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Reply #30 posted 09/26/06 3:30pm

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wlcm2thdwn said:

blackguitaristz said:

Uh,...the reason your thread has gotten the "Oh hell no" type of response is largely due to the "Aunt Jemima" mention, which has a slight overtone of racism. Not saying the racism is coming from u perse, being that u could be black for all I know. The connatation is a drag. If u had just said that u dug P in his do-rags, then it would have been an entirely different galaxy. Also, I heavily doubt that P is trying to evoke Aunt Jemima. The history of the do-rag is long and deep. Brothers (black men) were sportin' do -rags on the street since the 40's. THIS, more than likely, is what P is paying homage to. Morris actually wears one in the opening sequence in Purple Rain. It's been around forever. Out here in L.A., gangstas used to wear do-rags all the time. Tupac evoked this West Coast tradition for a period. I myself, usually will wear one when I go to bed to keep my hair from being totally fucked up when I raise in the morning. But I also have worn it on the street, usually under a hat. It looks cool if your hair is long and u know what the hell you're doing. P, of course can pull it off, mainly cuz P is seriously old school. Always have been. P is street and P is an o.g. He's always brought that sensibility to his fashion sense and his persona. U just have to know where he gets his shit from, that's all.

blackguitaristz, your explaination was beautiful and enlightening. I am a Black woman and I found this question highly offensive. Thank you!
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Reply #31 posted 09/26/06 3:53pm

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anon said:

sexxydancer said:

Prince looks good in everything-I don't like calling it Aunt Jemima,tho!

What's wrong with Aunt Jemima?

...and are do-rags really sexy?


Nothing is wrong with Aunt Jemima. Nor is there anything wrong in referencing her. SHe was and still is an icon for cooking. She had her place in advertising history. What should we do wipe her memory and any reference to her from the books? That'll solve so much!


Now calling someone Aunt Jemima...that's another thing.

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Reply #32 posted 09/26/06 3:58pm

Illustrator

One time,
I was listening to some Prince whilst eating my breakfast,
& I found myself slowly licking off the thick film of excess syrup off of Aunt Jemima's easy-to-open dispenser

...while Mrs. Butterworth watched!
eek








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Reply #33 posted 09/26/06 3:59pm

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anon said:


What's wrong with Aunt Jemima?

...and are do-rags really sexy?


Nothing is wrong with Aunt Jemima. Nor is there anything wrong in referencing her. SHe was and still is an icon for cooking. She had her place in advertising history. What should we do wipe her memory and any reference to her from the books? That'll solve so much!


Now calling someone Aunt Jemima...that's another thing.


I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. Yeah, she was apart of advertising history and if you knew your history you would know that Blacks were portrayed as deragatory cartoonish sometimes savage-like caricatures in many of these ads and television. That picture along Anon posted is very hurtful and for you to just brush off as nothing wrong because it was apart of history is sad sad sad. As blackguitarist schooled us above, Aunt Jemima has racial undertones.
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Reply #34 posted 09/26/06 4:29pm

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wlcm2thdwn said:

blackguitaristz said:

Uh,...the reason your thread has gotten the "Oh hell no" type of response is largely due to the "Aunt Jemima" mention, which has a slight overtone of racism. Not saying the racism is coming from u perse, being that u could be black for all I know. The connatation is a drag. If u had just said that u dug P in his do-rags, then it would have been an entirely different galaxy. Also, I heavily doubt that P is trying to evoke Aunt Jemima. The history of the do-rag is long and deep. Brothers (black men) were sportin' do -rags on the street since the 40's. THIS, more than likely, is what P is paying homage to. Morris actually wears one in the opening sequence in Purple Rain. It's been around forever. Out here in L.A., gangstas used to wear do-rags all the time. Tupac evoked this West Coast tradition for a period. I myself, usually will wear one when I go to bed to keep my hair from being totally fucked up when I raise in the morning. But I also have worn it on the street, usually under a hat. It looks cool if your hair is long and u know what the hell you're doing. P, of course can pull it off, mainly cuz P is seriously old school. Always have been. P is street and P is an o.g. He's always brought that sensibility to his fashion sense and his persona. U just have to know where he gets his shit from, that's all.

blackguitaristz, your explaination was beautiful and enlightening. I am a Black woman and I found this question highly offensive. Thank you!
[Edited 9/26/06 13:49pm]

excellent answer and reply. When I saw the title thread I was like eek
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Reply #35 posted 09/26/06 4:36pm

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wonder505 said:

superspaceboy said:



Nothing is wrong with Aunt Jemima. Nor is there anything wrong in referencing her. SHe was and still is an icon for cooking. She had her place in advertising history. What should we do wipe her memory and any reference to her from the books? That'll solve so much!


