WomanScorned said:

Im a retard..yet several other people here ..That obviously know more about music and music history than you..also got the same feeling about your comment...hmmmmm...? ok...whatever..
[Edited 12/4/06 17:25pm]

prettymansson said:

pretty, don't even trip, dawg. U know how MANY retards who dig Jimi is on this site? A lot. There aren't many who dig Jimi at all on this forum. But over in the non music forum, man, there are sooooo many retards. Don't trip.

blackguitaristz said:

On point as usual

prettymansson said:

Do you know any other words besides "whatever", sweetie? And, since you missed it the first time, allow me to reiterate: I don't give a flying FUCK how much more about music history the rest of the people here know, that doesn't make them better than me. Their extensive knowledge of music history does not impress me at all. I know that P's guitar playing moves me, and that's all that matters, end of story.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Thank u D.P., Thank u.

HalluRain said:

Not 2 cause any contreversy or anything but I certainly beg 2 differ. I guess it depends on the person listening. When i hear prince do a solo, I can tell 4 sure prince did that solo (even if that was the only part of the song i heard). some who listen 2 jimi and prince can pick out which parts of each solo sound alike. i 4 1 can listen 2 a live jimi performance and a live prince performance and tell u that prince did sound a lil like jimi. We all kno prince being his own person he likes 2 takes things change it up and call it something new. so what i think he does iz prince takes sound from jimi and especially santana and mixes them 2 create what iz known as the prince sound. if u saw me play one of my songs u would b able 2 tell that it came from prince because i completely take his style. most of his riffs i can copy them in a heartbeat. (not a heartbeat mayb a day or 2 ) and put thewm 2 my own song.

WomanScorned said:

Fine, Prince's guitar playing moves you and that is all that matters to you. However this thread is about how other guitar players before Prince might have influenced him or not in creating his own style. That clearly demands you have actually heard the other artists mentioned so you can compare. It's not about some grand knowledge of music history, just common sense. Prince's sound has influenced the generations that came after him; do you give a flying fuck about that, about his contributions to music at large? Because in the same way Prince's own sound has been influenced, he did not emerge fully-formed out of a plastic bubble. If are not interested in discussing such influences, whether they come from dead musicians or not, then it is clearly difficult for you to contribute positively to the discussion.

metalorange said:

Oooh shit...in broad daylight too!

metalorange said:

The title of the thread is : "Is P an axe imitator. Imitating is DIFFERENT from being INFLUENCED by.





Compare? Comparing is a useless, stupid, meaningless exercise. When are some of you going to get it through your thick ass skulls that different artists are just that, different, and that it makes absolutely no sense to compare?





Tell that to the fools who love to flaunt their music history knowledge on here every chance they get





I have absolutely no problem with that.




I never said he did. The title of the thread was: IS P AN AXE IMITATOR? The answer to that question: an emphatic HELL no. Was he influenced? ABSOLUTELY. But he is NO imitator. As I said before, there is a DIFFERENCE.




We're actually on sorta the same side here. The whole point of my rant was that I resented P being called an "imitator". He's been playing too damn long to be called that, and IMO, he has EARNED the right to be called an influential guitar player. He has ALSO earned the right to NOT BE CONSTANTLY compared to Hendrix and whoever else came before him. Is that "positive" enough for you?
[Edited 12/6/06 12:45pm]

WomanScorned said:

To be fair, I get where Woman is coming from, overall. What causes the reaction that she gets from others is cuz she's soooo not a fan of Hendrix. To the point where it comes across like she dislikes Hendrix for what Jimi represents. The ultimate guitar hero. I'm not saying this is the case, cuz I don't know Woman. But I have dated some girls who, were major fans of Prince's and truly resented Hendrix because the way Jimi is seen by many folks. And that's how they want Prince to be seen. Problem with that is Prince will NEVER be seen in that light, mainly because he devoted so much of his image, i.e, mannerisms, wardrobe, etc, pattering after Jimi. He became as known for that as anything else. I'm talking from 78-85. He embraced the shit out of Hendrix's imagery. EVERYBODY knew that. Anyone who had heard of Hendrix, not even being a fan, but if they knew what Jimi looked like, would take ONE look at Prince during this period, and they knew; Hendrix. Prince used this as a career move. He was forging his way towards a crossover audience and who was the most beloved guitarist by the audience he was striving for (whites) than Hendrix? Nobody. It made perfect sense to him and he worked it to death. Prince was influenced just as equally as a guitarist by Carlos. BUT, Prince didn't pattern himself after Carlos. He didn't act or dress like Carlos. He didn't name his film Black Magic Rain. And nothing was wrong with that. As a kid, I ate that shit up. I dug how Prince was paying homage to Hendrix. He was definately an 80's version Hendrix in many aspects. And that was certainly deliberate on Prince's part. He WANTED u to think of Hendrix. But, overtime, u can't make a film where you're recalling someone as popular and beloved by so many people as Jimi and not have that attached to u. STILL, Prince, to this day, evokes Hendrix. Sure, Prince has his own style. No one on here said he didn't. I can tell it's Prince playing from the first note. Prince has definately earned his stripes. He's a legend. A living legend. And he is seen as such. But Prince would be the first to tell ya'll, hell yes I patterned myself after Hendrix. He took the most popular image of Hendrix and applied it to his thang. Visually and musically.

blackguitaristz said:

You, sir, are wrong on all counts. I am a fan of Hendrix, and I do not resent him at all. Just because I'm tired of Prince being compared to him doesn't mean I'm not a fan of his. And your reply still misses the point yet proves exactly what I was talking about. Some people will just never get beyond the comparisons of Prince to Hendrix and IMO, that's doing Prince a real disservice. It doesn't and shouldn't matter that in the beginning he emulated him, the fact of the matter is, Prince eventually birthed his own style, both musically and visually, and he should be given props for that instead of always pointing out that he was influenced by Hendrix. Prince will never be his own artist because of this.

