joeycoco said:

not as bad as dragonique did. haha

Sheep make me laugh.

Sheep == Those that feel the need to attack other's opinions about Prince's career long fucked business practices before reading them.

how very, very sad. the whole lot.

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 2 5:43:28 PDT 2002 by suomynona]

Prince never called you a bootlegger. he said you had bootlegged music available on your site and that he wanted it removed. He never actually called you or your site anything. just wanted HIS music removed of the ISPs servers. big whoopty doo! skip the martyr trip please.

this situation is a little like some people i know who obtain satellite tv illegaly.enjoy it while it last but when the ax falls don`t get pissed.

Suomynona I agree with your point and your position on the issue 100%. I have felt that Prince has been very lacking towards his fans since he was released from his WB contract. The man should know that he CANNOT beat the bootleggers (not that I am branding you as one Suomynona). The best way to hurt them is to beat them at their own game. Of course I would pay $100.00 bucks for a copy of a 6 CD celebration 2002 set. FUCKING DUH!!! (I would pay $100.00 bucks just for the acoustic set he did on night 5). It would surpass the CHEAP ONA CD that we got a few months ago. I think that most fans (and those brainwashed fams too) would pay $100.00 bucks for a CD set that you described. I myself have nearly 75 different bootleg CD`s spanning Prince`s career. Everything from studio outtakes, to concerts, to aftershows, to set rehearsals. My point is that I would rather pay the money direct to Prince to get these CD`s than to the bootleggers. Too me it seems like a no brainer. Hell I wish that Prince would bring back the NPGMC Ahdio portion of the NPGMC. He could add 3-5 unreleased boots a month to the download section and I would be happy. Everyone reading this posts knows that Im right. How many of you wouldn`t cream in your panties for a crystal clear digital studio copy of Moonbeam Levels, or a studio version of Purple Rain, or maybe even something that none of us have ever heard before? I have only been downloading songs from your site for a few days now Suomynona and I wanted to let you know that from a fan/collector of Prince music I would like to say thank you and keep up the great work!!! Maybe Prince and all the dickheads at NPGMC might learn a very important lesson from you. And that is that the artist (IE Prince) isn`t always right. Keep up the fight bro!!!

What is the reason why Prince doesn't sell these
recordings himself? He allowed everyone to listen
to them at the celebration.
He could sell each cd for like 5 dollars.

skip,user error
[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 10:15:17 PDT 2002 by theC]

First of all, let me say that as a fan, I really feel the pain of all the other fans who feel the need to "protest" against Prince and/or the NPGMC in general. I for one, really would like for Prince to make more of his music available - especially the live music. But at the same time, I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion of those who think that Prince's music is "there's for the taking" and that they can "do whatever they want with Prince's music". The problem that some people don't seem to realize is that Prince's music is his property. Therefore, you cannot simply do whatever you want with his property without running the risk of dealing with the consequences of that action.

I've read where someone is saying "oh, but I'm not selling the music, I'm just 'sharing' the music". But again, the problem with that whole argument is that the music in question is someone else's property.

Look at it this way. Just because I give you a ride in my car, that does not give you the right to come back the next day and take my car without my permission. The argument being thrown around here is "well... I didn't try to sell the car, I just took the car and gave a few of my friends a ride"
See how ridiculous that sounds? What kind of nonsense is that? The point is that the car is not your property to begin with, therefore you cannot simply take it and share it with whomever you wish even if you're not trying to sell it. The same holds true for music. IT IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY! It is copyrighted material that belongs to someone else. The fact that you or anyone may or may not be in the business of selling (i.e. bootlegging or pirating) is irrelevant.

So all I have to say is protest all you want. But when they come lock you up, you can protest all you want from inside the jail cell too.
[This message was edited Wed Aug 14 23:03:13 PDT 2002 by abucah]

Bottom line: every single one of the people who come to this site want Prince to put out live stuff on CD.

Prince, we love ya really we do but I only have two very relevant words for you right now.