Now calling someone Aunt Jemima...that's another thing.


I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. Yeah, she was apart of advertising history and if you knew your history you would know that Blacks were portrayed as deragatory cartoonish sometimes savage-like caricatures in many of these ads and television. That picture along Anon posted is very hurtful and for you to just brush off as nothing wrong because it was apart of history is sad sad sad. As blackguitarist schooled us above, Aunt Jemima has racial undertones.


She has racial undertones, but to mention her or speak about her is not racist. I wasn't brushing her off.

Some folks around here way way too sensitive at the mere thinking of racisim.

Which is worse...Having an Aunt Jemima Do-rag or having a do-rag that looks like Aunt Jemima's? Or even subjectively... Having a Do-Rag that looks like Carmen Miranda's? I think when one looks at racism, intent should be a part of that equation, not ignorance (well maybe some, but it should not weigh heavily). I know I WILL be wrong according to all of you, but that's how I see it.

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Reply #36 posted 09/26/06 4:46pm

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nobody rocks the aunt jemima ...BUT prince! LOL smile

'Daddy Pop' - The Arsenio Hall Show (4th September, 1991)



This is not a do-rag. It is a scarf!
And who cares if it is Aunt Jemima-ish?!
I'm not Aunt Jemima.
I don't know anyone who is.
If you want to be mad at something, be mad at the fact that the woman's recipe was taken away from her and sold by someone else.
Women of the world unite!!
Fight the power.
As for Aunt Jemima getting that m'fu'in' perm ... well that was an outrage!!
Once again ... women of the world unite! Fight the power!! Overturn the bullshit.
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Reply #37 posted 09/26/06 4:46pm

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wonder505 said:



I'm sorry but you are dead wrong. Yeah, she was apart of advertising history and if you knew your history you would know that Blacks were portrayed as deragatory cartoonish sometimes savage-like caricatures in many of these ads and television. That picture along Anon posted is very hurtful and for you to just brush off as nothing wrong because it was apart of history is sad sad sad. As blackguitarist schooled us above, Aunt Jemima has racial undertones.


She has racial undertones, but to mention her or speak about her is not racist. I wasn't brushing her off.

Some folks around here way way too sensitive at the mere thinking of racisim.

Which is worse...Having an Aunt Jemima Do-rag or having a do-rag that looks like Aunt Jemima's? Or even subjectively... Having a Do-Rag that looks like Carmen Miranda's? I think when one looks at racism, intent should be a part of that equation, not ignorance (well maybe some, but it should not weigh heavily). I know I WILL be wrong according to all of you, but that's how I see it.


It's not about being sensitive. At least we got to learn about the history of the do-rag so I ain't mad at that. I see your point, now, however in your previous post it seemed like you were kind of brushing off the negative undertone just because she's apart of history. That's what I was more responding to.
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Reply #38 posted 09/26/06 4:47pm

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His do-rag Aunt Jemima style, pure sexiness smile! I loooove when he wears these. Now I need to know what are they exactly: handkerchiefs, headbands, scarf, old pieces of cloth or what?? Where do you get them? Are they special "Prince Gear" that only he has made specially for him? Tailored to fit his little head and high pompadour? Can someone posts some pics of Prince and his head pieces and hair accessories? I wanna get me one, I would totally rock the shit out of it. We should all try to copy that style and post pictures of us rocking that Aunt Jemima shit!


DaVanity ...
It's gon' be alright.
Just say no to the rags on your head.
Somebody should have told Prince that.
if he had called me, I would have told him.
but I think he must have lost my phone number.
I haven't heard from him in ages!!
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Reply #39 posted 09/26/06 4:49pm

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JadaKaye said:

DaVanity said:

His do-rag Aunt Jemima style, pure sexiness smile! I loooove when he wears these. Now I need to know what are they exactly: handkerchiefs, headbands, scarf, old pieces of cloth or what?? Where do you get them? Are they special "Prince Gear" that only he has made specially for him? Tailored to fit his little head and high pompadour? Can someone posts some pics of Prince and his head pieces and hair accessories? I wanna get me one, I would totally rock the shit out of it. We should all try to copy that style and post pictures of us rocking that Aunt Jemima shit!


DaVanity ...
It's gon' be alright.
Just say no to the rags on your head.
Somebody should have told Prince that.
if he had called me, I would have told him.
but I think he must have lost my phone number.
I haven't heard from him in ages!!


