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Reply #30 posted 08/21/02 5:30pm

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jnoel said:

The major problem is that the jw dogma ("whosepapers, hellavisions, and scagazines", well everything that doesn't evolve around their "truth") might incite him to keep his club as a shell (inside the jw cult) vs the devilish World.


Are you on drugs !!! The vast majority of Prince fans are not JW's. I do not think sane people really give a shit about Prince's religion. Enjoying his music does not mean you are in a cult. Get over your religious hatred.
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Reply #31 posted 08/21/02 5:36pm

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Raspberry said:

I don't think the stuff that he's producing nowadays is great ... flashes of genius yes, but on the whole it's been disappointing.

This year he's committed to releasing CDs to fans on NPGMC, plus downloads, plus the Celebration, plus an American tour, possibly a European one. I'd rather he focused on putting one great CD out there to everyone than however many mediocre ones he's planning to release to fans.

OK, that was my opinion. The truth is that Prince is now at a stage where he can do what he likes musically. He's given us some great CDs in the past and doesn't really need to release any more of that calibre to be considered one of the most prolific and talented musicians of our time.

So, on the one hand, I'd like to see more from him - more quality rather than quantity ... on the other, I appreciate that he's going in the direction he wants to right now and he always said he would do less commercial stuff eventually.

Finally, my opinion on whether he needs a label? "Yes" .. not necessarily a major one though, because I don't think he could handle giving up control of his music, but I'd like to see what he could achieve through collaborations with new producers and artists along with an element of controlling what he releases to the public, because I don't think he always releases his best stuff and to me that's a pity, because there are a vast number of people out there who don't appreciate what he's capable of as an artist.

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A voice of reason!!! Yes, I could see Prince going to a independent label. I think a lot of you people do not understand that there are only 5 major labels. They are all much to busy selling rap cd's and boy bands to sign a real artist like Prince.

He would not be allowed to own the master recordings because he has made such a issue of it.

He would not receive the proper promotion because he is to old to appeal to teenagers.

He would never listen to the suits in charge.

A major label would be a disater!!!
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Reply #32 posted 08/21/02 5:54pm

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AllIgottasayis: Prince don't need nobody!!!
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Reply #33 posted 08/21/02 7:27pm

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DMSR,

Now I remember; Mike Appel was his manager too, but he was his first producer. Landau was more of an outsider than Appel at first, when you get right down to it. Because Landau was a critic (I've seen the future of rock and roll...") that didn't even know Springsteen till a couple of years into his career. Either way you look at it, Springsteen worked with 2 other producers prior to O'Brien no matter how close they were.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #34 posted 08/21/02 8:53pm

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rdhull said:

subyduby said:

his current music is boring and bad.perhaps he will change that by letting others tell his ego: No and mean it too.


You're referring to Michael Jackson right?


no darling. prince rogers nelson. his music could be better. he doesn't release his best stuff, i guess.
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Reply #35 posted 08/21/02 10:45pm

jnoel

stupidity's idea sof good stuff are : "mariah", "maddy","celine", "michael" & "janet"
:moron: (= :suby:)

subyduby said:

rdhull said:

subyduby said:

his current music is boring and bad.perhaps he will change that by letting others tell his ego: No and mean it too.


You're referring to Michael Jackson right?


no darling. prince rogers nelson. his music could be better. he doesn't release his best stuff, i guess.
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Reply #36 posted 08/21/02 10:59pm

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why??

Prince is taking home $9 per album sold? Plus taking the lion share of the tour..

the guy aint hurting for money.. He just bought yet another house in canada.. has one in spain too

ALL a Major record Label does is get you ON EVERY Magazine and be interviewed by anyone they have in their back pocket.. which is basically 95% of anyone..

IT is ALL Ego!! Because you don't take ANY money home!

a basic deal is like 56 cents per album sold.

* TLC sold 10 Million albums they only took home $50,000 (after everything)

* Nsync grossed $300 Million .. each performer only took home $900,000

Major Label is for your EGO and getting your ass kissed.. because your not going to make any money?

