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Prince Inspired By Gilmour Guitar Solo?

I once read a review of the song 'Comfortably Numb' by Pink Floyd in which the reviewer(a music critic) of the song, although I dont believe that he ever stated that it was an actual fact, seemed to think that Prince's guitar solo on 'Purple Rain' was influenced by Gilmour's famous solo on 'CN'.

Can anyone hear the similarity and do you think it was possible that Prince tried to emulate Gilmour's guitar solo with his own solo on 'PR'.

Finally, since I have read opinions from so many people who feel that 'Comfortably Numb' is in the top 5 of the greatest guitar solos of all-time and that its quite possibly THE best solo EVER done in rock music, how would you rate this solo as compared to P's solo on 'Purple Rain'?
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Reply #1 posted 12/12/06 7:51am

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comfortably numb is good,but its overrated guitar solo.
purple rain solo is better,more focused
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Reply #2 posted 12/12/06 7:59am

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Good ears. I've always known that the solo to Purple Rain was influenced by Gilmour's solo. Take a listen to Journey's song "Faithfully" and the solo in it by Neal Schon. It's even more clear that Prince loved this solo.
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Reply #3 posted 12/12/06 8:18am

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thebanishedone said:

comfortably numb is good,but its overrated guitar solo.
purple rain solo is better,more focused


i disagree smile Comfortably Numb imo way better.

Ive always thought the guitar playing on The Sensual Everafter is Floydish smile
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Reply #4 posted 12/14/06 12:46am

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Good ears. I've always known that the solo to Purple Rain was influenced by Gilmour's solo. Take a listen to Journey's song "Faithfully" and the solo in it by Neal Schon. It's even more clear that Prince loved this solo.


Of coure that might not be surprising as Schon was once a member of Santana, so I suppose that its possible that P followed his progression on to Journey.

Do you know if Prince has commented on Schon as a guitar player?
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Reply #5 posted 12/14/06 5:24am

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David Gilmour has covered Purple Rain a few times in concert in the past as well.
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PurpleJam said:

blackguitaristz said:

Good ears. I've always known that the solo to Purple Rain was influenced by Gilmour's solo. Take a listen to Journey's song "Faithfully" and the solo in it by Neal Schon. It's even more clear that Prince loved this solo.


Of coure that might not be surprising as Schon was once a member of Santana, so I suppose that its possible that P followed his progression on to Journey.

Do you know if Prince has commented on Schon as a guitar player?


This is interesting.

I've always thought that the solo in "I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man" had a bit of a Neil Schon flavor.

As far as Gilmour and Pink Floyd go... I think the closest sounding song Prince has done 2 that vibe is "The Love We Make".
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Reply #7 posted 12/14/06 2:24pm

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I have never heard any Pink-Floyd influence in Princes guitar soloing, i doubt if he even knows their music very well.

Purple Rains guitar solo sounds way more blues-rocky then Pink Floyd far more polished, pop-style of soloing, its IMO far more influenced by the likes of The raw, intuitive styles of Jimmy Hendrix and B.B. King.
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Reply #8 posted 12/14/06 2:48pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

I have never heard any Pink-Floyd influence in Princes guitar soloing, i doubt if he even knows their music very well.

Purple Rains guitar solo sounds way more blues-rocky then Pink Floyd far more polished, pop-style of soloing, its IMO far more influenced by the likes of The raw, intuitive styles of Jimmy Hendrix and B.B. King.

Nah, Prince was very hip to Pink Floyd. How could he not be? Any music from the 60's and 70's, regardless of genre, Prince was going to be hip to it. P said himself, while growing up, all he listened to FM radio. Which of course, played rock of the day. Zeppelin, The Stones, Santana, Queen. Include to that list, Pink Floyd. I wasn't a rock station that DIDN'T play Pink Floyd. They were too popular. There was no way Prince wouldn't have been hip to that band. Oh and Hendrix spelled his name "Jimi".
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Reply #9 posted 12/14/06 2:50pm

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Tom said:

David Gilmour has covered Purple Rain a few times in concert in the past as well.

