What does it mean when it says "but wait you already bought this set from a bootleger"
Abrazo i agree with you. Some people are never happy!

Shit--Im almost inclined to say not to releasse the celebration as cds because the bootleggers are going to put them out anyways...so Prince still puts out scheduled, official, etc releases...we get both this way. Plus his editing and produciton on them wont be what really happened probably. Hell I would have enjoyed him releasing is Eavesdropping In Initmate Moments piano rehearsal in pristine quality instead of ONA piano session if that were the case.

The speculation is killing me.


STOP THE MADNESS!

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[This message was edited Fri Aug 16 16:26:00 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes]

rdhull said:

Might be the reason why he's taking action against the bootleggers? I'm not trying to say this makes it likely that Prince will release the set, but if he would, it would make sense he's also trying to take the bootleggers out of business.

Abrazo said:

On the top of my head I can think of only one recording that really might be able to compete with an official release.

People who buy bootlegs tend to be collectors of some sort and I can't think of a more or less "serious" collector who would pass on an official release, no matter if they already have the recordings in some way or how bad the content is.

joeycoco said:

Yeah but my point is that if he did release the celebration discs, would that be an added bonus to the club, and would we still get Xenophobia and the other scheduled discs? If its something added then cool..but if he is going to use the celebration discs as part of the promised amounts of releases INSTEAD of the promised releases, then fuck it.Let the bootleggers release it and let him stick to the orignal plan. That way we get more music and more variety.

rdhull said:

Exactly what I was trying to say earlier on in the thread. See RD, sometimes we do agree.

joeycoco said:

Oh



I see 4 guys on horses coming down my street

rdhull said:[quote]joeycoco said:[quote]

rdhull said:

i would take a 7 disc set as fulfillment of my music club subscription in a heartbeat.there was some great shit played.go ahead and release it,sell the regular xenophobia album through npgmc retail,and get a new studio album out in the stores asap.oh,and a ONA tour dvd too,is that asking too much now?

bababooey said:[quote]rdhull said:[quote]

joeycoco said:

Since that makes perfectly good sense, yes that is asking too much

joeycoco said:

Ha! See Areo what did I say just yesterday

Ifsixwuz9 said:

But it's true. It's no big deal to me because I didn't attend the Celebration and didn't join the music club either, but like RD said, if that would mean this set will replace studio material folks were expecting I can understand they'd rather not see it released.

Again, I think this was posted to get a discussion going and/or to scare people. By no means people should see this as an announcement for a new set.

At this point I would prefer the 7 disc live Xenophobia set over some 6 track EP he wrote and recorded while sitting on the toilet.

Granted, the music wouldn't be new. But then again, his studio stuff hasn't been worth holding your breath over anyhow.

I just want year 2 of NPGMC to be over and done with so I can have the pleasure of not joining next year.

Lets remember that the message doesn't mean he IS gonna release this set. I haven't heard the bootleg of the show, but I'm wondering if it was professionally recorded and someone got a copy of it and bootlegged it. Or are the bootlegs amateur recordings?

The message on the site could possibly imply "I WAS gonna release this BUT someone already bootlegged it..."

If he does do this, you know damn well its not some extra perk to the members. Thats the remaining CDs for the year. He killed two birds with one stone.

Hows he supposed to be in the studio making 3 new albums when hes (possibly) preparing to tour Europe?

Tom said:

If ure talking about the remaining cd's he's supposed 2 give the members.. he already said in a soundcheck they are already finished...

jthad1129 said:

Well, I didn't buy it from a bootleger...I downloaded it for free from the alt.binaries.multimedia.prince newsgroup. It was 12 CDs though, not 7. And I'd still love to hear an official release from Prince. But he wouldn't have to give it to me for free or as part of the NPGMC membership. I'd still happily buy it from the club to get the better sound quality.

However, I'd hope it wasn't edited too much. And if I had already bought it froma bootlegger, I wouldn't feel bad. I've probably heard well over 300 past Prince concerts, and I would never been able to enjoy this live material if not for bootleggers. They may have made a few pennies off selling tapes and CDs, but they've given me the opportunity to enjoy Prince's genius as a live performer more than I ever could have otherwise.

I was just listening to "All The Critics Love U In New York" from Xenophobia earlier 2nite and I was thanking Prince for that incredibule funk. However, I was also thanking whoever recorded it, distributed it, and uploaded it to the newsgroup.

More stupid mind games and cryptic crap from the NPGMC

I say either say you are sending this set of CDs to us Prince or not, just don't bother with these stupid teasing, cryptic bullshit messages. We are all so tired of it

One last point from me. As others have already said in their posts, if it's only 7 CDs then there is obviously gonna be some major editing of the shows, leaving some songs out, etc. I for one hate the idea of this, either release every Xenophobia show complete or not at all!

Prince is not going 2 release a 7 CD box: he´ll change his mind 2morrow...

same thing happened 2:
- Crystal Ball 2;
- Roadhouse Garden;
- 7 CD sample experience.

instead he likes playing with our minds.

NPGMC-anticipation is a biaaatch!