Prince is fine and seems to be pretty rich since 1996 (when he is in "trouble" he will play with the big boys)
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Reply #37 posted 08/22/02 2:09am

Mr7

Yawn
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Reply #38 posted 08/22/02 3:24pm

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Supernova said:

DMSR said:

Supernova said:

DMSR said:

Bruce has worked with his manager Jon Landeau and Little Steven but that's like Prince working with Levi or one of his guys on his payroll. That's different than hiring an outside producer like Brendan O'Brien who isnt afraid to suggest ideas ithout losing his career.

Not quite. Ever heard of Mike Appel?

As far as there being other threads i really dont have time to read back 3-4 months to find that thread!

That wasn't the point.


Here's part of the article from Rolling Stone interview-

Equally significant, The Rising is the first Springsteen album ever to be produced by an outsider. Springsteen's camp over the years has been one of the most tightly knit in the rock world. Beginning with his first album, 1973's Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J., Springsteen has had a hand in producing every one of his albums. His only production collaborators have been people very close to him, such as his manager, Jon Landau, Van Zandt and Chuck Plotkin. They are notorious perfectionists. The time it takes them to make an album can be epic, up to three years; just as epic are the conversations between Springsteen and Landau about the nuances of a single take. But for The Rising, Springsteen handed the reins to Atlanta producer Brendan O'Brien, whose credits include albums by Pearl Jam and Rage Against the Machine. The new record was finished in seven and a half weeks.


I REST MY CASE!

You can rest your case all ya want, DMSR, but Mike Appel's name is in the credits of BOTH of Springsteen's first 2 albums of his career. Maybe the writers at Rolling Stone either have forgotten, or don't know. But anyone who knows anything about his first 2 discs knows that. Appel just happened to be the guy that Springsteen had legal trouble with and it took him 3 years after Born To Run to be able to record again. Maybe Appel was close to him too (I don't know), but he does have a producers credit in those albums I mention.

Case dismissed.


Mike Appel was Bruce's first manager who signed all his publishing away to himself, Bruce sued. Not really a producer and this is why Rolling Stone says this is his first real producer.
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Reply #39 posted 08/22/02 3:31pm

tommyalma

Prince needs a major? Naw, he likes 'em underage. You all know that.
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Reply #40 posted 08/22/02 3:32pm

Supernova

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DMSR said:

Supernova said:

DMSR said:

Supernova said:

DMSR said:

Bruce has worked with his manager Jon Landeau and Little Steven but that's like Prince working with Levi or one of his guys on his payroll. That's different than hiring an outside producer like Brendan O'Brien who isnt afraid to suggest ideas ithout losing his career.

Not quite. Ever heard of Mike Appel?

As far as there being other threads i really dont have time to read back 3-4 months to find that thread!

That wasn't the point.


Here's part of the article from Rolling Stone interview-

Equally significant, The Rising is the first Springsteen album ever to be produced by an outsider. Springsteen's camp over the years has been one of the most tightly knit in the rock world. Beginning with his first album, 1973's Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J., Springsteen has had a hand in producing every one of his albums. His only production collaborators have been people very close to him, such as his manager, Jon Landau, Van Zandt and Chuck Plotkin. They are notorious perfectionists. The time it takes them to make an album can be epic, up to three years; just as epic are the conversations between Springsteen and Landau about the nuances of a single take. But for The Rising, Springsteen handed the reins to Atlanta producer Brendan O'Brien, whose credits include albums by Pearl Jam and Rage Against the Machine. The new record was finished in seven and a half weeks.


I REST MY CASE!

You can rest your case all ya want, DMSR, but Mike Appel's name is in the credits of BOTH of Springsteen's first 2 albums of his career. Maybe the writers at Rolling Stone either have forgotten, or don't know. But anyone who knows anything about his first 2 discs knows that. Appel just happened to be the guy that Springsteen had legal trouble with and it took him 3 years after Born To Run to be able to record again. Maybe Appel was close to him too (I don't know), but he does have a producers credit in those albums I mention.

Case dismissed.


Mike Appel was Bruce's first manager who signed all his publishing away to himself, Bruce sued. Not really a producer and this is why Rolling Stone says this is his first real producer.

Well he certainly did get a producer's credit. That's all I'm saying.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #41 posted 08/22/02 9:02pm

ZaZa

major - minor - as long as its a label!
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