dseann said:

Oh man, I wish.

I don't know if I even do that sort of stuff any more. I am kinda digging my clarity.

Honestly I don't understand if you meant that statement to mean I was wrong or that my wording seems as though I was high.



at any rate, funny stuff.

MickG said:

It's my way of saying WTF?
I don't agree with you but you are cracking me up here.

MickG said:

I think it was when you said that you understand Princes talent better than he (Prince) does.

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[Edited 9/21/06 16:07pm]

dseann said:

Good! isn't that the Point? It's why I am here. Have some fun and spiritual bitchslap Prince around.

He's not use to it, and he really needs it.

LleeLlee said:

That too.

dseann said:

Well, I meant that. Many people, including Prince, are given "gifts" talents/skills, and they don't know why.

One of my gifts is I have no questions unanswered.

LleeLlee said:

When he put out "When Doves Cry" (I think we all agree that this was a hit) maybe what the public wanted just happened to be in line with what made him happy. Times have changed and musical tastes have changed as a whole I believe (especially the younger generation). The younger generation probably buys more CDs than any other population segment. Therefore, they drive what songs are successful on the charts. In the 80s the younger generation was totally digging his synth/pop sound. That's what they wanted and they bought it (meaning they bought the records). Now, the younger generation is into a bunch of crappy rap music, pop stars that only sound good in the studio and also stars that rely on the creative talent of other people instead of themselves to sell records. As we all know Prince isn't all that jive. At this point in time he would IMHO have to change his creative way of thinking in order to sell enough records to have a hit. Whew! After that mouthful, I need a

Prince is such a liar and he can't accept it.

Prince said:

In this way he's stating that the music he makes is for himself. Is that really true?

I make music for myself too. However, if one was to truly make music for themself, why does the music need be made at all? Does he fear he will lose the music within himself? That's just silly.

Thus, Prince doesn't exteranalize expressly music for himself. He does this for others. Though don't tell prince that, because he'd rather live in his world of lies to himself.

Oh-Brother, the boy has issues.

wonder505 said:

I think because rock stars are egomaniacs

madonna is in control of her career.. unlike 6 billion other people.

Hotstuff said:

Does this control involve good music? The last CD I got was Ray of Light.

wonder505 said:

exactly. half of the world, all of the modern world would get RAy of Light. no one has the time to be as delicate as prince. and he doesn't pimp out. she does.

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Paisley4u said:

Madonna is into having hits, but why not? I dont think its because she needs the money. She could easily retire and live very comfortably for the rest of her life. so why does she do it? I know youre going to say its an ego thing, lol. I like the Ray of Light album too. Like a Prayer is great record but thats like saying why cant Prince do another When Doves Cry? I would love to hear a Prince/Bjork collaboration.

2 be honest;I'm really curious how the collaboration with an other producer would sound like!!Maybe,in a few years Rick Rubin or some other producer can do the same they did with Johnny Cash or Neil Diamond?
I'm not saying Prince needs a producer,just maybe such a producer could bring out the best in him.

U are right about the Like a prayer-When Doves Cry comparison!

Madonna is not a creative artist. She is a showpeice and a performer, a very good one at that too. But she has song writers, producers, huge PR gurus, a slick manager and the backing of her record company who will put everything they can into promoting her because they know that she is their biggest profit margin for the next financial year. She puts on a show and has creative control over that show. But apart from deciding which songs she likes and doesnt like for her albums, all she does is show up to sing on them.

Prince on the other hand is a creative artist. He creates the music that he is feeling at any particular time. He has whole concepts in his head and puts them together from start to finish (and many unfinished and discarded). He gave up on managers, PR gurus and no longer has no-holds-barred backing from large record companies. he has written, produced and performed pretty much everything he has ever done and put together his shows himself.

Whereas Madonna soaks up media attention and uses it very cleverly in conjunction with her PR gurus and record company, Prince is by and large media shy and comes accross as a bit odd and living in his own world. Madonna gets her writers and producers to aim for the mainstream without holding back. She wants songs that are hits. Prince has very rarely aimed for the mainstream. When he has hit success it just so happened the mainstream was on the same wavelength. When his music started to deviate from the mainstream his sales began to drop but Prince never let that get in the way of the direction he was taking... Until the mid 90's that is. He tried a few attempts at mainstream success but without the PR gurus, unlimited backing from a major record label and good management it was never going to work. His music also suffers when he is forcing it in a direction of popularity when he quite clearly doesnt really want to be doing that.