Like he would listen. lol
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Reply #40 posted 09/26/06 4:53pm

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wonder505 said:

superspaceboy said:



She has racial undertones, but to mention her or speak about her is not racist. I wasn't brushing her off.

Some folks around here way way too sensitive at the mere thinking of racisim.

Which is worse...Having an Aunt Jemima Do-rag or having a do-rag that looks like Aunt Jemima's? Or even subjectively... Having a Do-Rag that looks like Carmen Miranda's? I think when one looks at racism, intent should be a part of that equation, not ignorance (well maybe some, but it should not weigh heavily). I know I WILL be wrong according to all of you, but that's how I see it.


It's not about being sensitive. At least we got to learn about the history of the do-rag so I ain't mad at that. I see your point, now, however in your previous post you seemed to indicate that because she's apart of history therefore there's nothing wrong end of story, but we all know about history...


That's because the first post was half/baked...like most everyone around here wink And there is never an "end of story" with racism, cause it's never going to end.

I just think that some here are a little ignorant and don't think when they post something they believe is inoccuous, when to many it's not...at least not on this board which has it's fair amount of racism issues, I suppose. But I tend to think that the issues the org has is insensitivity to sesitive issues and not necessarily racism itself.

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Reply #41 posted 09/26/06 5:13pm

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wonder505 said:

...That picture along Anon posted is very hurtful...
Hurtful?! Sure, different things hurt different people but you will have to explain that one.
If you want a little info on that hurtful painting, look it up. It's by Jon Onye Lockard & titled "No More!"
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Reply #42 posted 09/26/06 5:26pm

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superspaceboy said:


Nothing is wrong with Aunt Jemima. Nor is there anything wrong in referencing her. SHe was and still is an icon for cooking. She had her place in advertising history. What should we do wipe her memory and any reference to her from the books? That'll solve so much!


Now calling someone Aunt Jemima...that's another thing.
That's true it would be wrong to remove her ( Nancy Green ) from history but many are torn when it comes to her. Almost the way they are with Hattie McDaniel playing Mammy in Gone With the Wind. But that's probably another thread.
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Reply #43 posted 09/26/06 5:38pm

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Uh,...the reason your thread has gotten the "Oh hell no" type of response is largely due to the "Aunt Jemima" mention, which has a slight overtone of racism. Not saying the racism is coming from u perse, being that u could be black for all I know. The connatation is a drag. If u had just said that u dug P in his do-rags, then it would have been an entirely different galaxy. Also, I heavily doubt that P is trying to evoke Aunt Jemima. The history of the do-rag is long and deep. Brothers (black men) were sportin' do -rags on the street since the 40's. THIS, more than likely, is what P is paying homage to. Morris actually wears one in the opening sequence in Purple Rain. It's been around forever. Out here in L.A., gangstas used to wear do-rags all the time. Tupac evoked this West Coast tradition for a period. I myself, usually will wear one when I go to bed to keep my hair from being totally fucked up when I raise in the morning. But I also have worn it on the street, usually under a hat. It looks cool if your hair is long and u know what the hell you're doing. P, of course can pull it off, mainly cuz P is seriously old school. Always have been. P is street and P is an o.g. He's always brought that sensibility to his fashion sense and his persona. U just have to know where he gets his shit from, that's all.


That's true, it's something a lot of Black Men wore mainly around the 40s to 60s;a lot of Black male entertainers wore it too;many Black Men still wear it today, part of a fashion culture, nothing to do with Aunt Jemima or some servant woman.
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Reply #44 posted 09/26/06 7:14pm

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anon said:

wonder505 said:

...That picture along Anon posted is very hurtful...
Hurtful?! Sure, different things hurt different people but you will have to explain that one.
If you want a little info on that hurtful painting, look it up. It's by Jon Onye Lockard & titled "No More!"


If you are familiar with Lockard you would understand why he used the Aunt Jemima image in that way to underscore the message in the painting.
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Reply #45 posted 09/26/06 7:41pm

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wonder505 said:

anon said:

Hurtful?! Sure, different things hurt different people but you will have to explain that one.
If you want a little info on that hurtful painting, look it up. It's by Jon Onye Lockard & titled "No More!"