BTW: oh LAWD lemme B wrong on this one!!!
[This message was edited Sat Aug 17 2:07:24 PDT 2002 by talk2thejay]

joeycoco said:

to own the official NPGMC release for free

jnoel said:

de toute manière z'êtes toujours à RALER..alors TANT Mieux qe BEN ait changé l'aspect de la page d'accueil du site
au moins on aura plus vos conneries en pleine poire quand on viendra pour lire des NOUVELLES

bye

Never satisfied, ANYWAY

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[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 3:08:33 PST 2003 by IstenSzek]

Read the question. He's merely wondering if you'd kick yourself in the pants after buying Xenophobia on bootleg (& likely paying through the nose) when the same set arrives at your doorstep courtesy NPGMC.

marilyn said:

Wasn't too long ago when many npgmc members on here were clamoring for that live 5-song EP of the ONA tour that prince sent to radio stations??..I seem to recall the mantra concerning that CD being "Prince should send that to us members instead of to radio stations!!"...5 songs out of, what, 35 performed, and everyone was beggin' Prince to send it to members...(as an extra, not as one of the 4 promised CDs)...sumthin tells me that if members DID get a 7 disc set of live performances from the Celebration(7 freakin' discs!!), the fact that he left off a few of the songs wouldn't weigh too heavily on anyone's mind for very long...

Me personally, I don't think there's any 7-discs of live performances being planned for shipment...nor do I think Prince was playin' with our minds...just the npgmc asking a rhetorical question, although a somewhat useless one...



..."Wasn't not"??...
[This message was edited Sat Aug 17 6:40:54 PDT 2002 by wellbeyond]

well, I agree with all those of you who believe that:

1. The message at npgmusicclub.com is simply a tricky way of saying that Prince doesn't like bootlegers.
2. The chances to see the 7-CD Xenophobia set are low at best.

also, I must say that for sure I will listen to the 12-CD bootleg Xenophobia set and for sure I will be more than happy if Prince releases (please, however, refer to point 2 above) the 7-CD set.

and does it matter that the 7-CD set might fulfill Year 2 of NPGMC? well, I still haven't received my ONA CD (I joined NPGMC in January) so for me the difference is forgettable anyway.

If he DID release a 7 disc set to members, lets at least be reasonable. 7 discs of live Prince music would be a blast, I'm not gonna complain if its not 12.

7 cds is alot of music to sink your teeth into.

Thankfully we've learned from previous incidents to realize this is all probabbly vaporware.

If NPGMC were smart (which, well, you know...), they'd send the club members the 7-CD live set as ONE of the four promised releases; this would set a new standard, it could stir a coup and get some media coverage, and it could attract new members wanting to get more bang for their bucks. If I were to check my mailbox and find a 7-CD set waiting for me, I'd probably re-think all the complaints I've had with NPGMC thus far, but I don't know that I'd renew my membership. HOWEVER, if I got that treasure in the mail and knew I still had two more releases to come by the end of the year, I might think I was part of an unpredictable ride (in a POSITIVE way, for once), and I might be willing to stay on for another year to see what kind of crazy offerings would come my way in the next year.

He could really raise the bar with this idea, or he could disappoint his fans yet again. Gee, I wonder which will happen?

What the fuck is a pissing contest. You are some kinky mother fucks.

*pooks Anxiety in agreement...

Okay, let's see, how would I feel if I received an official NPGMC multi-disc release of live material that I had already purchased a bootleg?

First, Prince surely realizes that the vast majority of Club members don't buy bootleg recordings (I've never even looked for them). In fairness, I have on occasion used file-sharing internet sites to obtain unreleased material, but generally the quality is poor. Besides, having these attenuated downloaded versions would NEVER discourage me from buying official releases of the same music from the NPGMC. I want the best recorded versions directly from the source.

But back to their question: if for some reason I had purchased a bootleg version of music that later became available from the NPGMC, then it seems I'd have two versions. One lousy set of boots, and another quality set from Prince himself. Guess which one I'd listen to.

It's obvious that bootleg recordings really bother Prince. In many ways, I understand that. However, some bands seem to embrace unauthorized recordings of their performances, accepting the idea that a small number of fans will trade or sell these recordings to other like-minded hardcore fans, and these bands seem to thrive in that environment.

The most savvy bands, like Dave Matthews Band (and others before them), recognize the upside to the distribution of recordings of their live performances, and have started to offer fans live webcasts and other live recordings. The message this sends to fans is far more positive than the current tone from the NPGMC, and it effectively minimizes the profits and markets for bootleggers.

Prince could easily lead the way and capture the market for his own live sound, offering Premium Club Members official soundboard recordings of his performances at the NPGMC retail section. He can still maintain a policy of prohibiting unauthorized recordings of his performances, but for those who find a way to break the rules, they'll find that their inferior product is worthless against the availability of the official recording from the NPGMC.

So if I were writing messages for the NPGMC, I'd have phrased the question this way:

I you had a choice of buying a multi-disc, bootleg recording of the recent Xenophobia peformances, or buying the official soundboard-derived multi-disc set directly from the NPGMC, which would you choose?

Now that's what I'd call a rhetorical question!

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Actually If NPG does release a 7 CD Set. Which is a big If? It would be alright because the sound quality would be better than the current bootleg set. The one out now is horrible and almost unlistenable, u can her people in the audience talk during slow songs and sing way off key during the fast ones, and the crowd banter ruin the vibe on almost all the tracks. Don't forget that many of the Purple Rain tracks were recorded live then edited and cleaned for crowd noise and vocal overdubs were added. So if the choice of a bootleg Xenophobia 12 cd set and a clean 7 cd set from NPG. I would choose NPG for the quality of it. It would override the bootleg product out now by 10X over... Most likely because the tracks are more enjoyable to the ear... I say go for it Prince and NPG and see what happens.

I hope this little comment isn't lost in the wake of the many other comments...

I'm not sure that this message is a verification of the possibility of a 7 CD box set. The tone of the message is condemnatory but not confirmatory. I'm sure NPGMC would sound far more excited about such a marvel!

Its main purpose perhaps is that if NPGMC were to release these CDs then many fans would be upset/annoyed because they already had the bootleg. It is a message to stop buying bootlegs, not a message to await 7 CDs.

(I might be wrong of course...)