I dont think Princes music would have been much different from 1979 through to 1994 had Purple Rain flopped and he was still a relatively unkown artist. I reckon we would have pretty much the same albums as we do now. Certainly the same sounding kind of albums. Madonna on the other hand has no direction. She just does something that sounds current. Her direction is dictated by the direction of teh mainstream, Princes direction is determined by himself.... Well, until the mid 90's that is. After the WB split Prince seemed to jump his own ship and do what Madonna does. He started trying to sound current and went after success to prove to WB and the world that he could be just as successful without them. Unlike Madonna though, he was neither very comfortable creatively doing it and he never had the financial clout and PR gurus that Madonna has surrounded herself with. I do believe that if Prince never had the WB feud or he never even became successful then his music would have evolved a lot more naturally right up until today. It would be interesting to see where he went after TGE had the whole WB battle never happened.

Princes music is now all over the place creatively. Theres no evolution in it... Maybe he has done with evolving and now he is just mastering his gift. At least his albums are starting to sound a little more concise again and not trying to be all things to all men. TRC began a new era with Prince after losing himself for a few years in the 90's. I dont think he is chasing success but at the same time I dont think he is obsessivly driven by the music anymore. Now he justs wants to enjoy it and master it. Madonna is still very much driven by success, Prince just doesnt seem interested.

I watched an interview with an old jazz pianist the other night (cant remember his name) and he said that he just cant sit at home and play anymore. He has to have an audience. Thats the only thing that motivates him now. Live, in front of an audience as he feels he has gone as far as he can creatively and now the only buzz he gets is from playing live... I wonder if Prince is getting towards that point where the studio is not what does it for him any more... Its all on the stage.

Rebeljuice said:

Then why cheat the system to get a US hit album (Musicology)?

If Prince wasn't bothered about success we'd be getting more TRC's and fewer 3121's.

LleeLlee said:

Madonna typically hires the producer of the moment and she plays the game quite well. Prince creates and plays his own game.

I think Prince is slowly easing out of the business. I hope he's not sick but I do think he's getting tired.

MickG said:

Great. And you criticise ME for suggesting he's responsible for his sucky marriages????
[Edited 9/22/06 21:43pm]

LleeLlee said:

Madonna is a well oiled machine. Despite her being in charge, she's more of a "team player" understanding and knowing you need consistant quality people around you to function. Does Prince have a public relations rep?? Larry Graham. Prince disposes of anyone when he feels like it. The result is the music gets sidetracked, the career is a lot disorganized. To be sure, he's a much better artist than Madonna. Unfortunately he doesn't have her finesse with music as a business.(or a corporation..I know I'll piss alot of you off with this thought. If you employ upteen #'s of people, have music rights, trademark on the name,studio etc, etc. that's pretty much what it is)
You don't hear rumors of Madonna "possibly having a concert" or Madonna "opening a club or being in Vegas.".... She simply has a schedule and sticks with it. Her fan base is a hell of alot LESS confused than Prince's fan base.
Which draws everyone here to resort to gossip. Blame Prince.
[Edited 9/22/06 22:00pm]

MickG said:

Your life must resemble Eutopia.

LleeLlee said:

Hey Ya is one of the biggest pop classics of this decade atleast imo. Thing is, a song can be creative and catchy at the same time. Prince had alot of catchy stuff in the 80s, and they were creative too. It's all about the hook these days. You gotta have that hook. Something people will sing when they're walking down the streets, being in the shower... something people would want to pick when singing karaoke. Radio friendly music. Prince did make pretty radio friendly music both in Musicology and 3121. It was just lacking major hits. And he's not following any trends either. If you want to make one huge hit, it either has to follow some kind of popular trend, or it has to be something really fresh and catchy at the same time.

xplnyrslf said:

Ummm no.

dseann said:

More like Eutopia waiting in the wings..

MickG said:

kool

LleeLlee said:

Prince is not on the same ticket as Madonna. Not everyone who loves Prince can tolerate Madonna and vis versa. He doesn't HAVE to market the same way (AND, having said this, I want him to go on tour ASAP). She is amazing at inventing and re-inventing herself. But, he just isn't aggresive in the same manner. Maybe his career agenda is ENITRELY different than the mainstream. I DO NOT feel mainstream. I would ventrue to say that most Prince fans aren't enitrely mainstream-just a little off-center, in a GOOD way. A beautful way.