If you are familiar with Lockard you would understand why he used the Aunt Jemima image in that way to underscore the message in the painting.
Yes, it seems pretty clear. One look at the piece (familiar or not) and I'm sure everyone get's the message. Still not sure why you find my posting it hurtful but it's o.k., this is a do rag thread.

speaking of which...
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Reply #46 posted 09/26/06 7:47pm

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If you will, so will I
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Reply #47 posted 09/26/06 9:00pm

xplnyrslf

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One time,
I was listening to some Prince whilst eating my breakfast,
& I found myself slowly licking off the thick film of excess syrup off of Aunt Jemima's easy-to-open dispenser

...while Mrs. Butterworth watched!
eek








redface

Yup. Can see you doing that.
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Reply #48 posted 09/26/06 9:07pm

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anon said:


What's wrong with Aunt Jemima?


I'm sorry but...

falloff
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Reply #49 posted 09/26/06 9:09pm

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I think the website should in the Home section make a long list of sensitive topics that can't be discussed. Starting with corn syrup. Followed by the Irish potatoe famine and resulting deaths, which the Brits were responsible for, the Romans taking over the uncivilized world, how the French could actually be speaking German no thanks to us...why the Mafia tend to be Italian.
There's no "bad intent" with this forum question. The individual is seeking information and suggesting it's an insult is ridiculous.
[Edited 9/26/06 21:14pm]
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Reply #50 posted 09/26/06 10:11pm

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confused ugh
besides the flat out BS on here...I learned something interesting about the do-rag's history in black history...and people still wear them 2day,history is amazing...thats cool cool
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Reply #51 posted 09/27/06 5:18am

Rhondab

i'm amazed that this thread has legs....
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Reply #52 posted 09/27/06 6:15am

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FruitToAttractBears said:

anon said:


What's wrong with Aunt Jemima?


I'm sorry but...

falloff



Aunt Jemima looks pretty mad in that pic. Now I haven't seen the real Aunt Jemima package so I can't tell really if she is mad or not.
But if I was Aunt Jemima, I think I would be mad as hell.
I mean think of it: You are destined to always be associated with pancakes.
GOSH!
For some more of that, have a look at:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...r79Y6grQI4
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Reply #53 posted 09/27/06 7:07am

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JadaKaye said:

Shorty said:

nobody rocks the aunt jemima ...BUT prince! LOL smile

'Daddy Pop' - The Arsenio Hall Show (4th September, 1991)



This is not a do-rag. It is a scarf!
And who cares if it is Aunt Jemima-ish?!
I'm not Aunt Jemima.
I don't know anyone who is.
If you want to be mad at something, be mad at the fact that the woman's recipe was taken away from her and sold by someone else.
Women of the world unite!!
Fight the power.
As for Aunt Jemima getting that m'fu'in' perm ... well that was an outrage!!
Once again ... women of the world unite! Fight the power!! Overturn the bullshit.


ohhh OK oh do-rag/scarf expert. confused
the original poster was not complaining that it is/was aunt jemima-ish.
perhaps you quoted my post because of the pic I put up but...I'm thinking you're not speaking to me..?? I ain't mad at nuttin...but I see others are.
as for the marketing change for the beloved aunt jemima...it's marketing..they updated Brawney's look too. They do it for almost everything.
OK, so that pic posted of aunt jemima is a terrible one and one I've never seen before. The aunt jemima I recall always appeared to be a lovely woman. neutral

I appologise if I offended anyone...I most certainly did not intend to.
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #54 posted 09/27/06 9:07am

Rhondab

I personally think the original post is just silly period. From the Aunt jemima weirdness to stating all of us should wear a do-rag.



but anyway.....confused
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Reply #55 posted 09/27/06 9:22am

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Scandalous69 said:

FruitToAttractBears said:



I'm sorry but...

falloff


I mean think of it: You are destined to always be associated with pancakes.


woot! That would be awesome!

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Reply #56 posted 09/27/06 11:25am

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"It's not the Aunt Jemima. It's the Uncle Richard. Wooooo."

‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #57 posted 09/27/06 11:42am

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carlcranshaw said:

"It's not the Aunt Jemima. It's the Uncle Richard. Wooooo."


falloff
oh my lord!
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #58 posted 09/27/06 11:57am

ThreadBare

My goodness. This thread is just...

spit
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Reply #59 posted 09/27/06 12:02pm

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Shorty said:

OK, so that pic posted of aunt jemima is a terrible one and one I've never seen before. The aunt jemima I recall always appeared to be a lovely woman. ...


This is Nancy Green, as Aunt Jemima.

This is the updated version:


The other image is this guy's rendition.

If anyone is offended by that image (especially over any of the above images), it says so much more about them, than anything else.
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