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Printablehoodrat said: babynoz said: I hear ya Gray, that would make him an "uppity negra" in the minds of the powers that be in the industry. The same people who control who gets radio play and who does not, by the way. There's a price to pay for being a maverick and the people he crossed are still out there. As far as the general public are concerned, Prince chose to present himself as racially and sexually ambiguous early in his career and since they don't follow Prince like we do, this is the image they still have of him. First impressions, ya know? As far as him being dogged consistently, I have to agree with the person who stated that most of the dogging goes on right here. I wouldn't say Prince is more dogged out than other artists, I just think he's dogged out for different reasons. . Gray nicely said. baby "racially and sexually ambiguous" I don't know if I get what your saying Imagine your in an interview with someone who really doesn't care about your answer and since race is used to divide why should Prince say he is African-American, Indian and Caucasian lineage, and Black and Italian other side. Today he's picking his dominant race which is what it is or just say my name is Prince. Was that track hot what else matters. Hi Hoodrat! I wasn't making any value judgement about Prince's choices. UFO, Meow and others were commenting about the general public's perception of Prince. That's what I was addressing. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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babynoz said: Graycap23 said: I’m constantly amazed at how RACE is always downplayed yet IT is the FABRIC of the American way. That aside, Prince’s treatment is a very complicated issue. All of the things mentioned here play a part as well as race but the one thing that I believe is the main root of Prince’s being “dogged” out is his stance AGAINST the music business in general. Prince represents the opposite of what the music business considers a music artist.
The music business prefers artist who take orders, questions nothing, and do what they are TOLD. Prince represents NONE of those things. To further complicate the matter, prince does NOT hold his tongue on his stance and will voice his opinion publicly in his own way. Just my 2 pennies. I hear ya Gray, that would make him an "uppity negra" in the minds of the powers that be in the industry. The same people who control who gets radio play and who does not, by the way. There's a price to pay for being a maverick and the people he crossed are still out there. As far as the general public are concerned, Prince chose to present himself as racially and sexually ambiguous early in his career and since they don't follow Prince like we do, this is the image they still have of him. First impressions, ya know? As far as him being dogged consistently, I have to agree with the person who stated that most of the dogging goes on right here. I wouldn't say Prince is more dogged out than other artists, I just think he's dogged out for different reasons. .  | |
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Graycap23 said: I’m constantly amazed at how RACE is always downplayed yet IT is the FABRIC of the American way. That aside, Prince’s treatment is a very complicated issue. All of the things mentioned here play a part as well as race but the one thing that I believe is the main root of Prince’s being “dogged” out is his stance AGAINST the music business in general. Prince represents the opposite of what the music business considers a music artist.
The music business prefers artist who take orders, questions nothing, and do what they are TOLD. Prince represents NONE of those things. To further complicate the matter, prince does NOT hold his tongue on his stance and will voice his opinion publicly in his own way. Just my 2 pennies. Prince might be dogged but he is in an enviable position because he will always find work regardless of his opinion. Business in general prefers employees who only do what they are told. Prince is able to continue making progressive music and new sounds no matter if he speaks his truth. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: eyewishuheaven said: The name change. He might as well have hung a 'kick me' sign on his back.
 
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Prince got mainstream w/ the film Purple Rain. Nobody in their right mind could watch that film, regardless of the white mother and think this cat is anything but Black. He looks Black, acts Black and plays Black. He thinks Black and dresses Black and articulate w/ excellent enunciation, he talks Black. All of his childhood friends are Black. His entire family is Black. Not one caucasion anywhere in the equation. Get real. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: Prince got mainstream w/ the film Purple Rain. Nobody in their right mind could watch that film, regardless of the white mother and think this cat is anything but Black. He looks Black, acts Black and plays Black. He thinks Black and dresses Black and articulate w/ excellent enunciation, he talks Black. All of his childhood friends are Black. His entire family is Black. Not one caucasion anywhere in the equation. Get real.
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sharonbell said: Why are they always dogging Prince negatively? Because he is too genius to drop somethin' ordinary | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: Prince got mainstream w/ the film Purple Rain. Nobody in their right mind could watch that film, regardless of the white mother and think this cat is anything but Black. He looks Black, acts Black and plays Black. He thinks Black and dresses Black and articulate w/ excellent enunciation, he talks Black. All of his childhood friends are Black. His entire family is Black. Not one caucasion anywhere in the equation. Get real.
...and that's why non-fans are constantly surprised he's black. That film was 22 years ago, and Prince has largely been forgotten by a lot of people, especially younger people, except maybe in passing mention. The popular image of him is sort of a lovechild mix of the ruffles and lace of PR and the overall oddness of the Symbol years, with the hintings of being mixed still floating largely in the collective mental image of Prince. Get real, yourself. [Edited 10/23/06 0:06am] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: JonnyApplesauce said: Prince got mainstream w/ the film Purple Rain. Nobody in their right mind could watch that film, regardless of the white mother and think this cat is anything but Black. He looks Black, acts Black and plays Black. He thinks Black and dresses Black and articulate w/ excellent enunciation, he talks Black. All of his childhood friends are Black. His entire family is Black. Not one caucasion anywhere in the equation. Get real.