PEARL JAM

abucah said:

Total agreement - I SO wish P would loosen up w/ the live & vaulted music. I wonder if he realizes how much bliss that would bring us? I wonder if he cares?



Again, total agreement.



Matthew, your response (despite its acidic tone, lol) makes so much sense. It would be SMARTER for Prince to take the initiative & just make the stuff we want available. It truly frustrates us all - why deprive the (obviously) dedicated admirers who've stuck w/ you for 20+ years???

BUT the music is his. If he wants to be stubborn, stand by & watch others profit from it -- as we shake our heads, long to put our collective feet in his lovely ass & check the Sabotage stock list -- then that's (unfortunately) what's going down.

I just wish I'd been visiting your site all this time (since I didn't get to go to the celebration & would LOVE to hear that stuff), I thought you only had Me'Shell joints...

marilyn said:

marilyn, some people might think that's an unreleased Prince track!

PEARL JAM? Relevant? Three words that shouldn't be included within the same sentence: "pearl", "jam" and "relevant".

In the words of Trent Reznor: "I fucking hate Pearl Jam."

I think M. explains it pretty well.

I spent $400 on Prince through the NPGMC in 2002. I got one disc out of the club so far, and I attended one ONA concert (and paid for my bf's ticket). There were two or three dowloads, one of which had been released already through the hadio shows (or was it an individual mp3?).

Last year, I spent only 100 $ through the NPGMC, and got a bunch of downloads that kept me interested each month.

The two NPGMC years are like night and day, I don't feel any need to visit the "club"... WHY IS THAT GOOD BUSINESS, PRINCE? Don't you want people to have a reason to visit your site or send their friends to it? You give NONE. You don't even have decent teasers. Instead, you force your die-hard fans to fork over hundreds of dollars for the priviledge of listening to your music. Other than that, they have the option of accessing free downloads from a bunch of sites or give some money to a bootlegger.

In other words, you are making it difficult for people who are not absolutely fiendish about your music to access your work and get a taste. How are you ever going to increase membership with that strategy? Quality?.. yeah, you're good and I saw how hard you work as a performer, and thank you very much for that, but you are slowly backing yourself up into a corner by being so tight with your music and asking for hundreds of dollars just to hear a peep.

The worst part is that you're WASTING YOUR TIME. You, Sir, do not have the time and money to put a stop to audience recordings and their distribution. M.'s downloads were mere teasers compared to what could have been released. M. was doing what YOU should be doing -- putting up downloads so that the many people who cannot attend a celebration at least have a taste of it and can share with the ones that could attend or who have no immediate reason to pay 100 $ to join your club.

Putting up those downloads yourself would not cut into any of your revenues. Quite the contrary, it would give an incentive to join the club or attend the celebration next year, but it seems you are content to do the most short-sighted of "analysis". Hey, Bruce Springsteen allowed people to listen to his whole new album for free and it doesn't look like it hurt him too bad on his way to the top of the charts (and I'm mentionning the charts only because it means people are spending for that music even though they could easily get it for free).

Nearly everyone agrees you are a musical genius, but as far as getting your music heard goes, you suck big time... Sorry about the bluntness, but it's true.

dragonique said:

Matthew isn't getting paid to put the tracks up. Nor, is he charging people to download them. He gains nothing monetarily. So, what royalties would Prince be collecting from him?

That being said, if P were to put up the same tracks on the NPGMC website for club members non club meembers would bitch. And, everybody would want the stuff on CD. They would then upload all the tracks to WixMX, Audiogalaxy, or the binaries newsgoup, for non members to get. And then club members would bitch.

It's a no win situation

Aerogram said:

Heh, there's the rub Areo. Those live tracks might make up one of the CDs being sent to club members. Or, possiby have something to do with that "coming to a monitor near you" message from a couple weeks ago.

How many people are going to cry foul IF either of those things happen?