Yep. The song Clapton played guitar on with Phil Collins, Clapton plays a very Purple Rain-ish styled solo. Which isn't surprising, being that Purple Rain is Clapton's favorite song.
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PurpleJam said:

blackguitaristz said:

Good ears. I've always known that the solo to Purple Rain was influenced by Gilmour's solo. Take a listen to Journey's song "Faithfully" and the solo in it by Neal Schon. It's even more clear that Prince loved this solo.


Of coure that might not be surprising as Schon was once a member of Santana, so I suppose that its possible that P followed his progression on to Journey.

Do you know if Prince has commented on Schon as a guitar player?

Nah, I'm not hip if he's ever mentioned Neal. But the solo to "Faithfully", the runs and the phrasing, definately influenced the solo to Purple Rain. Very similar. Much more so than "Numb".
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Reply #11 posted 12/14/06 2:58pm

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I always thought "IT"'s guitar solo was Pink Floyd inspired. Listen to IT.
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Reply #12 posted 12/14/06 3:21pm

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Really, i think its wishfull thinking from some of yours, but Princes guitar playing doesnt connect in any way to Pink Floyd.
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Reply #13 posted 12/14/06 8:45pm

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prince's guitar playing dont resemble pink floyd these days but there was a time it did.
sign o the times- studio version of the song have pink floyd like lead guitar
also from the same album,
middle section of i could never take the place
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Reply #14 posted 12/14/06 8:56pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Really, i think its wishfull thinking from some of yours, but Princes guitar playing doesnt connect in any way to Pink Floyd.


it sure does on "IT"
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Reply #15 posted 12/15/06 7:56am

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Riverpoet31 said:

Really, i think its wishfull thinking from some of yours, but Princes guitar playing doesnt connect in any way to Pink Floyd.

Wishful thinking? Man, that shit is funny. Why would we "wish" that Prince sounded like Pink Floyd? That's some stupid shit like "Hey ufo, I WISH Prince sounded like Alice Cooper. Wouldn't that be cool? Hey, I know, let's say that Prince sounded like Alice Cooper. Let's "wish" it into being!"
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Reply #16 posted 12/17/06 10:48pm

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To the original question: I doubt it. Other than the obvious "slow-tempo rock ballad guitar hero moment" thing. Harmonically, they both utilize a minor pentatonic feel, but so does every other rock guitar solo in recorded history. Prince plays major pentatonic ideas as well, and Gilmour favors a melodic minor sound. Their styles aren't really related past the obvious blues base. Gilmour is more melodic/lyrical and nuanced; he doesn't really play fast passages at all. Prince takes more of a "showman" approach and has series of tricks he tends to go to -- fast repeated phrases (esp. evident on "Joy In Repetition" from Aftershow), pick-scraping, etc. -- that many guitar players think of as cliches, but he plays them with such tremendous conviction and flair he always gets away with it.

As far as the specific solos in question, "Comfortably Numb" (and I assume we're talking about the big solo at the end, not the earlier breaks) is far superior musically (and Gilmour even bests it live with just about every version I've heard, but particularly the one from Pulse). The recorded "Purple Rain" solo is pretty simple, and doesn't really go anywhere once he locks into that A-Bb-C motif before the first turnaround, which he then comes back to after the "ooh-ooh" audience singalong, playing that same three-note figure for the entire last chorus of the solo (hardcore fans will also note that he plays the same simple motif for an extra chorus or two on the original First Avenue tracks; these were judiciously edited from the final version). Live, though, this solo can be much more soul-stirring: I think my favorite might be the go-for-broke version from the Syracuse Purple Rain show. I don't think I've heard one better, and I've heard many. He really caught fire that night. But Gilmour's solo is more melodic and sophisticated; the ideas are developed so that it sounds almost through-composed, but no less emotional. It rightly deserves its reputation as one of rock's great solos. I highly recommend checking out the Pulse DVD and Delicate Sound of Thunder for definitive versions.
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Reply #17 posted 12/17/06 11:39pm

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TedW said:

To the original question: I doubt it. Other than the obvious "slow-tempo rock ballad guitar hero moment" thing. Harmonically, they both utilize a minor pentatonic feel, but so does every other rock guitar solo in recorded history. Prince plays major pentatonic ideas as well, and Gilmour favors a melodic minor sound. Their styles aren't really related past the obvious blues base. Gilmour is more melodic/lyrical and nuanced; he doesn't really play fast passages at all. Prince takes more of a "showman" approach and has series of tricks he tends to go to -- fast repeated phrases (esp. evident on "Joy In Repetition" from Aftershow), pick-scraping, etc. -- that many guitar players think of as cliches, but he plays them with such tremendous conviction and flair he always gets away with it.