...and that's why non-fans are constantly surprised he's black. That film was 22 years ago, and Prince has largely been forgotten by a lot of people, especially younger people, except maybe in passing mention. The popular image of him is sort of a lovechild mix of the ruffles and lace of PR and the overall oddness of the Symbol years, with the hintings of being mixed still floating largely in the collective mental image of Prince. Get real, yourself. [Edited 10/23/06 0:06am] Well said, aint many mascara wearing black men around today, let alone ones pushing 50, it's a looong time since PR, and even since 'Beautiful Girl' (the last time he was #1 the world over) and look at the state of him in that video. Nevermind race, Male? Female? or Vulcan? That aside, Prince is dogged out because the quality is lacking when compared to his earlier work, it aint rocket science. He has his moments still, but the run of consistantly brilliant albums ended a good while ago. Not to mention he's been critical of radio, Record companies (and in some instances) his own fanbase. Then he's backtracked. I prefer sincere people myself but each to their own. |
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Marrk said: That aside, Prince is dogged out because the quality is lacking when compared to his earlier work, it aint rocket science. He has his moments still, but the run of consistantly brilliant albums ended a good while ago. . I hear U but I TOTALLY disagree. Music is relevant 2 the time it is released. Prince's music TODAY is a notch above the looped/sampled drivel that is released every week in the U.S. Why are people STILL comparing 3121 to Purple Rain? That makes no sense at all. | |
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Graycap23 said: Marrk said: That aside, Prince is dogged out because the quality is lacking when compared to his earlier work, it aint rocket science. He has his moments still, but the run of consistantly brilliant albums ended a good while ago. . I hear U but I TOTALLY disagree. Music is relevant 2 the time it is released. Prince's music TODAY is a notch above the looped/sampled drivel that is released every week in the U.S. Why are people STILL comparing 3121 to Purple Rain? That makes no sense at all. nobody is comparing 3121 to Purple Rain...i cant speak for Marrk but there is a major gap between "quality" tunes and "throwaway" tunes on Prince's new albums... and just because prince's new music is better then what is being played on radio doesnt mean prince's music is better then anything and everything out there...Lizz Wright, Ani Difranco, Aimee Mann, Sofgen Stephens (sic)...these folks release consisten...let me repeat that; consisten songs on their albums...from beginning to end. and yes, prince had filler on all his albums...but for me now...the fillers outway the quality songs... i just got Difranco's new album yesterday and was floored by the passion and beauty...from start to finish it moved me. with prince, i get two great songs per album...two good ones...and the rest gets fastforwarded...and ani releases an album once a year...Aimee releases once every other year. If prince needs to slow his output down to release a full lenght quality disc...that would be A-okay with me. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Graycap23 said: I hear U but I TOTALLY disagree. Music is relevant 2 the time it is released. Prince's music TODAY is a notch above the looped/sampled drivel that is released every week in the U.S. Why are people STILL comparing 3121 to Purple Rain? That makes no sense at all. nobody is comparing 3121 to Purple Rain...i cant speak for Marrk but there is a major gap between "quality" tunes and "throwaway" tunes on Prince's new albums... and just because prince's new music is better then what is being played on radio doesnt mean prince's music is better then anything and everything out there...Lizz Wright, Ani Difranco, Aimee Mann, Sofgen Stephens (sic)...these folks release consisten...let me repeat that; consisten songs on their albums...from beginning to end. and yes, prince had filler on all his albums...but for me now...the fillers outway the quality songs... i just got Difranco's new album yesterday and was floored by the passion and beauty...from start to finish it moved me. with prince, i get two great songs per album...two good ones...and the rest gets fastforwarded...and ani releases an album once a year...Aimee releases once every other year. If prince needs to slow his output down to release a full lenght quality disc...that would be A-okay with me. Oh you can speak for me!   |
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sosgemini said: Graycap23 said: I hear U but I TOTALLY disagree. Music is relevant 2 the time it is released. Prince's music TODAY is a notch above the looped/sampled drivel that is released every week in the U.S. Why are people STILL comparing 3121 to Purple Rain? That makes no sense at all. nobody is comparing 3121 to Purple Rain...i cant speak for Marrk but there is a major gap between "quality" tunes and "throwaway" tunes on Prince's new albums... and just because prince's new music is better then what is being played on radio doesnt mean prince's music is better then anything and everything out there...Lizz Wright, Ani Difranco, Aimee Mann, Sofgen Stephens (sic)...these folks release consisten...let me repeat that; consisten songs on their albums...from beginning to end. and yes, prince had filler on all his albums...but for me now...the fillers outway the quality songs... i just got Difranco's new album yesterday and was floored by the passion and beauty...from start to finish it moved me. with prince, i get two great songs per album...two good ones...and the rest gets fastforwarded...and ani releases an album once a year...Aimee releases once every other year. If prince needs to slow his output down to release a full lenght quality disc...that would be A-okay with me. I dig it. U may not be comparing but I assure U, a LOT of people are. | |
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ufoclub said: JonnyApplesauce said: Prince got mainstream w/ the film Purple Rain. Nobody in their right mind could watch that film, regardless of the white mother and think this cat is anything but Black. He looks Black, acts Black and plays Black. He thinks Black and dresses Black and articulate w/ excellent enunciation, he talks Black. All of his childhood friends are Black. His entire family is Black. Not one caucasion anywhere in the equation. Get real.
you're hilarious! Did you ask anyone yet? Ask anyone what? I've been going to P shows since 1980 and buying his records since 78. The only folx who might not know were like born in 1980. And thats just one of many things they dont know. [Edited 10/23/06 15:26pm] | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: ufoclub said: you're hilarious! Did you ask anyone yet? Ask anyone what? I've been going to P shows since 1980 and buying his records since 78. The only folx who might not know were like born in 1980. And thats just one of many things they dont know. [Edited 10/23/06 15:26pm] Who cares what all these fast talkin young whipper snappers think! They don't matter now!  My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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