Haven't been at the org for a while ...
so probably this is old news

Just bought it at the Free Record Shop

Sign "O" the Times: New Dutch Alliance DVD !!

Widescreen!
Digitally Remastered
Release year 2006
Pal, region 2
Artikelnummer 501030
Released by Video/FilmExpress,the ones who also released the terrible chipmunk version!

But this one is the Alliance Atlantis release (identical to the Canadian release?)
Price : 6,99 euro at the Free Record Shop!!

But be aware ... this new release looks a lot like the terrible chipmunk version. Be sure that you get the one with the release-number 501030!
I first got the new sleeve with the old DVD, so check those numbers.

I can’t assure you they do have the new release at your local Free Record Shop.

The old and the new release have the same order-number!
So the employee will not understand what you’re talking about if you ask him about the new version. There’s only one SOTT DVD in his administration. But if a new DVD will be ordered, it most probably will be the new version that will arrive.


I haven’t watched it yet,
So, tomorrow I let you know if I’m happy with this new release!!

.... I've watched the new release:
Indeed ... this new version is much, much better.
The sound and picture quality is really excellent,
but it's still sped up!!
[Edited 10/18/06 10:19am]

Goede tip!

Bedankt! Ik ga straks ff winkelen.

HamsterHuey said:

I can’t assure you they do have the new release at your local Free Record Shop.

The old and the new release have the same order-number!
So the employee will not understand what you’re talking about if you ask him about the new version. There’s only one SOTT DVD in his administration. But if a new DVD will be ordered, it most probably will be the new version that will arrive.

Maakt niet uit, joh, ik vergelijk gewoon serie nummers tot ik de juiste heb.

Wat is de 'chipmunk' versie?

HamsterHuey said:

De oude nederlandse versie ... die is veel te snel!
Daardoor klinkt Prince's stem als een chipmunk (tekenfilmserie)

ThataintFunky said:

Aik, da's niet goed! Gelukkig heb ik die gemist.

HamsterHuey said:

Chipmunk, hamster, klinkt allemaal hetzelfde!

ThataintFunky said:

Currently you cannot order a dvd, or cd for that matter, through FreeRS, due to a new computersystem. This will hopefully be sorted in about a month. Since the dvd isn't selling all that well, it's not likely that the SOTT copy in your local store is a new (AA) version.

HamsterHuey said:

Dutch is even more fucked up than Finnish

I was just thinking about this. I saw the DVD at Suncoast Video here in New Jersey and was going to buy. But I remembered another dicussion indicating that the US version had poor quality. I have the original SOTT on VHS but its so old I don't think it will play anymore. Come to think of it I don't even have a VHS player anymore!

Anyone know where I can order the Canadian version online?

FuNkeNsteiN said:

No, believe me; Finnish wins.

HamsterHuey said:

I thought this was a great post on about the dispute between the technical quality of NTSC vs PAL, it was posted over at Housequake:

Originally posted by BeberGold on 22-09-06 at 11:34


"In addition to that, if you want the best quality ... it is known that the NTSC standard is better quality than PAL (but I don't believe it is noticeable to the human eye)."


Totally wrong. NTSC is considerably worse quality than PAL - it has less vertical resolution and the colour standard is universally considered to be very poor. If something is filmed in native NTSC (29.97fps) it will have more information per second than PAL, but the human eye does not process the increase until you get to framerates of around 48 fps and therefore the extra information is wasted. Most if not all movies are shot on film at 24 fps and achieve 29.97 playback on DVD by using a telecine method to duplicate frames - therefore the NTSC version is not showing more information/resolution but inserting superflous duplicate frames to achieve the framerate. This is why on fast panning scenes there is noticable judder in NTSC DVDs.

"I've never understood this speed up arguement.
It was recorded on Film - 24 frames a second
Coverted to NTSC - 30 frames a second
Later converted to PAL - 25 frames a second ”


It is very rare that an NTSC film (DVD) is encoded at 29.97 fps. That would mean approx 20% extra frames, which would force lower bitrate to be used in the encoding resulting in lower quality.
The NTSC version is (usually) encode at 24 fps (23.976) with 3:2 pulldown - this means that on playback every second extra frames are added by the DVD player to achieve 29.97 fps - this keeps the original speed/length as each second only 24 frames of the source are shown - the extra frames are just that - extra.
The 24 fps film master is (usually) just speeded up to 25 fps for the PAL version. That's 4%. Rarely noticable in films, but obvious in musicals etc where the pitch of the voice is more apparent.

metalorange said:

4% should not be noticable as a chipmunk effect! It's standard practice to go from 24 to 25 frames a second for all PAL euro releases....

now I used to have an Empire Strikes Back laserdisc that was 24 to 29.97 (must have been a mistake that went to the presses) and I instantly heard a slight chipmunk effect. And this was not a bootleg!

FuNkeNsteiN said:

have you tried reading or understanding Islandic!!!

Hello I'm new here
I am thinking about buying the dvd, so what do I ask for?

par said:

depends on where you live! ...

ufoclub said:

This 4% is very annoying, and very noticeable.
If you've listened to a lot of Prince (and I suppose you have), you immediately notice the "chipmunk effect": Prince doesn't use his Camille-voice live!
But the overall quality of this new dutch release is outstanding,
so this is the first time I'm enjoying the chipmunk version.

ThataintFunky said:

I want to hear this... I'll just speed up a recording by 4% and see....

DAFUNKYOU said:

http://www.amazon.ca/

ufoclub said:

Most fans adore the speeded-up voice songs, I would have thought that most would therefore think the 4% increase was an improvement! And fitting for the concert of an album where the most Camille tracks appear!

I'm in Australasia.

ufoclub said:

you don't need to ... Moonraker's Wonderboy does have the same speed as the dutch DVD!

par said:

Order the canadian version at amazon!
[Edited 10/20/06 23:17pm]