album and Lovesexy possibly being a reference to Frank Zappa, judging to the sometimes Zappaesque intricateness of the arrangements on Lovesexy, this might be on spot. - Hey, could somebody could give me the source of this interview? I am a Zappa fan too and I have some friends who love zappa and diss Prince. Next time they diss Prince I could say ´ok, but Zappa praised him as a musician´ If somebody can add more of the Prince/Zappa connection, it will be cool. |
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If you're really interested in how insightful Frank Zappa was on a number of things...
...The Real Frank Zappa Book would be a good place to start. His "Statement To Congress" (along with other writings on the subject) are other interesting reads (and not just because he mentions Prince). 
"Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe." "A mind is like a parachute. It doesnt work if it's not open." "Most people wouldn't know good music if it came up and bit them in the ass." "Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read. " "If you want to get laid, go to college, but if you want an education, go to the library." ~Frank Zappa (A true Rock maverick.) tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Giovanni777 said: ufoclub said: yeah, but they're OLD! you gotta be patient and logical and strong if you wanna sway the old and be smarter than them. He WAS more intelligent, and it showed. very much so. while that lofton cat was shaking fingers, fidgeting in his chair and acting as if he was finna jump up like he was mr. get-bad, zappa was sitting there and telling it like it is. | |
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meow85 said: gyro34 said: True. Prince can be mysterious, and he songs seem to lend themselves to different interpretations. It is interesting how we see the side of the wounded teenager while Lofton and other critics see the pervert. I suppose it depends what you came to the song looking for. As fans we've all guessed that Prince might have some bad wiring upstairs, so to speak, it's just the extent or cause we're not sure of. Also, given the way a lot of people tend to think of their Heroes in tragic terms, it's not surprising that we'd see the song from this sympathetic point of view. Lofton and ilk, on the other hand, were actively looking for a freak and a pervert to denounce and save the children from. I agree. As a fan, the first time that I listened to this song, I got so angry that I wanted to bitch-slap  whoever the so called "sister" was. Prince as an adult has this really sweet and tender look in his eyes, but as a kid it was more pronounced. That woman must be a she-devil or something. | |
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