[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 6:23:20 PDT 2002 by Ifsixwuz9]

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Precisely... What's wrong with giving a taste of what's to come? Prince has a whole lot of live material available. There's no exucse for being so tight with his music. He could at least have made some these tracks available for members, I don't see what the problem would be -- like did you have a fit when you found out The Work (made available on Napster) was part of TRC? Big deal... No excuse.
[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 6:26:00 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]
[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 6:28:24 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

excellent excellent excellent!! I could not have responded better myself. I am going to copy and paste that response to npgmc and hope everyone else does the same.

preach on matthew

This is so ... Lawd Phaleaseee ...
Look I know that I about lived on Napster downloading everything because I was too lazy to convert things so I would have then in the pc and not have to search for disks I have !
Also just because I download somethin don't mean I'm a burnit and not buy the disk ...
More often than not if the music is made available for sale I will buy things I got first on mp3 and listened to a bit !
Errrrr I have such a from this silliness!
Ok back ! Now basicly if anything Npgmc should be thanking people like Mat for sharing the music and wetting out appitites and beat the boot leggers to the punch and offfer us the full set in better quality LOL ...
Shit I know I'd buy an official release if it werent priced sky high ! (hint)
[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 6:45:49 PDT 2002 by Zandi]

Aerogram said:[quote]Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote]

Aerogram said:

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I was just noting that people will not be satisfied.


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[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 7:03:20 PDT 2002 by Ifsixwuz9]

rock on, matthew.

Oh great another protester

Nat Turner Nat Turner

suomynona said:

I have decided that suomynona is my new hero.

That was just a briliant reply to the NPGMC my new friend.

suomynona said:

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First of all asshole's I got you fucking point!!
I just do not agree with what you are doing. You should take the songs down out of respect for the artist who created the music but your an asshole so you will just keep doing this shit and bitching about it. Your a pathetic no talent jock rider!!!

By the way I am not a sheep. I do not belong to the music club. I do not speak Princebonics. I do not travel around the globe going to concerts. I think Prince is a musical genius who unfortunatly has a lot of ungrateful nut bag fans.

Is Prince perfect!!! Hell no !!! Are you perfect asswipe
Hell no. It is his decision to put out whatever music he wants to put out not yours. Get a grip on reality!!!

laurarichardson said:

Laura do you own any boots or have you ever downloaded any songs from Napster/Audio Galaxy/WinMx? If you do own any bootlegs or have downloaded ANY music (Not just Prince music, but any music) you are a hypocrite.

Matthew isn't getting paid to put the tracks up. Nor, is he charging people to download them. He gains nothing monetarily. So, what royalties would Prince be collecting from him?


But I think Princes beef is where did Matthew get the tracks, did he pay someone to get them?
Bottomline: someone is getting paid, sure isn't Prince. At the same time like someone said, stop trying to put out the fires (bootleggers) and start your own damn fire...just put out the jams..especially when Princes copies are clear and crisp...He is sitting on a gold mine!!!
MS
[This message was edited Thu Aug 15 21:06:13 PDT 2002 by MilkSode]

MilkSode said:

theC
Not anymore,most of earlier tracks in the vault are out in very good quality.And almost evry time period of concerts has a least one in very good quality.As time moves on the power of the songs weaken(as society changes).If he released purple rain as a brand new album today,WOULD IT BE A HIT???Would it sell millions of copies even with promotion??(he didn't need it back in the day).

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 2 5:41:41 PDT 2002 by suomynona]

theC said:

I agree with you there but I was talking about the recent celebration. I have heard the acoustic set from park this summer and sound is ok but nothing like if he would put it out.

I completely agree. I'll be the first in line to support Prince (buy from him directly) when he does this, until then, this is how I'll support him...[/quote]

I totally agree, what are we (the fans) suppose to do. Here I am with a buddy who says.."hay you want a copy of that acoustic set out at the park this summer"...hhummm, what am I suppose to say "No, I think I will wait until Prince puts it out" Yeah right. I want to support Prince, I want to buy his releases but shit if I can hear some jams that he isn't going to put out anyways why not.

I understand why Prince is mad at the bootleggers but what are we fans suppose to do when all we want to do is to listen to the band