pald1 said:

I understood them the first time. You never said you went to the show. You "..saw..". the show. I was asking you didn't go to go the show,but somehow 'saw' wink wink the show.

You equated the Nude Tour with money and I made the analogy with his fight with WB was about money.

Rev said:

Er...I WENT to the show and, by definition, SAW it. Christ, speaking in plain English isn't enough these days.

As for WB, I still don't get your point - are you agreeing or disagreeing? In any event, you actually don't make an analogy. The NUDE Tour was a new (at the time) business venture to make money (like all concerts), the WB issue was about reclaiming what he rightfully saw as his and, therefore, all future monies coming in off already existing properties.

pald1 said:

"trying something different" wasn't referring to his show...it's obvious that Prince brings the goods to every show. What I was referring to was the whole "Vegas" experience. He's trying a venue for weekend shows plus a restaurant business and merchandise sales...definately something different for him. I say let the man explore his vision.
Also, you were the one who brought up Prince "seeing a way to make a fast buck"
As I stated, it's not about the money for him, but the artistry...money is a nice side effect from his art.
[Edited 11/21/06 15:02pm]

Revolution said:

Point taken about the Vegas venture.
Still, you can't know what Prince thinks when it comes to his artistry and/or money. I think he's shown in the past that it IS 'all about the money' at times. I actually don't see anything wrong in this. He's self employed and has one huge asset - his music genius. Don't you think he'd be a fool not to exploit this? If it was all about the artistry then he would just have friends round his house to listen, ha. To say it's all about the 'artistry' for him is both naive and guesswork, quite frankly.

pald1 said:

Relative to what he could earn... on tour, say with only $75 tickets but with a theatre of 6000 he could earn far more quicker.

metalorange said:

What's your point? I mean, what are you trying to say? Is it that, because he's not doing a global tour in arena's then it's not about the money? Or, that the Las Vegas thing is a loss leader? Or, that he's doing it for fun?

I got news for you...its always about the money (why wouldn't it be) and I'm pretty sure he 'ain't losing any in this venture.

I'm sure this happens to the best musicians. I don't know how a person can keep releasing album after album and keep it fresh. It has to get tougher.

purpledoveuk said:

So perhaps Musicology was his Swan Song? I wouldn't dispute that. I happened to like the work he was doing around TRC, but when Musicology came around, I was thrown a little off track.

pald1 said:

My point is that if it was entirely about needing a 'fast buck' then surely he would look at a way to maximise his profit, which wouldn't be to rent out a space at an expensive hotel and play 2 nights a week for 900 people, it would be to do a few theatre shows for 5000 people. In other words, to earn the maximum amount of money with as little effort as possible, he would really go on a stripped down Nude tour type tour. Therefore clearly there is a consideration above just earning money. Not that Prince wants to lose money on this venture, he always insists on getting paid. What that consideration, only Prince knows for sure.

As is happens, sometimes Prince's artistic vision does supercede his need to earn lots. The Lovesexy tour was so elaborate he barely broke even; only the final Japanese leg brought it into profit and Prince wanted to cancel that! Similarly with the Gold Experience tour, he built a very elaborate set, but only used it for a few shows in the UK before having to leave behind parts of it that were just too bulky to transport easily.

purpledoveuk said:

As some people have pointed out, that is really acts that play there for, like, a year or more at a time and nowhere else. It seems likely Prince will only be doing this for a few months and then moving onto something else or a tour. Once he leaves Vegas, those sort of bad images will quickly be forgotten about.



Before the ONA tour, it was 4 years since Prince visited the UK, the 98 New Powersoul/Jam Of The Year tour. Didn't stop the crowds coming out for the ONA tour, I don't think a similar gap would stop them coming out for any tour in the future, though of course as the years go by there is a tendency for any artist to get less and less fans as you get further from their peak years.

How much does the lease for the club run him?

Its all relative, maybe his take will be similar to a small tour since he doesnt have to pay for the crew etc to travel.

metalorange said:

Can you tell me where you are getting this impression? I am trying desperately to get to Vegas before he's gone - and I don't know if I have to drop everything to go in January, or if I'll be lucky enough to still catch him in March!

I've never been able to see Prince live yet, so this is life or death for me.

MissBritt said:

http://www.ticketmaster.c...ist/735895

Upto now the dates only run to the 9th of December. I'm not saying he won't add more dates, but then again he may not.