As far as the specific solos in question, "Comfortably Numb" (and I assume we're talking about the big solo at the end, not the earlier breaks) is far superior musically (and Gilmour even bests it live with just about every version I've heard, but particularly the one from Pulse). The recorded "Purple Rain" solo is pretty simple, and doesn't really go anywhere once he locks into that A-Bb-C motif before the first turnaround, which he then comes back to after the "ooh-ooh" audience singalong, playing that same three-note figure for the entire last chorus of the solo (hardcore fans will also note that he plays the same simple motif for an extra chorus or two on the original First Avenue tracks; these were judiciously edited from the final version). Live, though, this solo can be much more soul-stirring: I think my favorite might be the go-for-broke version from the Syracuse Purple Rain show. I don't think I've heard one better, and I've heard many. He really caught fire that night. But Gilmour's solo is more melodic and sophisticated; the ideas are developed so that it sounds almost through-composed, but no less emotional. It rightly deserves its reputation as one of rock's great solos. I highly recommend checking out the Pulse DVD and Delicate Sound of Thunder for definitive versions.
[Edited 12/17/06 22:49pm]


I feel like I'm back in school again...Super analytical posts like this take all the fun out of the thread confused
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Reply #18 posted 12/18/06 12:11am

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JesseDezz said:

TedW said:

To the original question: I doubt it. Other than the obvious "slow-tempo rock ballad guitar hero moment" thing. Harmonically, they both utilize a minor pentatonic feel, but so does every other rock guitar solo in recorded history. Prince plays major pentatonic ideas as well, and Gilmour favors a melodic minor sound. Their styles aren't really related past the obvious blues base. Gilmour is more melodic/lyrical and nuanced; he doesn't really play fast passages at all. Prince takes more of a "showman" approach and has series of tricks he tends to go to -- fast repeated phrases (esp. evident on "Joy In Repetition" from Aftershow), pick-scraping, etc. -- that many guitar players think of as cliches, but he plays them with such tremendous conviction and flair he always gets away with it.

As far as the specific solos in question, "Comfortably Numb" (and I assume we're talking about the big solo at the end, not the earlier breaks) is far superior musically (and Gilmour even bests it live with just about every version I've heard, but particularly the one from Pulse). The recorded "Purple Rain" solo is pretty simple, and doesn't really go anywhere once he locks into that A-Bb-C motif before the first turnaround, which he then comes back to after the "ooh-ooh" audience singalong, playing that same three-note figure for the entire last chorus of the solo (hardcore fans will also note that he plays the same simple motif for an extra chorus or two on the original First Avenue tracks; these were judiciously edited from the final version). Live, though, this solo can be much more soul-stirring: I think my favorite might be the go-for-broke version from the Syracuse Purple Rain show. I don't think I've heard one better, and I've heard many. He really caught fire that night. But Gilmour's solo is more melodic and sophisticated; the ideas are developed so that it sounds almost through-composed, but no less emotional. It rightly deserves its reputation as one of rock's great solos. I highly recommend checking out the Pulse DVD and Delicate Sound of Thunder for definitive versions.
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I feel like I'm back in school again...Super analytical posts like this take all the fun out of the thread confused


Funny you say this. I really liked this post and it added to the info and fun. Wll informed, with references where to look and listen. Thanks.

I was in a comf.numb listening mood this morning and was wondering the same. Went looking and found actually this active thread... 2 funny
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Reply #19 posted 12/18/06 12:32am

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Guess I'm being a bit of a Scrooge lol Anyway, carry on...
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Reply #20 posted 12/18/06 2:34am

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Tom said:

David Gilmour has covered Purple Rain a few times in concert in the past as well.


- Wow, I am not a Pink Floyd fan, but this is something I would like to hear! Gilmour is a great player.
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Reply #21 posted 12/18/06 2:58am

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blackguitaristz said:

Riverpoet31 said:

I have never heard any Pink-Floyd influence in Princes guitar soloing, i doubt if he even knows their music very well.

