i read somewhere in another post, this word was used to describe him. i'd never thought of him like that before.. found it interesting.

is he a martyr in terms of his career in music?
in what other ways is he a martyr?

(hope i spelled it right)

If U use the term lightly, perhaps.
Not in terms of dying obviously, but pain and suffering maybe...altho that'd b self inflicted and I'd b more inclined 2 call that masochistic.

No. Revolutionary? Yes.

Revolutionary... interesting..considering a revolution means coming full circle...

christos7 said:

BINGO

Graycap23 said:

A perfect circle...Where does it start, and where does it END?

christos7 said:

The question of the day.

Graycap23 said:

(1982-1986).....(2007- ? )

What's the context? What "other post" are you referring to?

sacredwarrior said:

no God he is a happy person (I hope)

christos7 said:

that's one definition

No never was never was suposed to be and never will be.

Prince just has the complex of one.

raveon2tnek said:

do we really know who has died in the past as a martyr for their inner convictions? i don't know if these folks would like the term martyr...maybe just standing up for what they believe(d).

i believe i used the term martyr and was using it politically

prince killed himself - as he says in caos and disorder and something else prince esta muerta....(sp?) also as far as his dealings with distribution and so on.. he was blacklisted as a troublemaker.. his interent savvy as far as selling his material was interesting and a long road....but prevailant to a degree.. however he at this time will agree having that kind of clout on ur side is better.

ScarLett said:

In a political sense, I would say yes and no. Yes in the sense that there has been some very REAL consequences 4 Prince's behavior with WB and other record companies. No in the sense that Prince is in CONTROL of his own career and does NOT allow record companies 2 do what ever they want. The sword has cut in both directions but Prince does NOT make moves WITHOUT thinking about the potential outcomes before hand.

Graycap23 said:

i kinna agree on the control issue, but with that comes the issue that he wanted to saturate the listener with gross amounts of music and WB just wanted the people to want more - so in a sense he did have to make a decision as to what the avid and average listener would want to hear on his albums as they would never HEAR everything that was produced.
and we need not speak of princes' business decisions... good gawd...

ScarLett said:

Lol.....I hear that. In the end, it's HIS journey.

I don't think so.

ScarLett said:

Prince está muerto. (Prince is dead.) in TGE.

dammme said:

does he know ?

I'm sure Prince has sacrificed many things in terms of his career/political statements.
Still don't make him a 'martyr'.

ok i looked up the definition of the word martyr, there's a few of them including this one..

martyr n 1: one who suffers for the sake of principle

http://www.bennetyee.org/...thod=exact


that makes things interesting... which principles r worth suffering for? im wondering... musical ones sure...religious ones maybe...

mayb the question is, which principles ARE NOT worth suffering for?

ScarLett said:

boy I've missed you posting here! stick around would ya?

Shorty said:

i love u too pookie!!
i see people are still wannabe literalists here... how assuming!

No he's not.

No, I don't think he is a martyr. I think that he stood his ground and did what he wanted to do and played by his own rules. He paved the path for other musicians to have more control over their music and such. But, I don't think he really suffered for it. The press wrote lots of articles about his "weirdness" and about him being "difficult" to work with. I think they just kind of assumed that that hurt him. One could say his record sales slumped compared to his Purple Rain heyday, but I think that the media's portrayal of him having been hurt or compromised by this is just that--their portrayal. Ultimately I don't think Prince really cared to please the music industry execs. How does that old Frank Sinatra tune go, "I did it myyyyy wayyyyy"!

hokie1 said:

That's all fine, but would U associate the word 'slave' with pain and suffering?

christos7 said:

I think that when Prince scrawled "Slave" on his face it meant that he was bound by his record company in a way that he didn't like. But, remember that he found a way around it by changing his name to . Then he was still able to put out music to his liking, his way, and on his terms. I personally think that was a brilliant move!