WomanScorned said:

Oh, I know that Prince has his own sound. In the 90's especially, he developed an amalgam of styles, using exotic scales, blending them with the more familiar minor penatonic scales. Which was an interesting and very cool mix. Prince definately elevated his playing during this period. Prince's sound has been emulated to great degree. Which is a true sign of greatness. He has the respect of all the major music performers as a guitarist. Folks, especially the ones who play, all KNOW Prince can smoke on guitar. No one will dispute that.

WomanScorned said:

So are you saying he definately emulated Hendrix? Because in my thesaurus emulate is another way of saying imitate, which is what you insist he never did...

There's only a few artists/bands in the history of popular music who have actually contributed something truly unique. Most artists/bands have something of what went before in them, and what influenced them were made up of several influences too, and so on back in time. I don't see what you have against discussing such influences and to what extent they are evident in Prince's work. Because clearly there were such influences, not just Jimi, but clearly he comprised a part, perhaps a large part. People used to say Prince was only compared to Hendrix because he was a black rock guitarist; I prefer to believe they compare him with Hendrix because they both had outstanding talent on guitar, pure and simple. Prince has occasionally dressed very much like Jimi; he has also stricken very similar guitar god poses and played in a similar manner; these are facts that are not in dispute. But there are many other important influences too, for example James Brown, perhaps even more evident in his music. These are also undeniable. And then you have the part that is pure Prince creation, and that's fine. all we're talking about is influences in the same way we would talk about the influences on any artist. Did MJ emulate James Brown? Hell yeah! He also emulated Gene Kelley at times. And so forth. If MJ started playing guitar, would I compare him to Hendrix? Hell no, unless he got extremely good, or started dressing like him.
[Edited 12/7/06 6:50am]

metalorange said:

Oh whatever So shoot me, I used the wrong word, I meant "influenced by" not "emulate". My point is the same and I stand by it.



I don't disagree with any of that, but I am still of the POV that Prince took all those influences and turned them into his own unique style to the point where it's now unnecessary to even mention those people anymore.

WomanScorned said:

If you've been around the Org for a longtime, it starts to feel like every topic for discussion has been done to death, comparisons to other guitarists included. But you have to bear in mind there are newer people who haven't seen these old discussions and to which a discussion about Prince imitiating/emulating/being influenced by other guitarist is new and interesting. It is for the sake of these people it is always necessary to mention these people yet again. Hell, I don't think I'd ever have know Prince was influenced by Santana if it wasn't for the Org as Santana has never been that popular over here in the UK. Prince may have his unique style now, but it developed over several albums, you can't always talk about Prince in the 'here and now', but in the 'then', when you're talking about his history over-all.
[Edited 12/7/06 17:58pm]

metalorange said:

Hey metal, let's bounce off of this, player. Woman doesn't want to hear about anybody who helped shape Prince. U and I both have given excellent points. But it's like talking to a wall. Dig, if Prince himself told Woman every thing that we ourselves have said, verbatim, she would even tell Prince, "I don't give a fuck about them! Hendrix is dead! Ha! Ha! Ha!" You know what I'm saying?

blackguitaristz said:

Woman also made excellent points and I think you're being too dismissive of her vviews.
[Edited 12/7/06 22:22pm]

blackguitaristz said:

1. You're an idiot.

2. Stay out of our conversation, while you're at it quit worshipping Hendrix Now, to answer metal:

I don't mind the discussions of Prince's influences as long as people understand they are INFLUENCES and that Prince is not an imitator, that, like Wendy said on the UK Hall of fame, he took all these things, shook them up and melded all his influences into something uniquely Prince.
[Edited 12/7/06 22:27pm]

WomanScorned said:

blackguitaristz said:

He kinda already has:

James Brown, Chuck D. and Jimi
Turn me up louder now
I don't think y'all hear me (They don't hear ya)
2045 Radical Man

WomanScorned said:

You hear that ya'll? I'm an idiot. Oh shit...Yeah right. Becuase you've been checked oh,... I've lost count on how many times in this thread alone, then u have to resort to that? That right there REALLY showed us who was the true idiot. Oh and uh, I was ALREADY in the conversation. Before u actually.

PocketFullofHorses said:

Uh pocket, don't know how much u have read so far, but if u have been TRULY following, u would have seen earlier that I have agreed with some of what Woman has said. No one is disputing her main points. What she's saying is obvious anyways. So, I haven't dismissed shit she's said.

blackguitaristz said:

pfft bitch PLEASE...I ain't been checked NOWHERE, OLD MAN..I know I'm right, so you can kiss my fat ass.

WomanScorned said:

Old man? Bitch? U obviously have me confused with somebody else. Oh, your ass is fat? Well, bring that fat ass on over here and I'll do waay more to that ass than kiss it.

You guys need to get out more!

I can imitate a shovel.

Illustrator said:

I heard you were more like a hoe.

fathermcmeekle said:

That works better if you say it out loud.

fathermcmeekle said:

How do you pronounce it? Hoeeeee?

coolcat said:

Just like `ho`.

The best jokes are ones you need to explain!