Purple Rains guitar solo sounds way more blues-rocky then Pink Floyd far more polished, pop-style of soloing, its IMO far more influenced by the likes of The raw, intuitive styles of Jimmy Hendrix and B.B. King.

Nah, Prince was very hip to Pink Floyd. How could he not be? Any music from the 60's and 70's, regardless of genre, Prince was going to be hip to it. P said himself, while growing up, all he listened to FM radio. Which of course, played rock of the day. Zeppelin, The Stones, Santana, Queen. Include to that list, Pink Floyd. I wasn't a rock station that DIDN'T play Pink Floyd. They were too popular. There was no way Prince wouldn't have been hip to that band. Oh and Hendrix spelled his name "Jimi".



No , his manager changed Jimmy to Jimi
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Reply #22 posted 12/18/06 3:31am

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muirdo said:

thebanishedone said:

comfortably numb is good,but its overrated guitar solo.
purple rain solo is better,more focused


i disagree smile Comfortably Numb imo way better.

Ive always thought the guitar playing on The Sensual Everafter is Floydish smile



WOW. I just listenned to CN.

I never associated the two before. I'm not sure if it's way better, but I don't think the guitar solo on Purple Rain puts it to shame by any stretch of the imagination.
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Reply #23 posted 12/18/06 8:36am

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Comfortably Numb is also echoed by Empty Room, the chord progression of both long dramatic conclusions is similar...
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Reply #24 posted 12/18/06 8:58am

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The Wish You Were Here album has been getting totally worn out of
late.

in particular Shine On You Crazy Diamond....woot!
the guitar in that is eargasmic smile

the sax ruins it though boxed
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Reply #25 posted 12/18/06 2:53pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Tom said:

David Gilmour has covered Purple Rain a few times in concert in the past as well.


- Wow, I am not a Pink Floyd fan, but this is something I would like to hear! Gilmour is a great player.


I saw him perform it with Tom Jones, of all people. I love Gilmour, but I didn't dig his version that much once the oh s**t! he's playing Purple Rain! shock factor passed...
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Dewrede said:

blackguitaristz said:


Nah, Prince was very hip to Pink Floyd. How could he not be? Any music from the 60's and 70's, regardless of genre, Prince was going to be hip to it. P said himself, while growing up, all he listened to FM radio. Which of course, played rock of the day. Zeppelin, The Stones, Santana, Queen. Include to that list, Pink Floyd. I wasn't a rock station that DIDN'T play Pink Floyd. They were too popular. There was no way Prince wouldn't have been hip to that band. Oh and Hendrix spelled his name "Jimi".


Who u telling? Yeah, I know Chas changed it. To make it more catchy. If we wanna go that way, Jimmy wasn't even Hendrix's real name. It was Johnny Allen.
No , his manager changed Jimmy to Jimi
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TedW said:

To the original question: I doubt it. Other than the obvious "slow-tempo rock ballad guitar hero moment" thing. Harmonically, they both utilize a minor pentatonic feel, but so does every other rock guitar solo in recorded history. Prince plays major pentatonic ideas as well, and Gilmour favors a melodic minor sound. Their styles aren't really related past the obvious blues base. Gilmour is more melodic/lyrical and nuanced; he doesn't really play fast passages at all. Prince takes more of a "showman" approach and has series of tricks he tends to go to -- fast repeated phrases (esp. evident on "Joy In Repetition" from Aftershow), pick-scraping, etc. -- that many guitar players think of as cliches, but he plays them with such tremendous conviction and flair he always gets away with it.

As far as the specific solos in question, "Comfortably Numb" (and I assume we're talking about the big solo at the end, not the earlier breaks) is far superior musically (and Gilmour even bests it live with just about every version I've heard, but particularly the one from Pulse). The recorded "Purple Rain" solo is pretty simple, and doesn't really go anywhere once he locks into that A-Bb-C motif before the first turnaround, which he then comes back to after the "ooh-ooh" audience singalong, playing that same three-note figure for the entire last chorus of the solo (hardcore fans will also note that he plays the same simple motif for an extra chorus or two on the original First Avenue tracks; these were judiciously edited from the final version). Live, though, this solo can be much more soul-stirring: I think my favorite might be the go-for-broke version from the Syracuse Purple Rain show. I don't think I've heard one better, and I've heard many. He really caught fire that night. But Gilmour's solo is more melodic and sophisticated; the ideas are developed so that it sounds almost through-composed, but no less emotional. It rightly deserves its reputation as one of rock's great solos. I highly recommend checking out the Pulse DVD and Delicate Sound of Thunder for definitive versions.
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Nice post and I agree with it. Like I mainly posted, the solo that influenced Purple Rain's solo is Neal Schon's solo to "Faithfully". I'm glad they edited out the 3 note motif from First Ave. It goes on waaay too long. The edited down version is much better. And obviously, this is what Prince based his live version from. The Syracuse version and probably as good as it was because Prince already knew that it was going to be used for a video release. Although the 3 shows I saw at the Forum earlier in the year, his solos on PR were even better. Prince really steps it up a notch when a lot of other celebs are in the audience. Which definately was the case whenever he played L.A. Or when his on television. The AMA from 85 is proof of this.
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Reply #28 posted 12/18/06 11:17pm

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blackguitaristz said:

TedW said:

To the original question: I doubt it. Other than the obvious "slow-tempo rock ballad guitar hero moment" thing. Harmonically, they both utilize a minor pentatonic feel, but so does every other rock guitar solo in recorded history. Prince plays major pentatonic ideas as well, and Gilmour favors a melodic minor sound. Their styles aren't really related past the obvious blues base. Gilmour is more melodic/lyrical and nuanced; he doesn't really play fast passages at all. Prince takes more of a "showman" approach and has series of tricks he tends to go to -- fast repeated phrases (esp. evident on "Joy In Repetition" from Aftershow), pick-scraping, etc. -- that many guitar players think of as cliches, but he plays them with such tremendous conviction and flair he always gets away with it.

As far as the specific solos in question, "Comfortably Numb" (and I assume we're talking about the big solo at the end, not the earlier breaks) is far superior musically (and Gilmour even bests it live with just about every version I've heard, but particularly the one from Pulse). The recorded "Purple Rain" solo is pretty simple, and doesn't really go anywhere once he locks into that A-Bb-C motif before the first turnaround, which he then comes back to after the "ooh-ooh" audience singalong, playing that same three-note figure for the entire last chorus of the solo (hardcore fans will also note that he plays the same simple motif for an extra chorus or two on the original First Avenue tracks; these were judiciously edited from the final version). Live, though, this solo can be much more soul-stirring: I think my favorite might be the go-for-broke version from the Syracuse Purple Rain show. I don't think I've heard one better, and I've heard many. He really caught fire that night. But Gilmour's solo is more melodic and sophisticated; the ideas are developed so that it sounds almost through-composed, but no less emotional. It rightly deserves its reputation as one of rock's great solos. I highly recommend checking out the Pulse DVD and Delicate Sound of Thunder for definitive versions.
[Edited 12/17/06 22:49pm]

Nice post and I agree with it. Like I mainly posted, the solo that influenced Purple Rain's solo is Neal Schon's solo to "Faithfully". I'm glad they edited out the 3 note motif from First Ave. It goes on waaay too long. The edited down version is much better. And obviously, this is what Prince based his live version from. The Syracuse version and probably as good as it was because Prince already knew that it was going to be used for a video release. Although the 3 shows I saw at the Forum earlier in the year, his solos on PR were even better. Prince really steps it up a notch when a lot of other celebs are in the audience. Which definately was the case whenever he played L.A. Or when his on television. The AMA from 85 is proof of this.


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I hear you!!

The AMA performance is very powerful vocally and instrumentally, the whole Revolution put there heart and soul into that performance (esp prince on his Axe)
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Reply #29 posted 12/23/06 12:24pm

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JesseDezz said:

GustavoRibas said:



- Wow, I am not a Pink Floyd fan, but this is something I would like to hear! Gilmour is a great player.


I saw him perform it with Tom Jones, of all people. I love Gilmour, but I didn't dig his version that much once the oh s**t! he's playing Purple Rain! shock factor passed...


- yes, I just downloaded it. I prefer Prince´s playing on this one! But I was really impressed by the similarities between Journey´s ´Faithfully´ and ´Purple Rain´! (I didnt know Journey´s song)
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